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Originally posted by: Yield
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: SlowSS
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN


Isn't Cobra sold as a separate car from the Mustang? As in its not a trim or performance package like the SS, but a separate car in its own right?

Anyway, I think Jellomancer was comparing the Mustang GT's V8 to the Nissan's VQ V6 in the 350Z or FX35 or G35 coupe. 280hp and 270+tq. Nothing compared to the 300+ torque in the 4.6, but its still respectable.

Both Cobra and SS are derivative of Mustang and Camaro, it is their baseline, even if they are differenciated by perfomance package, it is still Mustang and Camaro.

Also, Jellomancer stated that Nissan VQ has more HP output than 4.6L Mustang, which could be referring to GT or Cobra since he didn't specify what type of Mustang.

The 4.6 in the Mach1 currently has 305/320 I think in terms of power. Oh and isn't there a supercharged version of this VQ in the Frontier/X-Terra that makes a pansy @$$ amount of power?

it's a supercharged 6 and it makes 210HP.

the VQ makes 287 N/A in the 350Z and G35C
great possibilities if that thing was supercharged.

Gotcha. I don't see why people are comparing the VQ to the 4.6 though - the 4.6 is underdeveloped and not Ford's main performance engine. People are making insane amounts of horsepower from the 32v 5.4 from the Navi - something like 300hp stock but with massive potential to be modded. Oh and the VQ is a great engine, don't get me wrong, but it's just another worthless comparison that turns into a "import vs domestic" flamefest
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: LAUST
Originally posted by: slikmunks
it's all good... you got your wickedly boosted car, i've got my auto-xer for now... looking for either an FD or putting in a 20B in my FC in about 3 or 4 years.... i'll try to keep up w/ ya then...
That'll be fun, you do it all yourself too?

The Cobra in my sig's time is pre 393 stroker (the current is 351), I'll have new times posted this spring

i wish i could do it all myself... i do what i can on my own, the rest i'm helpin' people out, watching, learning, slow process, but that's the way you gotta do it... hands on learning
 

GroundZero

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Originally posted by: Eli
I would rather have a 2L engine that could rev to 9000rpm than a 4L engine that can rev to 5500.


More fun, IMO.
i still like my 5+ liter that revs 8500. you can have your 200 horse if your lucky.
i'll take my 486 horses anyday


 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

The 4.6 in the Mach1 currently has 305/320 I think in terms of power. Oh and isn't there a supercharged version of this VQ in the Frontier/X-Terra that makes a pansy @$$ amount of power?

thats not a VQ, its a VG iirc.
 

slikmunks

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Originally posted by: GroundZero
Originally posted by: Eli
I would rather have a 2L engine that could rev to 9000rpm than a 4L engine that can rev to 5500.


More fun, IMO.
i still like my 5+ liter that revs 8500. you can have your 200 horse if your lucky.
i'll take my 486 horses anyday

when i'm done, i'll have a 2L engine that'll rev to 9000 that'll blow ur 486 horses out of the water...

disclaimer: there was no mention of time in the above statement... it'll prob'ly take me another 4 or 5 years to do it, and get it done right
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: 440sixpack
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: 440sixpack
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Iron Woode

one word: HEMI
....and you think the fact that the engine is named after the shape of its combustion chambers effect maximum rpm in what way?


The Hemi head is well known for it's great flow numbers at high RPM's. That's why it's the supremo drag engine.

Yes, but it is mostly the valvetrain and rotating assembly that determines max rpm.

True, the stock valvetrain on a 426 street hemi was a heavy beast. Hey there's some great modern upgrades for 'em now, if you've got $15k or so hanging around.
Yes, the stock valvetrain was heavy and not very effecient. That is why real racers, even in the 60's, replaced the stock pieces with serious aftermarket parts which had better geometry as well. Even stock there was no other bigblock that could rev and gulp air like the hemi could.

You don't need to spend a fortune to build a nice hemi. My friend and I built one using well chosen new and used parts. Ended up costing around $5000-$8000. Remember it is not some smallblock chevy. We built this thing from the pan up. We made 10.5 sec runs in a 1970 Road Runner race car with this setup. We could have gotten more out of it but we were running a little lean on the top end even though we were using dual 750 cfm double pumpers. All this and a 727 auto too. Take that automatic tranny haters.

 

Evadman

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Hello back from the dead thread! how are you tonight?
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: 440sixpack
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: 440sixpack
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Iron Woode

one word: HEMI
....and you think the fact that the engine is named after the shape of its combustion chambers effect maximum rpm in what way?


The Hemi head is well known for it's great flow numbers at high RPM's. That's why it's the supremo drag engine.

Yes, but it is mostly the valvetrain and rotating assembly that determines max rpm.

True, the stock valvetrain on a 426 street hemi was a heavy beast. Hey there's some great modern upgrades for 'em now, if you've got $15k or so hanging around.
Yes, the stock valvetrain was heavy and not very effecient. That is why real racers, even in the 60's, replaced the stock pieces with serious aftermarket parts which had better geometry as well. Even stock there was no other bigblock that could rev and gulp air like the hemi could.

You don't need to spend a fortune to build a nice hemi. My friend and I built one using well chosen new and used parts. Ended up costing around $5000-$8000. Remember it is not some smallblock chevy. We built this thing from the pan up. We made 10.5 sec runs in a 1970 Road Runner race car with this setup. We could have gotten more out of it but we were running a little lean on the top end even though we were using dual 750 cfm double pumpers. All this and a 727 auto too. Take that automatic tranny haters.
How many CFM was the head flowing at peak torque?
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: 440sixpack
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: 440sixpack
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Iron Woode

one word: HEMI
....and you think the fact that the engine is named after the shape of its combustion chambers effect maximum rpm in what way?


The Hemi head is well known for it's great flow numbers at high RPM's. That's why it's the supremo drag engine.

Yes, but it is mostly the valvetrain and rotating assembly that determines max rpm.

True, the stock valvetrain on a 426 street hemi was a heavy beast. Hey there's some great modern upgrades for 'em now, if you've got $15k or so hanging around.
Yes, the stock valvetrain was heavy and not very effecient. That is why real racers, even in the 60's, replaced the stock pieces with serious aftermarket parts which had better geometry as well. Even stock there was no other bigblock that could rev and gulp air like the hemi could.

You don't need to spend a fortune to build a nice hemi. My friend and I built one using well chosen new and used parts. Ended up costing around $5000-$8000. Remember it is not some smallblock chevy. We built this thing from the pan up. We made 10.5 sec runs in a 1970 Road Runner race car with this setup. We could have gotten more out of it but we were running a little lean on the top end even though we were using dual 750 cfm double pumpers. All this and a 727 auto too. Take that automatic tranny haters.
How many CFM was the head flowing at peak torque?
Since we don't have a flow bench I can't tell you. However the heads were ported and flowed by a good machine shop. They flowed very well.

The heads were dual plug.

 
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