A shady Trump official now wants your Name, SSN info, voting history, and party

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OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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why is that data being archived in the first place? who or what I vote for is nobodys business and should never be kept for data mining.
 
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OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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Hey racist retard, who are you talking about? Certainly not the left because they're rich enough to afford it. You must be talking about hillbilly inbreds like yourselfs.

more verbal violence from the left. keep on flying that hate flag dude, you are good at it.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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i find it interesting that a lot of Dems are so worried about possible Russian influence on the elections but not on possible election fraud from within the country. Both should be looked into.

The difference is, there is direct evidence of Russian interference. The IC has told us this with a high degree of certainty. The evidence for widespread voter fraud is non-existent. Generally you need something to go on before you can justify using government resources to investigate something. We could also have a commission on getting to the bottom of that alien autopsy in hangar 51, but somehow I doubt it's a wise use of tax payer money.

Also, you can see why there is no trust here, right? The POTUS who started this so-called investigation has alleged widespread voter fraud without evidence, and we know he is egomaniacally obsessed with disproving the notion that he lost the popular vote. And we know he has appointed someone to lead it who has a history of making baseless claims of voter fraud without evidence to back them up. Trump chose him for a reason.

Even IF there is a good reason to investigate it, there is no reason to trust a single thing that comes out of Trump's investigation. Trump is not impartial on the matter and has no interest in getting at the truth.
 
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xochi

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Love it.
"........ provide the commission with all publicly available voter roll data"

That bastard! Is he actually gathering publicly available data! Is he actually going to look into voter fraud !! We can't have that happening!

For those with selective reading skills
all publicly available voter roll data, including the full names of all registered voters along with their addresses, dates of birth, the last four digits of their Social Security numbers, voting history and other personal information.

This is more than just public information. The last four digits of ssn is never part of public information and who knows what "other personal information means".
Voter registration public info is only name, address, sometimes dob and voting record, (in what elections you voted for). I find in comical that Connie Lawson, the Indiana Secretary of State who is on this commission, has already stated she will refuse to provide this information.

Here is a fun exercise, close your eyes and imagine if the last president convened a commission to gather the exact same thing.
Still puppies and rainbows?
 

rvborgh

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The intelligence community also said that there is no evidence that the Russians were able to change any votes. That came out recently in the hearing with AG Sessions. Also, the NYT two days ago had to retract an article that falsely stated that 17 intelligence agencies had confirmed Russian influence on the elections. There is no public evidence for it.

With regards to looking into possible election fraud... why not set up a group of trusted Ds and Rs... and have them look into it? i don't see why the President couldn't do it... and keep it at an arm's length. If it hasn't seriously been looked into before... then how is anyone to know what the extent of the fraud may be... it may be more serious than anyone thought. It certainly cannot hurt.

The difference is, there is direct evidence of Russian interference. The IC has told us this with a high degree of certainty. The evidence for widespread voter fraud is non-existent. Generally you need something to go on before you can justify using government resources to investigate something. We could also have a commission on getting to the bottom of that alien autopsy in hangar 51, but somehow I doubt it's a wise use of tax payer money.

Also, you can see why there is no trust here, right? The POTUS who started this so-called investigation has alleged widespread voter fraud without evidence, and we know he is egomaniacally obsessed with disproving the notion that he lost the popular vote. And we know he has appointed someone to lead it who has a history of making baseless claims of voter fraud without evidence to back them up. Trump chose him for a reason.

Even IF there is a good reason to investigate it, there is no reason to trust a single thing that comes out of Trump's investigation. Trump is not impartial on the matter and has no interest in getting at the truth.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
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*last 4 if your social not the full number to my knowledge

But the committee hasn't given a good answer why they need it or what it's for other than investigating "stuff" about voter fraud and "stuff"

They did ask for full driver's licenses numbers, which elections you voted in, etc. and are "requesting" these records from all 50 states by July 14th. They are requesting far more than publicly available information.

Frankly the info they are seeking would be very useful in gerrymandering efforts-but the GOP wouldn't do that, would they?

Connecticut has refused to give them anything that is not publicly available, and then will provide it only if this BS commission pays the statutory fee.
 

Grooveriding

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Dec 25, 2008
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The intelligence community also said that there is no evidence that the Russians were able to change any votes. That came out recently in the hearing with AG Sessions. Also, the NYT two days ago had to retract an article that falsely stated that 17 intelligence agencies had confirmed Russian influence on the elections. There is no public evidence for it.

You're a fake news victim. The retraction was in reference to this story : https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/25/...ustrate-even-his-allies.html?_r=0&mtrref=t.co

It was corrected from 17 to 4.

Correction: June 29, 2017

A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.
 

HTFOff

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Oct 3, 2013
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Someone tell Kobach to go down to the Chinese embassy and ask nicely. I'm sure they're willing to help.
 

Pulsar

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i find it interesting that a lot of Dems are so worried about possible Russian influence on the elections but not on possible election fraud from within the country. Both should be looked into.

Whoosh. Right off on a tangent. Can't even stay on topic huh?
 

Roflmouth

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The difference is, there is direct evidence of Russian interference. The IC has told us this with a high degree of certainty.

They haven't told "us" anything of the kind. But I guess Bush wasn't wrong to go into Iraq based on the intelligence he had access to, huh?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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The intelligence community also said that there is no evidence that the Russians were able to change any votes. That came out recently in the hearing with AG Sessions. Also, the NYT two days ago had to retract an article that falsely stated that 17 intelligence agencies had confirmed Russian influence on the elections. There is no public evidence for it.

Yes, that's right, the IC never concluded that Russia successfully altered vote tallies. Nor did the media. No, the NYT did not write that Russia successfully altered vote tallies. You're going to need to find that one for me. Or don't bother wasting your time.

What you're referring to is a retraction of the "17 intelligence agencies concluding that Russia meddled in our election to help Trump win" because technically, 3 agencies (CIA, FBI and NSA) investigated. The meddling they are talking about consists of many different things but no one has ever said it included the successful altering of votes. The reason it is stated as 17 agencies is because the Director of National Intelligence (at the time, Clapper) concurred with the conclusion after conferring with the leaders of all 17 agencies, which is standard procedure. It was a unified assessment of the entire IC, even though the three agencies did the heavy lifting of investigation. Logically, you're never going to have all 17 agencies actively investigating anything as that would be a waste of resources.

The "17 intelligence agencies" has been stated by numerous other news organizations who have not seen fit to retract. Evidently, NYT decided to do so for whatever reason. It's debatable whether it's proper to describe it as 17 agencies or not.

Either way, it has nothing to do with altering votes. That's a bullshit allegation that comes from Hannity and right wing media. If you think the MSM is making this claim, then cite me proof.

With regards to looking into possible election fraud... why not set up a group of trusted Ds and Rs... and have them look into it? i don't see why the President couldn't do it... and keep it at an arm's length. If it hasn't seriously been looked into before... then how is anyone to know what the extent of the fraud may be... it may be more serious than anyone thought. It certainly cannot hurt.

That isn't what Trump is doing. He appointed a crony who already has a publicly obvious bias in the matter, and did so intentionally. Your proposals are irrelevant because they aren't reality.
 
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Balt

Lifer
Mar 12, 2000
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This is sketchy as hell. If the Obama WH had ever requested this information, there would have been an armed insurrection.

PA's Governor drafted a pretty great refusal: https://twitter.com/GovernorTomWolf/status/880893706517315584

Fortunately, it seems like even Republicans aren't too excited about this. The Mississippi Secretary of State apparently told Kobach to go jump in the Gulf of Mexico.

I guess since this administration can't actually accomplish anything of substance, we're going to get this nonsense instead.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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The intelligence community also said that there is no evidence that the Russians were able to change any votes. That came out recently in the hearing with AG Sessions. Also, the NYT two days ago had to retract an article that falsely stated that 17 intelligence agencies had confirmed Russian influence on the elections. There is no public evidence for it.

You're going to have to quote that article because what you're saying here is almost certainly inaccurate. The US IC is in unanimous agreement of Russian activities attempting to influence the US election.

With regards to looking into possible election fraud... why not set up a group of trusted Ds and Rs... and have them look into it? i don't see why the President couldn't do it... and keep it at an arm's length. If it hasn't seriously been looked into before... then how is anyone to know what the extent of the fraud may be... it may be more serious than anyone thought. It certainly cannot hurt.

It has been looked into seriously before. Repeatedly. There is zero evidence of any meaningful amount of voter fraud. Shouldn't we take the previous results of exactly what you're asking for?
 
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So now more than half the states have told them to piss off. Both red and blue. The Mississippi SoS reply was "they can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico". My favourite thus far.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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The only thing I'm willing to give Trump is the ugliest most disgusting sneer that I could ever conjure on my face to the point where It'd actually scare the wife and kids out of the house.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
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You don't have to change any votes to unfairly influence an election. There is evidence that the Russkies hacked into the computers that control voter lists in Democratic strongholds. Scramble those lists even a little and you have chaos on election day. Dem areas can't vote while GOP areas unaffected. The studies into exactly what the Russians did are still ongoing despite many GOP Congress critters doing their best to block it, saying nothing there.

OTOH voter fraud was a top priority of the Justice Dept throughout the GWB years, and many GOP dominated states have rushed through draconian laws meant to prevent such fraud. Meanwhile in the decades that have passed next to no cases of actual voter fraud have been proven. Look at SC-have to have a driver's license or official ID to vote, can get official ID for free at DMV. When the court challenge is over the state all of a sudden shuts down all the DMV branches in black areas "for budgetary reasons."

Cliffs: One is a real peril to our democracy, the other is an excuse to restrict the ability of "the others" to vote.
 

Roflmouth

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Oct 5, 2015
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You don't have to change any votes to unfairly influence an election. There is evidence that the Russkies hacked into the computers that control voter lists in Democratic strongholds. Scramble those lists even a little and you have chaos on election day. Dem areas can't vote while GOP areas unaffected. The studies into exactly what the Russians did are still ongoing despite many GOP Congress critters doing their best to block it, saying nothing there.

OTOH voter fraud was a top priority of the Justice Dept throughout the GWB years, and many GOP dominated states have rushed through draconian laws meant to prevent such fraud. Meanwhile in the decades that have passed next to no cases of actual voter fraud have been proven. Look at SC-have to have a driver's license or official ID to vote, can get official ID for free at DMV. When the court challenge is over the state all of a sudden shuts down all the DMV branches in black areas "for budgetary reasons."

And the blacks in those areas are kept away from other DMVs by the force fields the state erected in their neighborhoods. They really did disenfranchise voters!
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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why is that data being archived in the first place? who or what I vote for is nobodys business and should never be kept for data mining.

"Voting History" is not what you voted for, but which elections you case a ballot in. How you filled out the ballot itself is not known or kept, as far as I know.

Back in the 90s, my mom was implementing an HRIS system for her company and the CEO insisted that it include this same data for some unknown reason.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Go ahead and submit all your personal info to the executive's database GOPers.

If you could, while you are at it... please also list all the guns you own as well.

No worries tho. Promise the info won't be used to seize them after dems defeat Trump in 2020.
 
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