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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Well, if we're going to get our hits in before we cease with the off-topic stuff, I may as well do mine.

Of course it's a windy road for conservatives. That's how the road looks when you don't have all the answers; when you have principles and fail to meet them, and can only do as best you can. Progressives, by contrast, have the same answers for everything because there are no principles, only the pursuit of power. That's what's so sad about blacks and gays and (soon) transgenders. They're just pawns in the chess game, to be sacrificed when necessary to the agenda. Blacks wallow in poverty in cities overwhelmingly controlled by democrats. No one cares about their conditions until they blow up and present a political opportunity as they do now. That's why it's no surprise to me that you said earlier, "Let's keep the protests going until the election."
Sorry, which party has been deregulating, and trying to gouge out the eyes of the checks and balance systems that keep governmental power in check? Those damned power hungry progressives you say?

Which party negotiated with foreign governments for assistance with winning an election? Those dirty progressives again?
 
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Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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No, not offhand. But circumstances are different right now. The culture war is at its apogee. At least I hope it is. If Trump wins or Chauvin is acquitted, people should live in fear of what progressives will do.

But no one should live in fear of a President who would deploy the military against his own citizens, or of law enforcement that can murder citizens with impunity, right? Or of people like you, who want those things to happen to your countrymen?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Well, if we're going to get our hits in before we cease with the off-topic stuff, I may as well do mine.

Of course it's a windy road for conservatives. That's how the road looks when you don't have all the answers; when you have principles and fail to meet them, and can only do as best you can. Progressives, by contrast, have the same answers for everything because there are no principles, only the pursuit of power. That's what's so sad about blacks and gays and (soon) transgenders. They're just pawns in the chess game, to be sacrificed when necessary to the agenda. Blacks wallow in poverty in cities overwhelmingly controlled by democrats. No one cares about their conditions until they blow up and present a political opportunity as they do now. That's why it's no surprise to me that you said earlier, "Let's keep the protests going until the election."

Obviously not from a metro area. "nobody cares", while you vote for a party that will cut funding.
 
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Atreus21

Lifer
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But no one should live in fear of a President who would deploy the military against his own citizens, or of law enforcement that can murder citizens with impunity, right? Or of people like you, who want those things to happen to your countrymen?

Everyone should live in fear of the government, no matter the leadership. It has a monopoly on legal violence.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Should be, yes. As a practical matter it's exactly the opposite. You're making a good argument for the 2nd amendment.
If you've ever seen me in any of the 2A threads on this site, you'll know I'm an exceptionally strong supporter of the 2A. I consider authoritative governments the second highest existential threat to our species behind climate change, and the current governmental response is doing nothing to change my mind (except maybe move it up a notch).
 

Vic

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Well, if we're going to get our hits in before we cease with the off-topic stuff, I may as well do mine.

Of course it's a windy road for conservatives. That's how the road looks when you don't have all the answers; when you have principles and fail to meet them, and can only do as best you can. Progressives, by contrast, have the same answers for everything because there are no principles, only the pursuit of power. That's what's so sad about blacks and gays and (soon) transgenders. They're just pawns in the chess game, to be sacrificed when necessary to the agenda. Blacks wallow in poverty in cities overwhelmingly controlled by democrats. No one cares about their conditions until they blow up and present a political opportunity as they do now. That's why it's no surprise to me that you said earlier, "Let's keep the protests going until the election."

And that false witness thing comes out yet again. Really sad that you call yourself a Christian while making up obvious lies to rationalize the use of govt violence against people for disagreeing with you.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Sorry, which party has been deregulating, and trying to gouge out the eyes of the checks and balance systems that keep governmental power in check? Those damned power hungry progressives you say?

Well yeah. Deregulation isn't necessarily bad.

Which party negotiated with foreign governments for assistance with winning an election? Those dirty progressives again?

I think you may have missed the Mueller report.

vol. I, p. 173: "Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."

Anyway, I thought you weren't super-inclined to continue off-topic.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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And that false witness thing comes out yet again. Really sad that you call yourself a Christian while making up obvious lies to rationalize the use of govt violence against people for disagreeing with you.

I'm sorry but you still don't appear to know what a lie is. A lie is deliberately passing as truth something you know isn't. That's not what I'm doing, and even if I was, how would you know it? You're just super-duper sure of it? You can read minds?
 

Vic

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Everyone should live in fear of the government, no matter the leadership. It has a monopoly on legal violence.
Exactly. And which is why your political faction is seeking to monopolize that monopoly on legal violence.
Have you not actually read any of my posts here today, or have you read them and not understood them?
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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I'm sorry but you still don't appear to know what a lie is. A lie is deliberately passing as truth something you know isn't. That's not what I'm doing, and even if I was, how would you know it? You're just super-duper sure of it?
You don't know that I'm a liar; I might just be an idiot. You didn't think about that, did you?
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Exactly. And which is why your political faction is seeking to monopolize that monopoly on legal violence.

Well right, just like your faction is.

Have you not actually read any of my posts here today, or have you read them and not understood them?

I've read all of your posts responding to me.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Well yeah. Deregulation isn't necessarily bad.
Name one of those that he eliminated that was in the interests of the People, not the corporations.


I think you may have missed the Mueller report.

vol. I, p. 173: "Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."
that he could prove. When people won't testify it's hard to prove their guilt without the necessary evidence to prove it. Trump made sure nobody got anything.

Anyway, I thought you weren't super-inclined to continue off-topic.
Answers in bold.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Answers in bold.

Name one of those that he eliminated that was in the interests of the People, not the corporations.

What are "the interests of the People?"

When people won't testify it's hard to prove their guilt without the necessary evidence to prove it. Trump made sure nobody got anything.

A hallmark of conspiracy theories is the treating of a lack of evidence as itself evidence.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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I think the following would be a really pleasant change:

Topic: Conservative politician says let's go kill some of our own citizens and forgo due process.

Responses: You know, that's pretty fucked up. I'm going to contact my local congressman/senator about this!

End of thread.

As opposed to the usual process of group X explaining to water-carrying conservatives that water is wet and conservatives going through the 5 Ds of Dodgeball.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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I think the following would be a really pleasant change:

Topic: Conservative politician says let's go kill some of our own citizens and forgo due process.

Responses: You know, that's pretty fucked up. I'm going to contact my local congressman/senator about this!

End of thread.

As opposed to the usual process of group X explaining to water-carrying conservatives that water is wet and conservatives going through the 5 Ds of Dodgeball.

Hey, I admitted I was mistaken.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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What are "the interests of the People?"
Clean air, clean water, etc. All regulations Trump relaxed in some states.


A hallmark of conspiracy theories is the treating of a lack of evidence as itself evidence.
A hallmark of lying is not releasing evdince and testimony that you know would incriminate you.

bolded.
 

Vic

Elite Member
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Well right, just like your faction is.
Can you provide an example of this?

BTW, you really need to stop lying. If you've actually read my posts, you'd know that my only faction is the one that wants to curtail the use of govt violence as much as reasonably possible, and to permit such govt force only as permitted by due process and the law. You will never find a post from me here - ever - calling for violence. You will find 40k+ posts from me here condemning violence and, in particular, condemning govt violence.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Civil rights for LGBT people was never a right vs left issue. It was and is an equal rights issue. There is nothing in conservative orthodoxy that would support denying equal rights to LGBT people. The Republican Party threw out conservationism when it discovered that it was easier to win elections based on voter suppression, gerrymandering, and pandering to bigots.

Side-note: Bill Clinton was never a liberal. He was center-right and dragged the Dems to the right. It worked for him but not for America.

Well, there are those passages in Leviticus...
 
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