A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

[smackababy]

I think I would. At least, show it so the people that care can look it up (if they haven't switched actors...)

I did really love the Arya scenes, but I might be bias, because her storyline is my favorite.

 

[Remobz]

Yeah, no shit. No warging eyes...implies to me Jon doesn't warg into Ghost as many had hoped. If he comes back at all, it's gotta be the red witch.

edit: Although, as mentioned in the show thread, the cutaway during the killing blow implies Stannis might not be dead.

Stannis is dead I think. Besides, if he is not dead then he has no army and no power. Who the hell likes him? Nobody. Who can he turn to for help? Nobody. He is useless.

That red witch said she saw the bolton banner burning but how do we know that it some OTHER character that crushes House Bolton. The White Walkers maybe?

Stannis storyline is dead in so many ways its not funny.

My only hope is that Jon will return.

 

[TheAdvocate]

So what "spoilers" are left for the show?

Do you guys think that a clunky Jon can warg opening scene will happen next season (horrible setup if it does - guess it increases the off season angst, but that's a soap opera caliber device since they haven't introduced it in the show).

I think Euron is the only other spoiler. And he has been more cool than essential so far in the books. He is Boba Fett as far as I am concerned, though I guess eventually he will get Han to Jabba, as it were.

 

[nageov3t]

didn't really care for how the whole Jon Snow story played out... I felt like in the books, it was pretty clear that he was basically abandoning the oaths he swore, whereas in the show, his fellow members of the Night Watch were just a little butthurt.

So what "spoilers" are left for the show?

the only one I can think of is Lady Stoneheart, but despite trolling by various cast members of the show, I think that plot thread has officially been abandoned.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I think Euron is the only other spoiler.

That's about it, and there's not really anything shocking about him or the rest of the Iron Isles stuff to spoil.

didn't really care for how the whole Jon Snow story played out... I felt like in the books, it was pretty clear that he was basically abandoning the oaths he swore, whereas in the show, his fellow members of the Night Watch were just a little butthurt.

Yeah, there's a lot of context in the books that simply doesn't exist in the show. There's also at least some occasional justice that's been left out, leaving this season very bleak. I was super disappointed in the lack of Frey Pie this season.

 

[Fingolfin269]

OK, well it does seem you can talk show + books here. Sucks in a way because I really want to theorize with show only folks but I guess there's too many people worried about spoilers even though there really isn't anything left.

So, for those who watch and read, do you think the show has dropped enough hints to provide sufficient evidence that R+L = J is still a plausible theory? Even in the show?

 

[Gooberlx2]

Well, from the show only, we know Ned came back with Jon. We know the whole rebellion began from Rheagar abducting Lyanna. From the crypts scene, it's Sansa's belief that Rheagar raped Lyanna. One could put those facts together and deduce R+L=J. However they haven't discussed events at the Tower of Joy (that I can remember) so, imo, it'd be a stretch for a show-only viewer to put that together.

 

[MongGrel]

Yeah, no shit. No warging eyes...implies to me Jon doesn't warg into Ghost as many had hoped. If he comes back at all, it's gotta be the red witch.

edit: Although, as mentioned in the show thread, the cutaway during the killing blow implies Stannis might not be dead.

I'm wondering that myself, I said that to the wife when she swung at Staninis. Things like that are show a lot normally, Brienne might be starting to figure these things out and have something in mind for him.

Does seem a stretch though, as she is pretty duty bound, and he has always been on the top of her hit list.

I'd think Stannis is game over, though.

 

[MongGrel]

OK, well it does seem you can talk show + books here. Sucks in a way because I really want to theorize with show only folks but I guess there's too many people worried about spoilers even though there really isn't anything left.

So, for those who watch and read, do you think the show has dropped enough hints to provide sufficient evidence that R+L = J is still a plausible theory? Even in the show?

Probably not, the old Targaryen Maester liked him enough I think he himself might have had some information from the past to vote him Lord Commander, and he would be related to Daenerys then also, on top of Stark.

I'd almost say a sure bet on a Lord of Light ressurection as Millasandre boogied when she saw things going in the toilet and boogied from Winterfell.

Does seem she got there pretty fast on her own. but they do seem to mess with time give or take now and then.

It would be a real stretch for many in just the show thread though, by a long shot, many over there didn't even recognize Dothraki around Danny at the end there.



You could drop a few things written on an anvil on a few and it wouldn't be apparent.

 

[MongGrel]

I still suspect Syrio Forel will show up again eventually, he was her dancing master and I suspect he was a Faceless Man to begin with some what, being from Bravos and all.

In that case, Arya would even be able to morph into him like Jaqen H'ghar.

I doubt a real Jaqen has existed in awhile, well they made that pretty obviously in EP9 I geuss. I suspect Syrio was another mask, is like the one women long ago that was a faceless assassin where they hide identities of course.

 

[MongGrel]

Someone in the other thread has been playing up bullshit for a long time now, and either dumber than a rock, or faking it.

Probably a combination of all of the above.

 

[Remobz]

When is the new book coming out? I hope soon.

 

[nageov3t]

When is the new book coming out? I hope soon.

GRRM has said that he'd like to release it before the next season of the show, but who knows... the real answer is probably "never."

 

[Aikouka]

the only one I can think of is Lady Stoneheart, but despite trolling by various cast members of the show, I think that plot thread has officially been abandoned.

In the list that I read about most-wanted characters, she was #1. Although, the people commenting on that list didn't really seem to care for her arc much. I don't know much about it since all I know came from that list (so I know who she is), but I'd think a revenge arc for her could be interesting if done well.

I'd almost say a sure bet on a Lord of Light ressurection as Millasandre boogied when she saw things going in the toilet and boogied from Winterfell.

Sometimes I'll read about book vs. show differences, and if I remember right, Melisandre is still at Castle Black in the books along with Stannis's wife and Shereen, right? If they do go the revival route, it's possible that they had Melisandre leave because she needs to be at Castle Black for Jon's sake. If that's the case, my only complaint there is that it seems a bit messy since she seemed so devoted to Stannis that abandoning him just seems... wrong.

Albeit, this is Game of Thrones, so it seems the only characters that are "right" end up on the wrong side of a blade.

 

[techs]

Great thread!
I was surprised to see how people were commenting back in 2011 about events that have only just happened on the show now. It must have been tough waiting all this time to see the show runners vision vs. Grmm's books.

 

[nageov3t]

In the list that I read about most-wanted characters, she was #1. Although, the people commenting on that list didn't really seem to care for her arc much. I don't know much about it since all I know came from that list (so I know who she is), but I'd think a revenge arc for her could be interesting if done well.

I think tv show fans would have lost their shit if the season finale last year ended with Caitlyn Stark getting fished out from the river, still breathing, but alas... Lady Stoneheart is probably not to be.

the actress is on a new series and it'd be hard to keep the casting news a secret if she was back on-set.

 

[blankslate]

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Just GTFO you fecking whiny malignant Drama Queen.



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[blankslate]

Well the Troglodytes with long term memory problems seem to win again blankslate.

Onwards.

Well these about sum it up.

 

[blankslate]

didn't really care for how the whole Jon Snow story played out... I felt like in the books, it was pretty clear that he was basically abandoning the oaths he swore, whereas in the show, his fellow members of the Night Watch were just a little butthurt.

The counterpoint discussed in another forum at wersteros.org is that the letter not mentioned in the show clearly stated that if the NW didn't give Ramsey Snow what they didn't have Arya Stark (or rather her impostor) he would march on them from the south...

Because of past events the wall isn't really fortified against attacks from the south. So Jon Snow was kind of in a bind... he also didn't order any of the NW march against Ramsey Bolton he was asking for volunteers and probably the vast majority from the Wildlings.

So yeah he broke his vows in the book but in the show because of time constraints the brothers are a bit more butt-hurty.


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[blankslate]

Do you guys think that a clunky Jon can warg opening scene will happen next season (horrible setup if it does - guess it increases the off season angst, but that's a soap opera caliber device since they haven't introduced it in the show).

Oddly enough the as was pointed out to me by an acquaintance who also watches the show. Previous major deaths (perhaps aside from Tywin) were in the 9th episode of the season with the after math of that death shown clearly in the 10th episode of the season.

Yet Jon's stabbing is the final shot of the entire season. who knows?

When is the new book coming out? I hope soon.

Supposedly GRR Martin is planning on it being out before the next season and has started saying no appearances or interviews that haven't been long-planned but you never know considering the gap between the 3rd and 4th books and then the long delay before the 5th book.

It's a good bet that the show will air season 6th before book six is read by fans.


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[MongGrel]

Great thread!
I was surprised to see how people were commenting back in 2011 about events that have only just happened on the show now. It must have been tough waiting all this time to see the show runners vision vs. Grmm's books.

Fuck off, you've been reading it the whole time and getting people banned I'm sure.

Bad form on your part, you should get a vacation just for your bullshit over time.

Apparently, the mods believe you're stream of "Oh woe is me"

The sad part is simple things still seem to go over you're head.

Way over the line for this sort of thread.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[MongGrel]

Great thread!
I was surprised to see how people were commenting back in 2011 about events that have only just happened on the show now. It must have been tough waiting all this time to see the show runners vision vs. Grmm's books.

You've been reading things here the whole time i'm sure.

 

[MongGrel]

Just GTFO you fecking whiny malignant Drama Queen.



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[MongGrel]

They were riding horse back and had Dothraki weapons / carb.


It certainly looks that way, but I don't much of the Mountain is left. =)

Techs has been so dense for so long to actually bitch about things like that it's pathetic.

More like just trolling.

He had to edit the post in the other thread just because didn't even know what a Dothraki was when a whole clan of them swept in.

 

[techs]

Geez, I just get done praising the quality of this thread when the quality goes way down.
Darn, and I had to go and report a certain member......