A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

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Homerboy

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Well, she'd actually be his aunt. But that should be even less of a problem.

All this is assuming he comes back. That damn book better come out before next season.

I think they'd be insane not to release it before the next season. It'd be a marketing failure if they didn't. Think of the volume of books they will sell if it is released a month or two before season 6 premiere. They will not only get the historical book readers, but the TV fans too that can't wait.

At this point, the books and show are just about printing money. HBO and publishers will do just that with them.
 

nageov3t

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Sorry, but Jon has already proven he is not immune to fire. If you recall he burned his hand as part of the NW.

I don't think the Targaryens have a literal immunity to fire... note that Dany's ability was only tested once, as part of an evil shadow magic ritual, and several other Targaryens have died in the past as a result of fun things like drinking wildfire... if anything, it may just apply to dragon fire.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Arya? I have no idea where her story ends up.

Rikkon? Honestly who cares. He's been out of the picture so long, if they try to reintroduce him and give him some sort of "Hey! This is what I've been doing and now I'm powerful" or something like that filler story... I'll stop reading.

Hound vs Mountain in a deathmatch to end all deathmatches. That's all that matters at this point. I think Arya has something to do with this somehow too?

Arya is going to have to assassinate somebody at some critical moment. She has not gone through this arc to lead her on the path of becoming a Faceless Man to not have it matter in the end. Chekhov's gun. Given her past connection to Jon and assuming that Jon really is one facet of the three-headed Dragon, he's going to be there at the end in the thick of things and she's going to kill one of his enemies to help him.

Rikkon, yeah, feed him to Dany's dragons. I would hope for Bran to get whacked too, but as the COTF are going to be important down the road so is he. So he's safe.

The Hound HAS to square off against zombie Gregor at some point. If that doesn't go down the rest of the series is a flop no matter what else happens. Maybe eventually things align that Cersei's faction is the biggest threat to Jon's, Sandor comes out of hiding to take on Gregor and after an epic fight Gregor wins. Then Arya assassinates Gregor (or Cersei or Qyburn or whoever is controlling Gregor) to avenge Sandor and save Jon.
 

Homerboy

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The Hound HAS to square off against zombie Gregor at some point. If that doesn't go down the rest of the series is a flop no matter what else happens. Maybe eventually things align that Cersei's faction is the biggest threat to Jon's, Sandor comes out of hiding to take on Gregor and after an epic fight Gregor wins. Then Arya assassinates Gregor (or Cersei or Qyburn or whoever is controlling Gregor) to avenge Sandor and save Jon.

Oh shit... you just nailed it. It would make COMPLETE sense for the Hound to lose and for Arya to avenge him. That's the combination and full circle of Arya's story line. Hound will be fighting for the fire side (as he's been resurrected by the LoL). Obviously Arya is on Jon's and the LoL's side (but that goes against there being a "many faced God?...) so she will avenge the Hounds death by killing Zombie Gregor as he is on her shit-list already too. He will probably be THE LAST off her list too so her story/goals are "done".
 

blankslate

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The Hound HAS to square off against zombie Gregor at some point.

This has been suggested in the Clegane-Bowl thread on another forums and yes it would be a great moment in the story especially considering that The Mountain was stopped by the Hound from killing Ser Loras in the tourney back in season one.

If you read the chapter which is a Ned PoV you see that while the Mountain tried to hit The Hound's helmet, the Hound didn't try to hit Gregor Glegane's un-helmed head.

So that first fight in the series that we see suggests some small bit of honor on the Hounds part.


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Guurn

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I have a pet theory of Rickon. We know a few things.

"When Davos asks where Rickon is Wex throws his dagger onto a sheepskin map adorning the wall. To Davos's horror it strikes Skagos. Davos is left with no choice but to head to the infamous island to retrieve Rickon Stark."

He is 4, maybe 5 and has Shaggydog with him. After winter hits and passes, because the story has to wind up after the winter is over, he could be as old as 14-15(thinking 6-7year winter plus a couple years for crop and civilization recovery/armies travel on their stomachs). Basically the same age as Robb was when he led the armies. In the books, because there is no way the TV show has time to go this path, we could see him leading the ground forces after winter is over. Maybe being the King of the North.
 

MongGrel

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Not even sure he's making some of that up, but seems he's getting material from somewhere.

Where there books outside that I know nothing about ?

That or I just forget the side stories.

It all sounds valid.

Is there some Silmarillion version of Game of Thrones like Lord of the Rings I'm not aware of, or has he really dissected the books that much ?
 
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quikah

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Not even sure he's making some of that up, but seems he's getting material from somewhere.

Where there books outside that I know nothing about ?

That or I just forget the side stories.

It all sounds valid.

Is there some Silmarillion version of Game of Thrones like Lord of the Rings I'm not aware of, or has he really dissected the books that much ?

I haven't read it yet, but the recently released World of Ice and Fire book has a lot of info. Also there is some stuff in the Dunk and Egg novellas, which I also haven't read...
 

sactoking

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There was a scene between Melissandre and Thoros in the show that supposedly doesn't take place in the books. Melisandre meets the Brotherhood without Banners and finds out that Thoros resurrected Berric six times. She claims that he should not have that sort of power and Thoros says he has no power. He just asks and R'hllor chooses whether or not to grant new life to Berric. To me it's safe to say that scene was added for a reason, they wouldn't create it out of thin air if something important isn't said/done. While Melisandre may or may not resurrect Jon that single conversation seems to foreshadow that she could if she merely asked and R'hllor approved.

Yeah, that scene in the show didn't happen in the books. I'm pretty sure that in the books there's a chapter on Dragonstone where Melisandre hears of Thoros resurrecting Beric and comments that the Lord of Light works differently in everyone.
 

dainthomas

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I haven't read it yet, but the recently released World of Ice and Fire book has a lot of info. Also there is some stuff in the Dunk and Egg novellas, which I also haven't read...

I have that book and haven't gotten too far into it but it seems like there's a TON of in-depth info not in the other books.
 

Gooberlx2

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I have a pet theory of Rickon. We know a few things.

"When Davos asks where Rickon is Wex throws his dagger onto a sheepskin map adorning the wall. To Davos's horror it strikes Skagos. Davos is left with no choice but to head to the infamous island to retrieve Rickon Stark."

He is 4, maybe 5 and has Shaggydog with him. After winter hits and passes, because the story has to wind up after the winter is over, he could be as old as 14-15(thinking 6-7year winter plus a couple years for crop and civilization recovery/armies travel on their stomachs). Basically the same age as Robb was when he led the armies. In the books, because there is no way the TV show has time to go this path, we could see him leading the ground forces after winter is over. Maybe being the King of the North.

I pretty much expect Rikkon to be the reuniting force for the North. What other Stark would they banner under? Bran's a tree. Arya's pursuing a different career. Sansa's more likely to marry Harold Hardying, after some sort of accident happens to shitty little Robert (giving them The Vale). I'm not sure the North is likely to rally after an undead bastard Jon Snow. Has to be Rikkon if it happens at all. It's entirely the reason Manderly sent Davos to Skagos. The question is what kind of person Rikkon will be? Even before he departed with Osha, he was getting a bit feral....a bit like Shaggydog was more in control during the warging.
 
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blankslate

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I'm not sure the North is likely to rally after an undead bastard Jon Snow.

I think that *if* he comes back Jon Snow ultimately journeys North of the Wall to find out the exact nature of the Others. He has a dream similar to his "Jon on the Wall with a flaming sword cutting down Wights and Others" which prompts him to do so.

My crackpot theory is that sometime after his revival and that he seems to be really alive in the books Val seduces him "After all why be faithful to an organization with tried to kill you, it's not as if you've really been celibate after all."

Jon dies sometime before the end of the story but unlike Robb's death his sacrifice gains something in that it facilitates a victory in the return of spring and the prevention of Others from taking over the lands below the Wall. I doubt the others are totally defeated since Mr. Martin seems to like repeating cycles of history and all.

Before Jon's death he gets to see Arya, Tyrion, and perhaps Dany. After his death Val is watched over by Ghost since somehow Jon's temporary residence familiarizes Ghost with Val, who didn't partake of the moon-tea after seducing Jon.
^Remember this is totally crackpot and probably won't happen that way.... except maybe the second paragraph. That seems likely to me.



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Homerboy

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If Rickon becomes the protagonist, I quit.

You can't just have somebody missing for 8,000 pages and then have him show up and be like "Oh yeah, I'm here to kick some ass now"
 
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quikah

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I have that book and haven't gotten too far into it but it seems like there's a TON of in-depth info not in the other books.

The way the book was written seems interesting. It is an account of the history as told by a Maester. Some of the info might not be 100% correct.

If Rickon becomes the protagonist, I quit.

You can't just have somebody missing for 8,000 pages and then have him show up and be like "Oh yeah, I'm here to kick some ass now"

Uhh... Aegon...
 

Gooberlx2

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He doesn't have to be THE protagonist, any more than Sansa is for example, but I still think he's the most likely character for the North to unite under...maybe. Perhaps he just eats Davos instead.
 

Homerboy

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He doesn't have to be THE protagonist, any more than Sansa is for example, but I still think he's the most likely character for the North to unite under...maybe. Perhaps he just eats Davos instead.

You're right that he doesn't have to be THE protagonist. Technically speaking, after Ned died, there isnt a single main character in the storyline.

I guess my point is that to me, even introducing Rickon back into the storyline is going to piss me off. If it were book 3? I'd probably be OK with it. But to introduce him now, and most likely to have him as some key player is just going to piss me off.

Is he going to end up with some "power"?
How the hell will he have ANY idea what has been going on (reading on tmz.com?)
Where would he have been hiding? With whom? How? Under what guise?

I dunno... he's too far gone at this point. And I say that somewhat upset too as I hated to see him leave and then just be ignored for 4 seasons and a million pages in the books.
 
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