A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

[Guurn]

After he dies (Jon Snow)assuming he gets rezzed or comes back undead isn't he free of the watch?

 

[nageov3t]

I haven't read it yet, but the recently released World of Ice and Fire book has a lot of info. Also there is some stuff in the Dunk and Egg novellas, which I also haven't read...

now, would the stuff from World of Ice and Fire count as a spoiler? since it comes from a book, but not the book series that the tv show is based on. :hmm:

 

[Gooberlx2]

After he dies (Jon Snow)assuming he gets rezzed or comes back undead isn't he free of the watch?

Presumably...if for no other reason than "Fuck you guys, I'm going home".

 

[sactoking]

After he dies (Jon Snow)assuming he gets rezzed or comes back undead isn't he free of the watch?

I could see it either way. If he died then one could say his vow was fulfilled. I could also see where if he was, say, resurrected by Melisandre before the watch burned/buried him and said the words "and now his watch is ended" that he might technically still be a sworn brother.

 

[blankslate]

Presumably...if for no other reason than "Fuck you guys, I'm going home".

That's a pretty good reason imho... someone stabs you the party is ovah.


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[GagHalfrunt]

If he croaks and gets resurrected he'd be free, and of course that's what's going to happen. If he's not really important then he just says dead, but if the R+L=J theories are true, he's going to be around for a while and he can't be tied to the wall. So killing him off while a priestess of the Red God is conveniently present is the way to neatly handle things. He dies, he lives again, he's free and most importantly, he's still noble and likeable as he didn't break his oath. There is absolutely no chance that he's still a brother of the NW. There's a 1% chance that he's really dead and a 99% chance that he dies and either resurrects or wargs to freedom.

 

[blankslate]

There's a 1% chance that he's really dead and a 99% chance that he dies and either resurrects or wargs to freedom.

There's a small chance that the show diverges from the books on Jon's fate in the story as well. Dead in the show but warged into Ghost for a while in the books...

Of course in that case I would like the show noticeably less than the books since there the show did lay out some foreshadowing about death not being always permanent in general and specifically in Jon's case (admittedly not nearly so much as in the books however).

Some speculation is that they have him gone for most of the 6th season except for some footage shot concurrently with the shooting for this season about the aftermath of the stabbing with a minimal crew in secrecy, for minimal appearances in season 6. And Jon returns in season 7.

It's not like they haven't left characters off-screen for an extended time before.


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[GagHalfrunt]

There's a small chance that the show diverges from the books on Jon's fate in the story as well. Dead in the show but warged into Ghost for a while in the books...

Of course in that case I would like the show noticeably less than the books since there the show did lay out some foreshadowing about death not being always permanent in general and specifically in Jon's case (admittedly not nearly so much as in the books however).

Some speculation is that they have him gone for most of the 6th season except for some footage shot concurrently with the shooting for this season about the aftermath of the stabbing with a minimal crew in secrecy, for minimal appearances in season 6. And Jon returns in season 7.

It's not like they haven't left characters off-screen for an extended time before.


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There has been some reports that have seen him in locations where the shooting has already begun for next season. Those are not reliable though, no pictures to confirm anything and could just be wishful thinking. Personally I also believe that the show could Bran-ize Jon and give him a season off only to have him return in season 7. I'm basing most of my belief that he lives on the presumed importance of his character and on the fact that Melisandre returns to Castle Black right before he gets whacked. She didn't have much reason to be there otherwise. The whole set-up with her talking to Thoros of Myr about resurrection was a clear harbinger of her doing it herself eventually. She's 100% going to try to raise somebody sometime, it seems likely that the somebody is Jon.

 

[blankslate]

Those are not reliable though, no pictures to confirm anything and could just be wishful thinking.

Either wishful thinking or trolling fans I guess.

 

[dr150]

There has been some reports that have seen him in locations where the shooting has already begun for next season. Those are not reliable though, no pictures to confirm anything and could just be wishful thinking. Personally I also believe that the show could Bran-ize Jon and give him a season off only to have him return in season 7. I'm basing most of my belief that he lives on the presumed importance of his character and on the fact that Melisandre returns to Castle Black right before he gets whacked. She didn't have much reason to be there otherwise. The whole set-up with her talking to Thoros of Myr about resurrection was a clear harbinger of her doing it herself eventually. She's 100% going to try to raise somebody sometime, it seems likely that the somebody is Jon.

Kitt is as good as gone if you don't bring him back for S6.

He's much in demand now in Hollywood to commit to come back a year later for S7.

 

[Fire&Blood]

Jon Snow lives as long as Kit doesn't get a haircut.

R+L=J was a relevant theory, RR Martin asked D&D who they think Jon Snow's mother as part of his quiz to determine whether to let them bring the books to TV or kick them out. Building all of that up just to throw it away...

When Melisandre came to pick up Gendry, she told Arya they would meet again, curious to see how that gets set in motion.

 

[smackababy]

I hope Jon Snow is dead. Just because, why the hell not. =)

 

[blankslate]

I hope Jon Snow is dead. Just because, why the hell not. =)

Well, his demise probably means the Others get over the wall sooner so that's a plus for the story... I guess.

 

[blankslate]

http://watchersonthewall.com/more-casting-info-for-game-of-thrones-season-6/

Legendary Fighter: A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a hugely famous sword on his back. The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role- the best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.

This is the one that has people speculating. There aren't many candidates who fit this description aside from the Legendary Ser Arthur Dayne who was by all accounts a paragon of knighthood and honor while being perhaps the most skilled fighter of the King's Guard for the past few generations. Ned who is famously honorable to a fault is one of those who holds this opinion of the man.

The "hugely famous" sword could of course be Dawn which has properties of Valyrian Steel being lighter and sharper than most ordinary swords...

The reason people are excited about this is that there is probably no reason to cast this character unless there is a certain flashback to be filmed (a flash back for which to an event for which no major characters who were present are alive by the end of the first book)... unless you buy into a certain popular fan theory.

If the casting pertaining to a legendary fighter casting call is for the Tower of Joy scene then hopefully they spend as much time on choreography for the fight that happens. Ned and Howland Reed and 5 others vs. 3 King's Guard with the 3 killing 5 before being defeated.

In the aftermath Ned delivered Dawn to House Dayne rather than keep it as a prize out of respect.



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[MongGrel]

Great thread!
I was surprised to see how people were commenting back in 2011 about events that have only just happened on the show now. It must have been tough waiting all this time to see the show runners vision vs. Grmm's books.

And somehow you've been hanging out 4 years saying various bullshit and milking it for all it's worth and convincing people you aren't liyng your ass off to begin with.

 

[blankslate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmHwITLjHJ0

Carice van Houten talks about the her disrobing scene involving Melissandre and Jon Snow then mentions a bigger scene following that involving those two characters...

Did she spoil something? because that scene hasn't been shown afaik.


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[blankslate]

Interesting Kevin Smith conversation about game of thrones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCBCRLd_MeQ

if you're a fan of Kevin Smith's movies.


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[blankslate]

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/game-t...ark-return-rumored-tower-joy-flashback-458142

^the above location has been looked at for season 6. Along with some casting news a bit earlier in the month it strongly hints at a Tower of Joy flashback.

This was a flashback that Ned had in the first book while imprisoned and awaiting judgment. It was left out but now may be brought into the series.

It figures in a popular fan theory.

Also Isaac Hemstead-Wright hints at greenseer visions that his character Bran would be having.
http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2015/07/14/bran-stark-is-coming-back-to-game-of-thrones-season-6/

Perhaps he's the conduit by which a possible Tower of Joy flashback is shown in the series?


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[Homerboy]

I don't know what thread to post this in so I cross posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/is-jon-snow-dead_55bafb46e4b0b23e3ce23ad1?

Dead is dead? For reals?

 

[blankslate]

I don't know what thread to post this in so I cross posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/is-jon-snow-dead_55bafb46e4b0b23e3ce23ad1?

Dead is dead? For reals?

As I explained to another poster who doesn't read the spoiler thread in a PM response to a question they had.

The show has made several departures from the show and in the books Jon may be revived and remain dead in the show. That would be a very large departure though.


It could be in the books he doesn't quite die, his body is in a coma while his consciousness is in Ghost for a while. Seems to be what is foreshadowed in the book chapters.

While in the show Jon snow is indeed dead (not just mostly dead but all the way dead soz)... but is somehow resurrected.
If his dream (not shown in the show) about wielding and a firesword and killing the undead isn't just a dream then maybe R'hllor allows Mellisandre to resurrect Jon with much less resurrection side-effects that Beric Dondarrion showed...

Although we come across Beric after 7 or 8 resurrections and perhaps the first resurrection has almost no side-effects.


Who knows? Seems like a lot of foreshadowing and odd clues have been laid out in the book(s) for Jon to just die and leave them hanging but who knows maybe George R.R. Martin had intended all along for those questions (and answers if they are revealed to follow the popular R+L=J theory) to continue to impact the decision making of characters who knew Jon even after his demise...


The resident Drama Queen of the other thread might be having a nice time trying to avoid GoT web speculation. Odds are the next book won't be out before season 6 in time to provide book spoilers though.


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[Charmonium]

Stannis is alive in the books according to Martin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hbos-game-of-thrones-stannis-baratheon-is-alive-2015-8

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Stannis is alive in the books according to Martin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hbos-game-of-thrones-stannis-baratheon-is-alive-2015-8

He could still be alive and then get whacked in chapter 1.

Even if he's alive it's hard to believe that he'll be relevant anymore, he'd just flee to some out of the way place a broken and bitter man without an army. If he was going to be important to the books down the road they wouldn't have killed him in the show. The books and the series might differ on some things, but they sure as hell wouldn't split on important characters being alive or dead.

 

[Charmonium]

He could still be alive and then get whacked in chapter 1.

Even if he's alive it's hard to believe that he'll be relevant anymore, he'd just flee to some out of the way place a broken and bitter man without an army. If he was going to be important to the books down the road they wouldn't have killed him in the show. The books and the series might differ on some things, but they sure as hell wouldn't split on important characters being alive or dead.

I predict that Stannis kills the Red Witch after she resurrects Jon and becomes leader of the Night's Watch.

 

[blankslate]

I came across this youtube video series a few hours ago starting with part one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgUIPvAlLI

short synopsis of the video series is that it highlights parallels between ideas/themes G.R.R. Martin explored in some of his earlier sci-fi novels with a character's P.o.V. chapter events and where the story in those chapters could be going in future books based on knowledge of how G.R.R. Martin has treated those ideas/themes in his earlier fiction.

Being that it is a comparison of Mr. Martin's sci-fi themes with certain events in his ASoIaF novels (which are fantasy) the videos are most likely nothing more than entertaining speculation, but they could hint at major spoilers that even book readers may want to avoid... you've been forewarned.

The videos do also spoil plot points of those G.R.R. Martin sci-fi novels that ASoIaF is compared to (and maybe ASoIaF's unpublished books)... however since I have read novels after watching movies or series based on them and vice versa without any real negative impact in my literary or film/television experiences; so I don't mind... Others... may feel differently...


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[smackababy]

Stannis is alive in the books according to Martin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hbos-game-of-thrones-stannis-baratheon-is-alive-2015-8

I feel I should comment on this. Of course, Stannis is still alive in the books. The books never went over what happened as Stannis marched on Winterfel. According to the books, he was bogged down by snow and never made it. It just seems silly for GRRM to say this. It is like "well, no duh!".