A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

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http://watchersonthewall.com/game-o...ming-report-from-the-tower-of-joy/#more-46741

The actor who plays Bran has been seen at the location where it is speculated that the Tower of Joy flashback is being filmed. This points at Jon's parentage being revealed by Bran having a vision about the events of the Tower of Joy rather than it being revealed by the only survivor of that encounter who can remember it.

This could also explain why Jon is wearing the same colors that Ned then Robb wore before they were killed.



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This is pretty cool. Game of Thrones broke a record previously held by The West Wing for most Emmy's won in the same year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34311316



http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/game-of-thrones-emmy-wins-record-1201598356/



I think some credit goes to G.R.R. Martin for having such fantastic source material and being very particular about who would be allowed to adapt his work.

In interviews the show runners indicated that G.R.R. Martin asked them a question, over dinner, about a character's heritage as if it was a make or break test question for being allowed to adapt the show. They gave their answer and Mr. Martin seemed satisfied

Looks like G.R.R. Martin chose well, based on this new record.



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I've heard that story as well. Kind of stupid way to choose your television production team IMO (doesn't reveal anything about actual television show-making ability), but what do I know. They ended up doing a fine job with it.

Not sure how I feel about GoT's emmy record. I love me some GoT, but I don't think it's one of the greatest television show of all time. I chalk it up to the fantasy genre being more amenable to winning more of the "minor" Emmy categories, like visual effects, sound, music, costumes, etc.
 

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Hell. i feel like GoT is one of the very rare times the TV/movie adaptation is better than the actual books.
 

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I've heard that story as well. Kind of stupid way to choose your television production team IMO (doesn't reveal anything about actual television show-making ability), but what do I know.

It's a great way to see if they're paying attention to the story and if they are passionate about the story to do it justice on a television show.


Not sure how I feel about GoT's emmy record. I love me some GoT, but I don't think it's one of the greatest television show of all time.

It's not the greatest no; but I think it is a quality show and the amount of Emmy's doesn't correlate to how good a show is compared to other Emmy winning shows...

but if someone says "but it's just a stupid fantasy show watch a a real show like The West Wing...."

I can reply "Which show has more Emmy's?" and be that guys


Another interesting thing is how after Game of Thrones came along is the resurgence of shows featuring shady political figures backstabbing people.

No it's not the best but damn it's a good show. And I like fantasy as well as sci-fi so I'm glad G.R.R. Martin said yes to a t.v. based on his books.

Hell. i feel like GoT is one of the very rare times the TV/movie adaptation is better than the actual books.

I agree and disagree. The story threads in the books, while they can be unwieldy, give the impression of a real world populated by a lot of interesting characters. Additionally some of the things in the books are awesome story details that I miss from the show

But it's almost too much to pay attention to.

The show is great at distilling the sprawling book story to the barest essentials and translating the story to television. Even though there is still a lot in the show and some of the more uptight people have screamed spoilers over something already in the show that they forgot about.
There are some elements in the show isn't in the book. Like the battle at Hardhome.

Both versions of the story have their advantages and disadvantages when compared to one another.



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I will give him that. He does a good job at world building, which is vital to making a fantasy series people (I) want to read. After that it all just falls flat. It's very rare that I don't finish a series once I've started, and I stopped reading GoT a looong time ago. It's just not.... fun.

The show takes the spirit of it and condenses it, then cuts out all the useless drivel that GRRM likes to fill his pages with.
 

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I will give him that. He does a good job at world building, which is vital to making a fantasy series people (I) want to read. After that it all just falls flat. It's very rare that I don't finish a series once I've started, and I stopped reading GoT a looong time ago. It's just not.... fun.

The un-fun is what makes it fun. Normal epic fantasy is so predictable, the heroes are unfailingly noble, the villains are evil through-and-through, one good guy sacrifices himself bravely to save the others and is usually so obviously set up as cannon fodder that he might as well be wearing a red Star Fleet uniform, the forces of light beat the bad guys and everyone is home for dinner. Yawn. It's nice to see the heroes get beat and the bad guys prosper once in a while. It keeps things more interesting.
 
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I will give him that. He does a good job at world building, which is vital to making a fantasy series people (I) want to read. After that it all just falls flat. It's very rare that I don't finish a series once I've started, and I stopped reading GoT a looong time ago. It's just not.... fun.

The show takes the spirit of it and condenses it, then cuts out all the useless drivel that GRRM likes to fill his pages with.

You mean like what color doublet the character is wearing right down the the different color threads? I roll my eyes every time he goes into such pointless detail.
 

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The un-fun is what makes it fun. Normal epic fantasy is so predictable, the heroes are unfailingly noble, the villains are evil through-and-through, one good guy sacrifices himself bravely to save the others and is usually so obviously set up as cannon fodder that he might as well be wearing a red Star Fleet uniform, the forces of light beat the bad guys and everyone is home for dinner. Yawn. It's nice to see the heroes get beat and the bad guys prosper once in a while. It keeps things more interesting.

Except that what you describe has become cliche in GoT. The end result is the same, the only difference is what we're expecting to happen.
 

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Except that what you describe has become cliche in GoT. The end result is the same, the only difference is what we're expecting to happen.

The only series ever to do it is a cliche of itself? ROFL!!!! WTF, is GoT supposed to simply abandon the unique style and become a cliche of 10,000 other fantasy series because being like itself is an even bigger cliche? Did you even bother to try to think that through?
 

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I will give him that. He does a good job at world building, which is vital to making a fantasy series people (I) want to read. After that it all just falls flat. It's very rare that I don't finish a series once I've started, and I stopped reading GoT a looong time ago. It's just not.... fun.

To each their own. All entertainment is mostly subjective anyway the only real metric we can put on books is how many pages, chapters, or words they have and a guesstimate of the time it takes to write them.

After that it is really all subjective. Yeah, I had problems with a Feast for Crows but by and large I do find the books a worthwhile read. Verbose details about food and such aside.

And there are many readers still looking forward to book 5 as well.


Except that what you describe has become cliche in GoT. The end result is the same, the only difference is what we're expecting to happen.

Maybe, it depends on how some story arcs play out. I doubt there will be a LotR style ending.


http://www.geek.com/news/game-of-thrones-panel-slip-up-likely-reveals-jon-snows-fate-1636213/

All three actors were asked which character they’d most like to work with, and Castle-Hughes may have slipped up. She mentioned that she hasn’t had a chance to work with Jon Snow yet, (since she films in Spain) and that she’d like to work with him in the future. She was quick to clarify, “He’s dead so you couldn’t possibly work with him anymore.” Yeah, sure he is. Fans of both the book and show are strongly expecting Jon Snow to be alive despite the way last season ended, either by having warged into Ghost or because he’ll be resurrected by Melisandre.


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All three actors were asked which character they’d most like to work with, and Castle-Hughes may have slipped up. She mentioned that she hasn’t had a chance to work with Jon Snow yet, (since she films in Spain) and that she’d like to work with him in the future. She was quick to clarify, “He’s dead so you couldn’t possibly work with him anymore.” Yeah, sure he is. Fans of both the book and show are strongly expecting Jon Snow to be alive despite the way last season ended, either by having warged into Ghost or because he’ll be resurrected by Melisandre.

It's just a matter of time. 1st episode won't have him in the opening credits but one of the subsequent will. Not only will Kit be listed in the opening credits, it's also a matter of time when his house sigil will change to this:

 

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You mean like what color doublet the character is wearing right down the the different color threads? I roll my eyes every time he goes into such pointless detail.

The books do tend to get that way.

Once upon a time SciFi/Fantasy/Speculative Fiction writers were also paid by the word also, so it may be a bit of an old habit.

Concentrating that down to the TV series has worked out well though.
 
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You mean like what color doublet the character is wearing right down the the different color threads? I roll my eyes every time he goes into such pointless detail.

Do yourself a favor, don't read The Wheel of Time series. Entire books are taken up with descriptions of hair and dress styles. Besides, GRRM isn't too bad about clothes, he's far more likely to go off on 10 page tangents about meals.
 

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Interesting video series that covers the history of Targaryens and dragons along with
not revealed in the show hints that the Maesters have been active in removing the dragons as a weapon from the Targaryens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCj4TtnmNW4
^first part

Very good as a refresher on the Targaryens.



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Supposedly this is cell phone video footage of a flashback scene from GoT being filmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8L51JvwaVo

It could be fake, but a landmark from a known shooting location is visible behind the people in the video.

*If* it is real it is kind of a spoiler because Ned never went into detail about how Howland Reed helped him win a fight he should have lost.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXSSBu9uKrM

But you didn't have to kill them off
George R.R. Martin, why are you such a sadistic bastard?
I went through a whole tissue box,
And my friends who read the books say that there's worse to come.

~snip~

And then you go after Khal Drogo?
Goddamnit, Martin, I was finally starting to ship them.
C'mon, he was her sun and stars!
He got a goddamn papercut, are you for real?

Don't know if this was posted before but I find it amusing.



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MongGrel

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Supposedly this is cell phone video footage of a flashback scene from GoT being filmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8L51JvwaVo

It could be fake, but a landmark from a known shooting location is visible behind the people in the video.

*If* it is real it is kind of a spoiler because Ned never went into detail about how Howland Reed helped him win a fight he should have lost



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Interesting, the poster went Recon to get what looks like an interesting flashback scene there. All that trouble and still a vertical video
 
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Interesting, the poster went Recon to get what looks like an interesting flashback scene there. All that trouble and still a vertical video

Yep...

Meanwhile in another (sci/fi)fantasy universe





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GagHalfrunt

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I'd missed that one, the wife will get a kick out of it. She was upset when Karl Drogo bit the dust.

George R.R. Martin misses 'Winter' deadline


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/03/e...rtin-game-of-thrones-deadline-feat/index.html

That's about as surprising as hearing that the sun will rise in the east and set in the west tomorrow. Of course he was going to miss the deadline, there was never even the slightest chance that he would not miss the deadline. I'd be shocked if he finished TWOW before season 7 starts. Now that he's officially missed the deadline and can't make it he'll spend eight months blogging about the NFL playoffs and attending comic book conventions before he writes another word. So come fall he'll be right back in the same boat.

What's interesting is that now the GOT/ASOIAF threads on ATOT will be forced to flip. The book thread will be the no spoilers zone and the TV thread will be where people discuss what has already happened. Oddly, it will probably be the same people with their panties in a bunch every week about what is and isn't a spoiler.
 

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That's about as surprising as hearing that the sun will rise in the east and set in the west tomorrow. Of course he was going to miss the deadline, there was never even the slightest chance that he would not miss the deadline. I'd be shocked if he finished TWOW before season 7 starts. Now that he's officially missed the deadline and can't make it he'll spend eight months blogging about the NFL playoffs and attending comic book conventions before he writes another word. So come fall he'll be right back in the same boat.

What's interesting is that now the GOT/ASOIAF threads on ATOT will be forced to flip. The book thread will be the no spoilers zone and the TV thread will be where people discuss what has already happened. Oddly, it will probably be the same people with their panties in a bunch every week about what is and isn't a spoiler.

Quite honestly, fuck him.
I won't read any more books at this point. I'll watch the series and that's it.
He really screwed over the readers -- you know the ones that allowed him to eat and get fat/sloth like for years.
 
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