A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

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Looking at the preview for episode 3 of season 6 I'm kind of disappointed that they changed Ser Arthur Dayne from wielding a 2-Hander to being a dual weapon wielder.

Still looking forward to tonight's episode though


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GagHalfrunt

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Looking at the preview for episode 3 of season 6 I'm kind of disappointed that they changed Ser Arthur Dayne from wielding a 2-Hander to being a dual weapon wielder.

Still looking forward to tonight's episode though


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That's sacrilege! Arthur Dayne carried a greatsword named Dawn. Giving him 2 smaller swords would be like giving Drizzt Do'Urden a BB gun. It changes the character.
 

Fire&Blood

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True. I get that a lot of content can't make it into 10 hour seasons but I don't see how sticking to book AD would have taken longer or why two swords have to be cooler. Puzzling since they made sure the actor portraying young Ned has matching accent to Sean Bean but they drop continuity on other things.

Most people aren't aware of book purists such as Elio and Linda from westeros.org. There is purist documentary coming next week, they even took up the internetremembers.com domain for it. Here is a trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMujSdkOX5w
 

Fire&Blood

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The show conflicts it's own intentions. D&D and others responsible for the show have talked many times about restraints imposed on the production. They have 10 hours per season to tell the saga and while increasing the season count helps, there are many static scenes that just take up precious time. 2 minutes for the intro at the beginning, minute and a half for credits at the end and the show still doesn't get close to the full hour. And yet they break up the Tower of Joy scene into multiple episodes. Then there is breaking down the scenes for casuals that feels forced but they could have easily given some scenes more time so that the breakdowns for casuals wouldn't feel as forced as they do.

They clearly have trouble pacing the scenes, I try to give them a pass since books don't easily convert to TV but many scenes fall flat and just end up being annoying. The Daenerys scene fell flat and felt like filler. Sam and Gilly scene should have been much shorter, it felt like it was dragged out. It's as if the producers can't decide between "we need another season to wrap it up" and "we don't have enough to fill an hour" on the other end.

Another thing was the Tower of Joy flashback. The books make it clear that when Bran visits the past as greenseer, he is strictly an observer. I sure hope it was as 3ER described it, "Maybe he heard the wind" and "The past is already written, the ink is dry". It's puzzling that they would put that in, altering the past even with minor details would have huge ripples in the present and the future. I hope they were just trying to add more tension to the scene.
 

Chiropteran

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The books make it clear that when Bran visits the past as greenseer, he is strictly an observer.

This is incorrect. In the book he yells out to Theon and Theon can hear something, so this is not purely a show invention.

It does seem like it could go down a slippery slope into crazy time-travel paradoxes pretty quick, wondering how they are going to avoid getting stuck on that path.
 

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This is incorrect. In the book he yells out to Theon and Theon can hear something, so this is not purely a show invention.

It does seem like it could go down a slippery slope into crazy time-travel paradoxes pretty quick, wondering how they are going to avoid getting stuck on that path.

Are you referring to one of Theon's later chapters in ADWD? I thought it was just Theon's crazy talk, the Ghost of Winterfell chapter portrays Theon as going crazy, at least it read like that to me and the Bloodraven also tells to Bran:

"He heard a whisper on the wind, a rustling amongst the leaves. You cannot speak to him, try as you might. I know. I have my own ghosts, Bran. A brother that I loved, a brother that I hated, a woman that I desired. Through the trees, I see them still, but no word of mine has ever reached them. The past remains the past. We can learn from it, but we cannot change it."

You are probably right though because in ACOK, when Bran reaches out to Jon:

Jon? The call came from behind him, softer than a whisper, but strong too. Can a shout be silent? He turned his head, searching for his brother, for a glimpse of a lean grey shape moving beneath the trees, but there was nothing, only ... A weirwood. It seemed to sprout from solid rock, its pale roots twisting up from a myriad of fissures and hairline cracks. The tree was slender compared to other weirwoods he had seen, no more than a sapling, yet it was growing as he watched, its limbs thickening as they reached for the sky. Wary, he circled the smooth white trunk until he came to the face. Red eyes looked at him. Fierce eyes they were, yet glad to see him. The weirwood had his brother’s face. Had his brother always had three eyes? Not always, came the silent shout. Not before the crow. He sniffed at the bark, smelled wolf and tree and boy, but behind that there were other scents, the rich brown smell of warm earth and the hard grey smell of stone and something else, something terrible. Death, he knew. He was smelling death. He cringed back, his hair bristling, and bared his fangs. Don’t be afraid, I like it in the dark. No one can see you, but you can see them. But first you have to open your eyes. See? Like this. And the tree reached down and touched him.

The last thing needed is a time paradox. Bran calling out to Ned can cause delays in his progression that even if the delays caused by Bran with Ned stopping to investigate don't have direct impact on events (such as Ned's psyche affected or having Bran with Cat to begin with) there is no telling what the ripple effect could be. For example, even if timeline remains mostly preserved, Bran could be late to make the climb and hence not catch Jaime and Cersei in the act or catch them in a way where he can climb down and basically nuke the storyline as we know it.
 

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I posted this in the non-spoiler thread too:

Why did the Greatjon turn Rickon over to Ramsay? He has to be pissed at the Boltons for their part in the Red Wedding, when his dad was killed. I'm surprised Ramsay didn't slit Rickon's throat right away. A male Stark heir is just too much of a threat.

I'm trying to reconcile these events with the Frey pies from the book. I thought I read that Manderly had been cast for this season.
 

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I'm really confused about that as well, mainly because from the beginning I though that Rickon would have a major part in the story going forward. In the book I think he is on the Isle of Skagos and I figured he would return with reinforcements at a crucial time. It doesn't make sense that it is a ruse since Ramsay is such a wild card that he could do just about anything with him. Unless it is imposters standing in for Rickon and Osha and they are sort of doing what the books did with Sansa. Osha isn't acting like she normally would if captured. If it is Rickon and that was Shaggydogs head then I have no clue what his storyline is going forward.

My best guess it that him being alive would be the impetus for the north to rally with the wildlings under Jon to save the heir to the north? Wow is that a stretch.
 

GagHalfrunt

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My best guess it that him being alive would be the impetus for the north to rally with the wildlings under Jon to save the heir to the north? Wow is that a stretch.

Not only is it a stretch, it's absolutely impossible. If the north was to rally around a Stark heir the Umbers would not hand that heir over to the person who has the most to gain by him being dead. The north rallies around Rickon without Ramsay having him, so we know that isn't the reason. Ramsay needed Sansa alive and Bran/Rickon dead, that was the only way he could win.
 

GagHalfrunt

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This could be something, it could be nothing, but it's interesting nevertheless:

http://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/20/did-game-of-thrones-cast-reveal-spoilers-playing-harmless-game/

Maisie and Sophie engaged in the Faceless Mens game of Two Truths and a Lie with some reporters and if they were actually following the rules it provides some fun clues going forward.

Sophie:

Ramsay dies.
Lady Stoneheart returns.
Arya checks three people off her list.



Maisie:

Arya goes to Westeros, back over the sea.
Arya is in the trailer more times than people have realized, because they don’t realize it’s her.
Arya doesn’t cross any more names off her list.

I hope the bolded one is a truth.
 
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wetech

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Latest episode of the show had Sansa sending Briene to the Riverlands. I'm wondering if this leads to Lady Stoneheart.
 

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While the books differ from the show, it's safe to say show is spoiling future books much like books did with the show. I was worried with the time travel teases, made peace eventually with the "minor" ripples caused by time travel in the books.

Bran the Builder, causing one paradox after another... I want to see how you untangle that, George.
 
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