A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

[nageov3t]

I really want to reread the entire series, but it seems like such a waste until the final books come out because I'll just have forgotten everything again by that point.

there are so many details which I'd have no recollection of if not for the wiki's.

 

[blankslate]

I really want to reread the entire series, but it seems like such a waste until the final books come out because I'll just have forgotten everything again by that point.

there are so many details which I'd have no recollection of if not for the wiki's.

I've read them once, but certain chapters I've read several times especially after an acquaintance pointed out certain theories to me.

While cutting down some tropes GRR Martin seems to have a lot of foreshadowing concerning certain things. Probably because he's going to twist certain fantasy tropes into pretzels rather than totally go against them.

but the Honest Trailer for Game of Thrones on youtube does bring up a concern about the books.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK9Y...eature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_3617385137

So being the epic journey so long and complicated that we really hope the creator doesn't eat himself to death before finishing it

there's a spoiler version of the trailer but the "spoiler free" one is a bit funnier because of all the bleeps.


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[crashtestdummy]

Reading the wiki it does look like LF is the main bad guy. I must have missed that somehow.

He had Jon Arryn killed by Lysa and then blamed the Lannisters.

He had Joffrey killed with the help of the Tyrells.

Cersei and one of the Lannister cousins helped get Robert killed though with the strong wine.

I think there are two ways to look at Littlefinger. On the one hand, he's incredibly brutal to other Nobles, and has no qualms about deceiving and killing them if it suits his needs.

On the other hand, if you're an Average Joe living in some random village, he's done all of his power grabbing without wars and armies. If I'm going to be ruled by a despot, I'd much rather it be one that kills all the other nobles in the dead of night than an "honorable" one that expects me to follow him/her into battle and die for their family dispute.

 

[smackababy]

I think there are two ways to look at Littlefinger. On the one hand, he's incredibly brutal to other Nobles, and has no qualms about deceiving and killing them if it suits his needs.

On the other hand, if you're an Average Joe living in some random village, he's done all of his power grabbing without wars and armies. If I'm going to be ruled by a despot, I'd much rather it be one that kills all the other nobles in the dead of night than an "honorable" one that expects me to follow him/her into battle and die for their family dispute.

That is what makes him an interesting character. The throne has been won via war many times before, and it always hurts the peasants more than anyone. LF does this without having a lot of unnecessary death of peasants, although I think this is mostly due to him not having command of any army. He uses limited resources available to him and gets other to do a lot of his own work (Starks, Lannisters, Tyrells, etc) without them knowing it is even in his service.

 

[BladeVenom]

Did anyone mention that it was probably Littlefinger who manipulated Joffrey into executing Ned. Littlefinger was the only one on the council who was not surprised by Joffrey's order.

 

[MongGrel]

Little Finger got he's butt kicked over Cat earlier in life over his obsession with her, remember about his little analogy about how the little guy should triumph when he was young and naive. Then he got his butt handed to him and developed a really vindictive streak of course.

"I'm going to fuck them all" I believe he said in the whore house I believe at the time when a couple of the girls were playing around while he was critiquing them.

And a mockingbird for a sigil, he's mocking and backstabbing and plotting against in his own interests of course.

Manipulating people is his MO.

 

[MongGrel]

BTW, on of my favorite lines was "If you're a famous smuggler you're not doing it right".

that and "I don't think I can kill 100 Wildlings"

 

[BladeVenom]

BTW, on of my favorite lines was "If you're a famous smuggler you're not doing it right".

 

[MongGrel]

 

[MongGrel]

Ah finally the new one.

http://happyplace.someecards.com/30782/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-4-episode-3

 

[MongGrel]

And one of the reasons people over in the other thread are using spoiler block so much in the other thread is because of the witch hunts there, and erratic crap.

Even when things have happened.

And even when I know are posers that have read.

The only thing I ever said was Weddings are always interesting, and that was after the Red Wedding that had all ready occured.

And post the word Shea and rolling my eyes icon, and damned she's still alive.

Funny I was witch hunted out of the other thread for those two things.

Bunch of over reactionary BS.

 

[MongGrel]

John dies later btw.

 

[Merad]

Did anyone mention that it was probably Littlefinger who manipulated Joffrey into executing Ned. Littlefinger was the only one on the council who was not surprised by Joffrey's order.

Source for this reasoning? I don't really see LF having any motivation to kill Ned. He's smart enough to know that he isn't going to have a chance to get with Cat, even if Ned is out of the picture. He's also smart enough to know that politically, Ned in the watch is as good for him as Ned begin dead, because Ned's a stubborn and honorable bastard who will hold to his vows.

Nah, I think giving Ned a date with Ser Ilyn was 100% Joff. Petyr knows how to lay the game and he also knows that Joff is a budding psychopath, so I'd say he either genuinely thought that might happen, or was just able to avoid visibly showing surprise.

 

[BladeVenom]

Source for this reasoning?

Watch the episode again. LF is standing there with a smile while everyone else is serious. When the order is given, everyone else is surprised and panicks. LF doesn't even flinch. LF knew it was coming, since he's probably the one who goaded Joffrey into it.

I don't really see LF having any motivation to kill Ned.

Chaos. It's a ladder.

He's smart enough to know that he isn't going to have a chance to get with Cat, even if Ned is out of the picture.

Yet he still hits on her when delivering Ned's bones. So he was still hopeful.

He should have been smart enough to know he'd never be allowed by Hoster Tully to marry her, and that he'd never be able to beat Brandon in combat, yet he challenged him anyways.

Desire overrides common sense.

He's also smart enough to know that politically, Ned in the watch is as good for him as Ned begin dead, because Ned's a stubborn and honorable bastard who will hold to his vows.

If Ned survived, the North might make peace. That doesn't benefit Littlefinger. While war might provide more opportunities for him.

 

[bononos]

How in the world did I miss all that!?

I wouldn't be too surprised. Arryn's murder was revealed in 1 sentence on the last page of the 2nd last chapter in SOS(book3). I missed a few things while speed reading AFFC which was the relatively boring book and found them in the wikia.

 

[quikah]

John dies later btw.

No proof of that, he is still alive at the end of ADWD.

 

[Merad]

Watch the episode again. LF is standing there with a smile while everyone else is serious. When the order is given, everyone else is surprised and panicks. LF doesn't even flinch. LF knew it was coming, since he's probably the one who goaded Joffrey into it.

That's extremely thin reasoning. LF always stands there with a smile on his face. Also, he's not in the shot when Joff announces the execution, and he isn't shown again until about a minute later. So we don't actually get to see his reaction.

 

[Merad]

No proof of that, he is still alive at the end of ADWD.

I have a strong feeling that he will die at the beginning of TWOW and be brought back by Melisandre. There's no way that he's gone for good, IMO (even as much as GRRM loves killing off Starks).

 

[wetech]

And one of the reasons people over in the other thread are using spoiler block so much in the other thread is because of the witch hunts there, and erratic crap.

Even when things have happened.

And even when I know are posers that have read.

The only thing I ever said was Weddings are always interesting, and that was after the Red Wedding that had all ready occured.

And post the word Shea and rolling my eyes icon, and damned she's still alive.

Funny I was witch hunted out of the other thread for those two things.

Bunch of over reactionary BS.

you're really trying to downplay how you gave out blatant spoilers in that thread. It wasn't rolling eyes. You replied basically directly to someone saying they wanted Shae's character to die with this:

As far as Shae.
:whiste:

I'm awaiting Joffrey's wedding, weddings on this show have a habit of being real interesting.

I'll leave it at that.

It's pretty obvious what you meant by that. The only weddings in the show up to this point were the Red Wedding and Tyrion's (where nothing happened). Were people supposed to think that by "habit of being real interesting" you meant that it would be a nice party?

 

[Gooberlx2]

I have a strong feeling that he will die at the beginning of TWOW and be brought back by Melisandre. There's no way that he's gone for good, IMO (even as much as GRRM loves killing off Starks).

Either this or he wargs into Ghost....or a combination. I think Melisandre's interest in him is a hint that she could be reconsidering her position on the identity of Azor Ahai.

 

[smackababy]

Either this or he wargs into Ghost....or a combination. I think Melisandre's interest in him is a hint that she could be reconsidering her position on the identity of Azor Ahai.

Jon could be Azor Ahai. Wouldn't it be anti climactic if we find out it was Dany's son that was supposed to be born and save everyone, but that damn witch and her blood magic doomed everyone!

 

[Poulsonator]

 

[MongGrel]

No proof of that, he is still alive at the end of ADWD.

There was another reason for that one actually, but I'm aware of that also

Just for anyone that might be peeking in from the other thread on the sly actually, as they apparently are.

 

[MongGrel]

you're really trying to downplay how you gave out blatant spoilers in that thread. It wasn't rolling eyes. You replied basically directly to someone saying they wanted Shae's character to die with this:



It's pretty obvious what you meant by that. The only weddings in the show up to this point were the Red Wedding and Tyrion's (where nothing happened). Were people supposed to think that by "habit of being real interesting" you meant that it would be a nice party?

And you're saying the other two weren't real interesting then I take it?

That and people saying it would be a good idea to watch the next episode as it's really major ??????

Wouldn't that be an even bigger spoiler??????

My bad I was whistlling instead.

And also she's still alive.

Yep, that sure was a huge spoiler.

Not really anything to downplay.

 

[MongGrel]

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