A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones - HERE BE SPOILERS

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Lifer
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So, Night's King aside, was I the only person disappointed that Grey Worm was sneaking in Mereen and not Barristan and Jorah? Wasn't that the suicide mission to atone for their treachery?

Plus I would take it the slaves would prefer to hear the speech from other ex-slaves.
 

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Didn't the hound eventually die(allegedly) from the wounds he received in the brawl at the inn? He didn't seem to messed up as they were leaving. I wonder if they are going to drastically change his story as well.
 

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Didn't the hound eventually die(allegedly) from the wounds he received in the brawl at the inn? He didn't seem to messed up as they were leaving. I wonder if they are going to drastically change his story as well.

In the preview for the next episode, it shows Arya looking to be stabbing the Hound with Needle. So, they could use that. And, I always took it as the person of "the Hound" died, but Sandor lived on.

Plus I would take it the slaves would prefer to hear the speech from other ex-slaves.
I think it worked, it just doesn't move Jorah's future storyline at all. And, they completely ignored the city was besiege and the sewer was supposed to be a suicide mission.
 

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I think they have done away entirely with Jorah's banishment form Dany's presence. When tyrion crosses the narrow sea he will likely just wide up going straight to mereen. No penny, no pretty pig, no jorah and tyrion.
 

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I sure hope not. They can't possibly be that hard up on cutting material. However, they have used the Second Sons already (who are under Dany's command now), so it would be strange for Jorah and Tyrion to join up and attempt to convince them to switch sides.
 

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I'm assuming bran is going to warg into hodor and absolutely fuck shit up.

Also, I'm guessing they are leaving cold hands out because if he was in the show it would definitely let people know if it is benjen stark or not.

I don't remember them needing to go to crasters keep to silence the mutineers is that a major departure from the books or have I just forgotten?
I was thinking the same myself, seems a departure.
 

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So, Night's King aside, was I the only person disappointed that Grey Worm was sneaking in Mereen and not Barristan and Jorah? Wasn't that the suicide mission to atone for their treachery?
I'd tend to think he'd blend in a bit more, and probably someone they'd actually listen to at face value at short notice convincingly.

Plus I would take it the slaves would prefer to hear the speech from other ex-slaves.

Exactly +1
 
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If he was done CG they wouldn't have to credit the actor until it's actually his likeness I would think.
Even is it wasn't CG, there have been many movies with uncredited actors in them that are famous.

Depends on whether they want to push for it, in a case like this they could just go along with it as it's a series and not worry about being credited at the time.
 

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In the preview for the next episode, it shows Arya looking to be stabbing the Hound with Needle. So, they could use that. And, I always took it as the person of "the Hound" died, but Sandor lived on.


I think it worked, it just doesn't move Jorah's future storyline at all. And, they completely ignored the city was besiege and the sewer was supposed to be a suicide mission.
She does need a reason to start heading to Bravos, and she does think him "The Biggest Shit in the Seven Kingdoms".

He used to be on her nightly shit list of prayers, probably is right back at the top these days.

Newly grabbed Silver and a boat ride ?
 
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I think they have done away entirely with Jorah's banishment form Dany's presence. When tyrion crosses the narrow sea he will likely just wide up going straight to mereen. No penny, no pretty pig, no jorah and tyrion.
I could see a lot of that being trimmed myself, as they have trimmed a lot out of his storyline in the past all ready if it's filler.
 

Majcric

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I'm really enjoying this great series and unfortunately have watched all available episodes. I don't feel like waiting so my question is which book will pick up right after king Jeoffry's death?
 

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I'm really enjoying this great series and unfortunately have watched all available episodes. I don't feel like waiting so my question is which book will pick up right after king Jeoffry's death?

Joffrey's death happens around the halfway point of book 3, a Storm of Swords...or a little after. My recommendation would be to start the books from scratch if you intend to continue past the show. Too much is different between the show and books, some stuff won't make sense or the continuity too far apart.
 

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I'm really enjoying this great series and unfortunately have watched all available episodes. I don't feel like waiting so my question is which book will pick up right after king Jeoffry's death?

His death was in book 3, and the show is still in book 3. The remainder of the season will be the remainder of book 3 as well.
 

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I had forgotten that as well. I'm guessing that this means that Coldhands will not appear. I've always thought it was Benjen Stark and they probably don't want to reveal it in the show and are perhaps saving it for the books. I'm a little wary of the show now because of possible book spoilers. I am always amazed at how much of those books I can forget over such a short amount of time.
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The books made out Coldhands to be some undead creature who doesn't eat and couldn't pass the magical barrier at the greenseer. Did you also think that Benjen turned into a whitewalker but retained his senses?
 

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The books made out Coldhands to be some undead creature who doesn't eat and couldn't pass the magical barrier at the greenseer. Did you also think that Benjen turned into a whitewalker but retained his senses?

That's what most people who have read the books think. Its what I immediately thought when a benevolent undead sought to watch over bran north of the wall.
 

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Wow, how about them apples? Us book readers got some major new material...we got to see the Night's King!

Now we need another thread. ASOIAF book thread with no spoilers from the TV show. The books never actually said the white walkers were turning the babies into white walkers. Although many presumed it, they could have also been just eating them.
 

MongGrel

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There's no proof, but it does make sense. Littlefinger was behind Jon Arynn's death. So it wouldn't be surprising for him to be behind Ned's.

Littlefinger betrayed Ned, not something he'd want Catelyn to know. Dead men tell no tales.

Littlefinger's main goal was keeping Stannis off the Iron Throne. If Ned had lived, he might have told Robb that Stannis was the true heir. Robb might have joined Stannis which is not something Littlefinger wanted.

It's speculation, but it does fit the situation and character to a T.
I'm pretty sure there are two variants of the white walkers btw, you'll know what I mean.

The master ones that use the live babies to make more White Walkers, and the dead people that make the dumb Zombie types they command as they move along, I'd always gotten the impression from the books that were the ones called "The Others"

I could be wrong but that was always the way it worked in my head.

And when I saw him turn the baby into a White Walker I wasn't surprised, I even told the wife ahead of time "Watch this he'll, probably turn him into a White Walker".
 

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I'm guessing that this means that Coldhands will not appear. I've always thought it was Benjen Stark and they probably don't want to reveal it in the show and are perhaps saving it for the books.

I don't think it was Benjen. He might have seemed the most likely candidate before, but after ADWD it seems unlikely.

Before ADWD, no one who knew Benjen had seen Coldhands. During ADWD Bran spends a lot of time with him, and didn't think he was Benjen. He only had a scarf over his face, not enough to conceal his identity from someone he's related to. A scarf also wouldn't conceal his voice.

One of the children of the forest said that Coldhands died a long time ago. When you consider how old they live, a long time ago to them, would be a very long time ago.

When Coldhands kills his Elk, he says a prayer in a language Bran doesn't recognize, most likely the Old Tongue. That does help rule out Benjen, and makes it more likely that Coldhands is from the distant past.

Coldhands being ancient, does explain why he knows about the Black Gate at the Nightfort, which has been abandoned for 200+ years.

If he was old enough to have fought against the others, it would also makes it likely that he's the one who buried the dragon glass and the Horn of Joramun.

Joramun, the Night's King, or the last hero all seem more likely candidates to be Coldhands than Benjen.

When asked who he was, he said, "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark." He was talking to Brandon, but you could read that as he himself is a Brandon Stark from long ago. Brandon was a popular Stark name.
 

bononos

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That's what most people who have read the books think. Its what I immediately thought when a benevolent undead sought to watch over bran north of the wall.

Do you mean that they think that it was Benjen or a 'good' whitewalker of unknown previous identity?
 

MongGrel

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I don't think it was Benjen. He might have seemed the most likely candidate before, but after ADWD it seems unlikely.

Before ADWD, no one who knew Benjen had seen Coldhands. During ADWD Bran spends a lot of time with him, and didn't think he was Benjen. He only had a scarf over his face, not enough to conceal his identity from someone he's related to. A scarf also wouldn't conceal his voice.

One of the children of the forest said that Coldhands died a long time ago. When you consider how old they live, a long time ago to them, would be a very long time ago.

When Coldhands kills his Elk, he says a prayer in a language Bran doesn't recognize, most likely the Old Tongue. That does help rule out Benjen, and makes it more likely that Coldhands is from the distant past.

Coldhands being ancient, does explain why he knows about the Black Gate at the Nightfort, which has been abandoned for 200+ years.

If he was old enough to have fought against the others, it would also makes it likely that he's the one who buried the dragon glass and the Horn of Joramun.

Joramun, the Night's King, or the last hero all seem more likely candidates to be Coldhands than Benjen.

When asked who he was, he said, "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark." He was talking to Brandon, but you could read that as he himself is a Brandon Stark from long ago. Brandon was a popular Stark name.
Frig I might have to drag the books out again yet he he.
 

blankslate

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Now we need another thread. ASOIAF book thread with no spoilers from the TV show. The books never actually said the white walkers were turning the babies into white walkers. Although many presumed it, they could have also been just eating them.

If you keep mentioning the show some might get all emotional and drama-queenish and try to start a campaign to ban you from this forum


too soon?



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I am interested in seeing how Jon's knowledge of Bran (afaik he doesn't know that Bran or Rickon are alive in the books) will affect the show story line in comparison with the books.
the appearance of the night's king was very cool but it also calls into question part of my crackpot theory about Jon and Warging

Very cool episode though. Especially (imo) if you have read the books beforehand.



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I am interested in seeing how Jon's knowledge of Bran (afaik he doesn't know that Bran or Rickon are alive in the books) will affect the show story line in comparison with the books.

That's one of the changes I don't get. If Jon knows they're alive, you'd think he'd be trying to get them both back by any means necessary for the rest of the story.
 

blankslate

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That's one of the changes I don't get. If Jon knows they're alive, you'd think he'd be trying to get them both back by any means necessary for the rest of the story.


I don't know but it also changes Sam's character in a way that I'm not sure of either. Bran made him swear not to tell Jon, and he did. We'll have to see how it plays out. Obviously since Coldhands didn't take care of the outlaw members someone else needs to. Maybe they had Sam tell Jon because their only option (without Coldhands) has Jon finding out anyways.


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