A warning against A New American Attack On Iraq

[row]

Iraq- the stupidest military adventure since Vietnam.

so said all the democrats that voted for it :hmm:

The pooch was screwed long before Obama took office.

well i hear that muslims have an affinity for goats. maybe berries appreciation of all things islamic has influenced his sexual predication to the point he's screwing poochs, he does eat them after all...working his way towards hoofed mammals. similar i bet to berrie's "evolution " on gay marriage.

interesting concept! sounds like you might have some personal experience or first hand knowledge?

Neocon arrogance & ineptitude made it that way, unleashing forces they couldn't predict or control, and neither can the Obama Admin.

see above

We didn't minimize their differences- we intensified them by destroying their society & govt, replacing it with chaos. That's what we accomplished. We sure as Hell can't undo that, and I doubt that we can do any better, either.

i suppose there are some who believe saddam hussien was better left in power? they just don't happen to live in iraq. the kurds? maybe, i'm sure they have fond memories of chemical weapons. i'd further hazard to guess that non-ba'athist or non-Arab inclined (most notably those of Shi'ite faith) probably were ok with the change too?

i wonder what possessed the iraqi's to choose their own form of government and vote in overwhelming numbers? probably all the U.S. troops there with weapons trained on the hapless goat herders!

did i happen to mention you don't seem to bright jhhn? no. well good, because it wouldn't be true. you're much closer to being straight up fuckin stupid

 

[Zorkorist]

This is no silly political exercise... this is Al Qaeda, Extremist Muslims, taking over Iraq.

-John

 

[Jhhnn]

so said all the democrats that voted for it :hmm:

9/11 was fashioned into a political bludgeon used against all enemies, foreign & domestic. The relentless propaganda campaign & the timing of the Iraq resolution made standing against it political suicide.

well i hear that muslims have an affinity for goats. maybe berries appreciation of all things islamic has influenced his sexual predication to the point he's screwing poochs, he does eat them after all...working his way towards hoofed mammals. similar i bet to berrie's "evolution " on gay marriage.

interesting concept! sounds like you might have some personal experience or first hand knowledge?

see above

Personal attack so soon? How desperate are you?

i suppose there are some who believe saddam hussien was better left in power? they just don't happen to live in iraq. the kurds? maybe, i'm sure they have fond memories of chemical weapons. i'd further hazard to guess that non-ba'athist or non-Arab inclined (most notably those of Shi'ite faith) probably were ok with the change too?

i wonder what possessed the iraqi's to choose their own form of government and vote in overwhelming numbers? probably all the U.S. troop there with weapons trained on the hapless goat herders!

did i happen to mention you don't seem to bright jhhn? no. well good, because it wouldn't be true. you're much closer to being straight up fuckin stupid

More personal attack as substitute for reason- standard denialist fare, discrediting any argument you might make.

The Baathist govt didn't need to be destroyed, leveled, obliterated but rather decapitated & reformed. It was a socialist country, highly dependent on central authority for all matters of distribution & civil order, basic services. we destroyed that, handed out small arms to all the factions like candy at halloween, told them that the others were out to destroy them.

And now, of course, the same voices intent on creating a Neocon Utopia at the time now wring their hands in mock horror at what they created, demand even more intervention as if that'll solve anything at all.

We unleashed forces beyond our control in a stupid & arrogant way that only Neocons could devise, & now we have to live with the results.

 

[Zorkorist]

Blame America, much?

-John

 

[sportage]

This is my problem with Obama. He's too nice. Too controlled. To reluctant to confront his adversaries.
And thus you get the McCain's and the john boehner's appearing to gain th high ground with crazed statements and flat out lies. Naturally the news media isn't going to question the accuracy of those statements. And you ask why doesn't Obama tell these schmucks to shove it?
If I were Obama I'd remind john McCain that McCain lost the election.
And I would add, if McCain wants to suggest another route with Iraq that john can run in 2016 and do it his way.
But until then we are doing to my way.
I can not imagine our nation if John McCain were president.
All the times during the last years where Johnny war hawk has insisted we use troups for every world incident.
I can not imagine stretching our forces so thin that Putin might actually believe he could challenge America by direct conflict. Which would be entirely posdible "if" Johnny war hawk were president.

Besides all that, you have to first question McCain's judgment and mental stability. After all it was old Johnny that chose Sarah Palin as his running mate.
That alone brings his mental ability into question.

 

[Zorkorist]

You understand that we are simply criticizing Obama.

He has all the power in the world, as the President of the United States of America.

It's not anyone else causing Obama to fail, but Obama.

-John

 

[Meghan54]

so said all the democrats that voted for it :hmm:

True, some Democrats voted for it, after being told a boatload of lies, misinformation and incorrect propaganda by the administration in power at the time.

How about all the Dems and Repubs that voted against it?

Remember a few things......the then in power administration initially tried to drum up war support by tying Hussein to 9/11. When that began to unravel as untrue, the focus shifted to WMD's.

Remember Rumsfield's "We know where they (WMD's) are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." proclamation?

Guess how many they found?


Ever wonder why George H. Bush didn't complete the Iraq invasion after throwing Iraq troops out of Kuwait? The world certainly was on "our" side in that military action, much more than during GWB's Iraq war.

I tend to believe that GHB knew the ultimate conclusion of throwing out Hussein would be what we have today, the Muslim radicals from elsewhere in the region taking over the country. I think he knew the devil we knew was much more preferable to the unintended consequence of Muslim takeover of Iraq. Too bad GWB never understood that, but of course Rumsfield wanted to "complete" the war GHB didn't, so he got his puppet and did what he wanted.

Removed the only strong moderating force in the Middle East, a force that directly opposed Iran, fought them in a war for 7 years to a standstill...and kept both occupied with each other. True, Hussein wasn't the "nicest" guy on the block, but he certainly wasn't a Muslim sympathizer by any stretch of the imagination.

Too bad GWB refused to look at history or listen to moderating voices within the gov't. and instead just had to essentially open the Middle East up to complete domination by radical Muslims.

And that'll be our legacy, destabilizing the entire region for decades to come. Maybe GWB in his born-again religious fervor thought he was hastening the end times as prophisized in the Bible....seems to be the only decent answer as to why he invaded Iraq so stupidly.

 

[Zebo]

The rest of the world sees our weakness, as projected by Obama. Make no mistake, when our enemies smell fear they will take advantage.

It began with Syria, we should have put down the gauntlet here.

LOL so instead of ISIS controlling a few areas they'd now have Syria too and all her largely destroyed WMDs. Brilliant.

Thank god Obama was in charge instead of you

 

[schmuckley]

@ the OP
The last thing in the world anyone gives two fucks about her opinion is Rachael Maddow.
Let them handle this.

 

[Zorkorist]

True, some Democrats voted for it, after being told a boatload of lies, misinformation and incorrect propaganda by the administration in power at the time.

How about all the Dems and Repubs that voted against it?

Remember a few things......the then in power administration initially tried to drum up war support by tying Hussein to 9/11. When that began to unravel as untrue, the focus shifted to WMD's.

Remember Rumsfield's "We know where they (WMD's) are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." proclamation?

Guess how many they found?


Ever wonder why George H. Bush didn't complete the Iraq invasion after throwing Iraq troops out of Kuwait? The world certainly was on "our" side in that military action, much more than during GWB's Iraq war.

I tend to believe that GHB knew the ultimate conclusion of throwing out Hussein would be what we have today, the Muslim radicals from elsewhere in the region taking over the country. I think he knew the devil we knew was much more preferable to the unintended consequence of Muslim takeover of Iraq. Too bad GWB never understood that, but of course Rumsfield wanted to "complete" the war GHB didn't, so he got his puppet and did what he wanted.

Removed the only strong moderating force in the Middle East, a force that directly opposed Iran, fought them in a war for 7 years to a standstill...and kept both occupied with each other. True, Hussein wasn't the "nicest" guy on the block, but he certainly wasn't a Muslim sympathizer by any stretch of the imagination.

Too bad GWB refused to look at history or listen to moderating voices within the gov't. and instead just had to essentially open the Middle East up to complete domination by radical Muslims.

And that'll be our legacy, destabilizing the entire region for decades to come. Maybe GWB in his born-again religious fervor thought he was hastening the end times as prophisized in the Bible....seems to be the only decent answer as to why he invaded Iraq so stupidly.

Blame America, much?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

LOL so instead of ISIS controlling a few areas they'd now have Syria too and all her largely destroyed WMDs. Brilliant.

Thank god Obama was in charge instead of you

I take it that means that Al Qaeda is NOT advancing in Iraq?

Oh, such a relief!

Fucking rainbows, and beautiful people with their heads cut off.

-John

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No one is going to start an Iraq war V3.0. It's not happening. McCain is complaining because that's what politicians do about the other party. He does bring up a point that things might have been more stable if we had left a residual force to keep Iraq relatively stable. He might have been entirely correct however there are inherent problems even if this is correct in that we could never leave. No, for all the problems which may arise I believe we would be worse off by perpetual occupation. Things may get worse before they get better but we can't be the police force of the world. The question is not if we'll get involved in a war but if we're going to intercede for our purposes and to what degree. That is the true issue here, but again we're not going to have yet another war.

 

[Zorkorist]

We don't have a choice. We are in a war, against Religious Freaks!

They attacked us once, and they certainly will attack us again.

Never mind how fucked up it is to leave their subjects to that crap.

-John

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I take it that means that Al Qaeda is NOT advancing in Iraq?

Oh, such a relief!

Fucking rainbows, and beautiful people with their heads cut off.

-John

I would be surprised if Al Qaeda was not making gains in Iraq, perversely because we gave them the opportunity, but there is really nothing that can be done. We're not going to nuke the region and kill everyone.

 

[Zorkorist]

We can go back in tomorrow.

It wasn't very hard the first time.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The citizens of Iraq would appreciate it.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

2nd times's the charm.

-John

 

[Orignal Earl]

I take it that means that Al Qaeda is NOT advancing in Iraq?

Oh, such a relief!

Fucking rainbows, and beautiful people with their heads cut off.

-John

This is not Al Qaeda raising the shit in Iraq
These guys hate AQ and AQ hates them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

 

[Zebo]

I would be surprised if Al Qaeda was not making gains in Iraq, perversely because we gave them the opportunity, but there is really nothing that can be done. We're not going to nuke the region and kill everyone.

AQ is dead. Amounts to some old doctor in a cave somewhere making pronouncements none listen to. All the Jihadis and by default leadership has gone over to ISIS and it's emir Al Bahgdadi.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...bition-isil-baghdadi-2014612142242188464.html

They are a bit more hardcore than AQ.

 

[Zorkorist]

LOL...

Religion.

-John

 

[MongGrel]

The rest of the world sees our weakness, as projected by Obama. Make no mistake, when our enemies smell fear they will take advantage.

It began with Syria, we should have put down the gauntlet here.

go away twit.

 

[MongGrel]

so said all the democrats that voted for it :hmm:



well i hear that muslims have an affinity for goats. maybe berries appreciation of all things islamic has influenced his sexual predication to the point he's screwing poochs, he does eat them after all...working his way towards hoofed mammals. similar i bet to berrie's "evolution " on gay marriage.

interesting concept! sounds like you might have some personal experience or first hand knowledge?




see above



i suppose there are some who believe saddam hussien was better left in power? they just don't happen to live in iraq. the kurds? maybe, i'm sure they have fond memories of chemical weapons. i'd further hazard to guess that non-ba'athist or non-Arab inclined (most notably those of Shi'ite faith) probably were ok with the change too?

i wonder what possessed the iraqi's to choose their own form of government and vote in overwhelming numbers? probably all the U.S. troop there with weapons trained on the hapless goat herders!

did i happen to mention you don't seem to bright jhhn? no. well good, because it wouldn't be true. you're much closer to being straight up fuckin stupid

Your another new guy needs nuked badly from everything I've seen you post.

Mostly you seem to be in the Stewox range.

 

[TreVader]

Bombs are cheap. Send bombs no huge fiasco is necessary just blow up a few things to make the Hawks happy and leave.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I found your bomb animated

 

[MongGrel]

I found your bomb animated

Cool , I'll steal that

oughta work on making my own tsar bomb gif maybe he he.

Nah too busy at work most days to play around.