A Word for all you religious thread posters...

[Noriaki]

<< ahem - no comment to that one >>

Yeah I think that's a good idea

 

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qacwac;

<... I believe in absolute truth....>

You're lucky, then you don't have to learn any Relativity or Quantum Mechanics. That's gotta be a relief to you.

 

[Napalm381]

Then again, that does speak positively for an absolute speed of light

 

[UG]

Absolutely.

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Though, Truth may be 'light', but Light is not 'truth'.

 

[PsyNinja]

VERY level headed post! I only hope that most people will actually read this!

 

[qacwac]

deleted.

 

[Regine]

That's your truth. Not everybody's.



<< If it's wrong for me it wrong for you. >>


But doing wrong things just feels sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good

 

[Bling Bling]

Geez.....here we go again....

I liked how the post was sticking to it's topic. Props to Whitedog for that.

Let's keep this thread nonreligious and praise Whitedog as much as possible!

 

[qacwac]

Well don't tell the serial rapist to stop raping little girls. It's not wrong for him.

And since no one here seems to understand me, that is not what I really believe. I believe it is absolutely wrong to rape someone. Absolutely wrong for anyone to rape anyone. But it appears that you see no problem with rape and murder. Either that or you depart from your world view and take mine.

That's the way it appears to me with the light I have been given.

 

[Zenmervolt]

WhiteDog: I enjoy a good religious discussion or debate, the problem arises when people start confusing the terms &quot;debate&quot; and &quot;argue&quot;. Dabates air ideas and stimulate the intellect, arguments are designed to disguise ignorance and anger the opposing side. I'm all for religious discussion and debate, just don't turn it into argument.

Aaron Meyer

 

[Regine]

Where did the rapist thing come from?
I find rape and murder as wrong as any normal person would.

And I have no problem with the ten commandments, qacwac. If you remove the religious parts of it, it could be the rules and morals for pretty much any society on the surface of this earth. Do not steal, kill,.....all would be held as moral values.
Just because I do not believe in the same God that you do, doesn't believe that I don't adhere to the other principles.

When I said that wrong things feel so good, in no way was I talking about rape or murder. I was having a little fun, because I knew it would rile you up.

Hehe, sorry WhiteDog. I didn't mean to turn this into a religious thread.

 

[VanDine]

Way to go qacwac, wouldn't mind to strike a discussion with you if I should run into you.

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Logic first

 

[Napalm381]

<< But it appears that you see no problem with rape and murder. Either that or you depart from your world view and take mine. >>

Absolutely false. Just because one believes that rape and murder are wrong does not mean that they believe in the traditional Judeo-christian value system. As toolgirl stated, almost all societies believe that it is wrong to rape, murder, steal, etc, and yet many are not christian. Your post displays major logical fallacies, namely denying the antecedent (christians believe that killing is wrong, therefore one who is not christian does not believe killing is wrong).

As for &quot;absolute truths&quot;...do you really believe it is ALWAYS wrong to kill? Do you support the death penalty? Do you support killing in war? Many christians who claim to adhere to these &quot;absolute&quot; truths have no problem with both of the above. It seems the truth is not so absolute to many christians.

 

[VanDine]

Everybody's so deliciously liberal and permisory here 'xcept qacwac

liked the one about one absolute truth, and I'm atheist BTW

Wonder what was in those deleted posts of his, wonder what was in that cookie jar...

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Feynman was OK physcicist but a deplorable philosopher

 

[qacwac]

Napalm: I am not at this point trying to prove Christianity. I am proving absolutes. I know that non Christians believe rape is wrong. It is one of their contradictions. It is where they adopt my world view of morality (which I have from the Bible and natural revelation from God and they have no reason for it) But you and toolgirl justify me and prove that absolutes exist. That is what I was trying to prove. Because absolutes exist saying that someone is wrong can be justifiable. Of course that person may be wrong but because absolutes exist if someone goes against that absolute then one can say, &quot;You are wrong.&quot; That was my point. I have made it. I'm sorry I deleted my other replies. Perhaps I wouldn't have to type this again. Killing is different from murder. Murder is the unjust killing of someone. I think that is absolutely 100% wrong to kill someone unjustly. Now I do not think that killing is always unjust so my absolute is not &quot;Killing is wrong.&quot; but &quot;Murder is wrong.&quot; Again I have a reason for this. The Bible says so.

last one I promise. then I'm off to bed and I'll delete this one tomorrow

toolgirl: by your belief that truth is relative to the person you say that right and wrong is relative to the person. How could you say to someone &quot;You shouldn't sacrifice your child to Satan.&quot; when you just said, &quot;I believe that within in religions there isn't just one Truth and Don't tell a person that they are completely wrong. It is their belief Now I could tell someone that they are wrong. Because I don't give a crap about their religion if they are sacrificing their children. I can say &quot;YOU ARE WRONG&quot; but you can't. Unless of course you deny what you have already said and agree with me.

So it's not just that rape and murder are wrong but that they are wrong for everyone and if someone posts a thread saying it is okay then I am justified in saying, &quot;No, you are 100% completely wrong.&quot;

but you below said you shouldn't do this. Now I do realise that my example is an extreme case but the principle remains. Some people are just wrong. There is no other way to state it.

oh and I am by no means riled. I sit here writing quite calmly. It saddens me your disdain for God but I am not zealous enough for God and His glory to be angered by someone I don't even know mocking my beliefs. Hopefully I will come to the point where zeal for His name consumes me.

good night all.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know one thing and that's that you can only know one thing. Other than that one thing we know nothing. I will get tired of the 'I know nothing post' really fast. I'm glad people here think they know something else because it gives me a chance to point out to them that they don't.

 

[qacwac]

sorry moonbeam but you contradict yourself. You said you &quot;know one thing and that's that you can only know one thing but didn't you just state

1. you know one thing
2. you can only know one thing

so in reality you would have to say, &quot;I know two things and you can only know two things.&quot;

you also said that you know you can't know anything else so your going to have to change it again.

Of course there may be contradictions to this. But my above statement is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever written.

And again there is morality that must be accounted for.

 

[VanDine]

But all absolutes are absolute in a context. Its OK to kill, lie sometimes, in some situations.
But not a rape of course, circumstances never demand that.

Just my chip

night

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[Bling Bling]

qacwac is god. he knows all because of the light he is blessed with. let him/her correct our ways and so we shall worship him/her.

 

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VanDine;

<...Feynman was OK physcicist but a deplorable philosopher...>

Don't go messin' with my god.

How can you say Feyman was anything other than a brilliant physicist?

Heretic!

 

[Whitedog]

&quot;Let's keep this thread nonreligious and praise Whitedog as much as possible! &quot;

No thanks on the praises... but I'll take a 400w power supply if ya got one

 

[Whitedog]

qacwac,

Trying to spread the word and win people is good. HOWEVER, I think you should pause for a while and think about the approach.
I can tell you from experience that &quot;fist pounding&quot; &quot;this is the absolute...&quot; bla bla doesn't accomplish anything but get people up in arms at you.

You'll never be able to do something like &quot;I know this person has the wrong views, I'm going to pound the truth at him/her until they get it!&quot;
It doesn't work that way. If you have a message you want to get across to people, speak it and go on. If someone argues with it, let them be and go on.
All you can hope for is someone to &quot;ask you questions&quot; about your comments. People that flame you, oppose you... and that's what you want to avoid.

Atheist probably feel the same way.
I noticed in the thread that was titled &quot;Atheist, check this site out&quot; a lot of Atheist bashing.
Not a good thing. They are entitled to their oppinions just as well as Christians are. Whether you agree or disagree is one thing, but saying &quot;that's wrong&quot; (even if you know it is) should be avoided.
What I suggest, if you see something you disagree with, instead of telling that person &quot;they are wrong&quot;... offer &quot;your point of view&quot; on the take, and possibly an alernative.

 

[qacwac]

whitedog. I know that there is a time to correct and a time to let be. I do not go around blasting people saying &quot;You are wrong.&quot; (although I believe there is a time and place for that) I do give my view and it happens to be in contradiction to others. Just as theirs is in contradiction to mine. So if someone says, &quot;Qacwac, you are 22 years old.&quot; and I reply with the truth, &quot;I am 20 years old.&quot; in my post I automatically tell that other person that they are wrong even though I did not say, &quot;You are wrong.&quot; I cannot give in a little to a lie.

VanDine. Please reread your post.
&quot;all absolutes are absolute in a context
&quot;not rape of course, circumstances never demand that&quot;

So you agree that some absolutes are absolute. And I would just say if your absolute isn't absolute then it isn't an absolute. Such as I agree with you on killing but not murder. So you have the same view as me except I have more absolutes. And I know I have a reason for them. I am courious as to where you get knowledge and explanation for &quot;not rape of course, circumstances never demand that.&quot;

bling bling; I am certainly not a god (there is nother god but God) and I am certainly not Him. I would not be so merciful to those who mocked my name if I was God. The majority of the world would already feel my eternal wrath that will be unleashed in hell. And I certainly would not have sent my only begotten Son to suffer and die on a cross for the sake of sinners.

Off to chemistry.

 

[I'm Typing]

Whitedog: You are right, none of this debate &quot;solves&quot; anything for most people. I think, however, that for every 100 people on either side of this argument, there are may be one perched right on the fence. So people feel the need to spout off, and others feel the need to drag that one person off the fence.

Quite frankly, I like the debates. But then I like to get into fistfights, too.

 

[Whitedog]

hehe