For exactly the same reason that people with REAL money put Xeons in the computers they build-- because they (both) make a 3.2 P4 or a Barton 3200 look like a Pentium 233. Try doing some research before you trash something that you know nothing about.Originally posted by: joe2004
Opteron 144. That is an entry server chip, else what for?
Opteron make sense only in a dual motherboard to me, meaning 244 and so on. They scale well so if you have money that is the way to go. 144 is a waste in my view.
The 144 will be slower... also be aware that the x40-x46 doesn't support DDR400... and I'm not positive, but I don't think the x48's do either since they're server grade CPU's that have to meet stiffer requirements.How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
Mark, a "normal" 3.2Ghz P4 is quite a bit faster than the A64 3200, because the A64 doesn't have dual channel, but an Opteron 146, which is 200 mhz faster than the 144, destroys the P4 3.2EE. It's about 50% faster than the 3.2Ghz P4EE, in everything besides video encoding. That means that the 144 would still be considerably faster than the P4EE, just not by as much, since it's 200 mhz slower.Originally posted by: zengeos
Where I come in on this, and why I wanted others' opinions is...Opteron boards can run AFX's...Heck.. AFX's basicaly ARE Opterons. So, by getting a 144 I figure I would save money now by purchasing 2 grades below top of the line and be able to upgrade in 6-9 months to a 148 )FX51) when it comes down in price.
754 Athlons just seem to have less future growth potential....at least from what I have read.. single chanel as opposed to dual channel, etc.
How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
Mark-
Originally posted by: myocardia
Mark, a "normal" 3.2Ghz P4 is quite a bit faster than the A64 3200, because the A64 doesn't have dual channel, but an Opteron 146, which is 200 mhz faster than the 144, destroys the P4 3.2EE. It's about 50% faster than the 3.2Ghz P4EE, in everything besides video encoding. That means that the 144 would still be considerably faster than the P4EE, just not by as much, since it's 200 mhz slower.Originally posted by: zengeos
Where I come in on this, and why I wanted others' opinions is...Opteron boards can run AFX's...Heck.. AFX's basicaly ARE Opterons. So, by getting a 144 I figure I would save money now by purchasing 2 grades below top of the line and be able to upgrade in 6-9 months to a 148 )FX51) when it comes down in price.
754 Athlons just seem to have less future growth potential....at least from what I have read.. single chanel as opposed to dual channel, etc.
How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
Mark-
Yes, the Opterons do in fact support 400mhz DDR on some of the newer mobos, but since they're server cpu's, theyOriginally posted by: Jeff7181
The 144 will be slower... also be aware that the x40-x46 doesn't support DDR400... and I'm not positive, but I don't think the x48's do either since they're server grade CPU's that have to meet stiffer requirements.How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
Originally posted by: myocardia
Yes, the Opterons do in fact support 400mhz DDR on some of the newer mobos, but since they're server cpu's, theyOriginally posted by: Jeff7181
The 144 will be slower... also be aware that the x40-x46 doesn't support DDR400... and I'm not positive, but I don't think the x48's do either since they're server grade CPU's that have to meet stiffer requirements.How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
require ECC ram, which is decidedly more expensive, especially for PC3200. There is actually an Anandtech article comparing the Opteron 146 and the P4 3.2EE. I read it a few days ago, but I can't go searching for the link, because I have dial-up, and I'm downloading a rather large file at the moment.
Well, like I said, they support DDR400. And since they were using a fairly new board (can't remember which one), I included that about the board. Of course the board doesn't make a difference, since the memory controller is part of the chip... I'm just so damned used to it being part of the board, that I guess it's hard for my brain to quit equating memory to motherboard/NB. Oh well, maybe it's the start of a new era in computing-- one where the NB is just eye candy!Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: myocardia
Yes, the Opterons do in fact support 400mhz DDR on some of the newer mobos, but since they're server cpu's, theyOriginally posted by: Jeff7181
The 144 will be slower... also be aware that the x40-x46 doesn't support DDR400... and I'm not positive, but I don't think the x48's do either since they're server grade CPU's that have to meet stiffer requirements.How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
require ECC ram, which is decidedly more expensive, especially for PC3200. There is actually an Anandtech article comparing the Opteron 146 and the P4 3.2EE. I read it a few days ago, but I can't go searching for the link, because I have dial-up, and I'm downloading a rather large file at the moment.
I just checked AMD's webpage and the x48 processors suppport DDR400... but it has absolutely nothing to do with the motherboard like you said... the memory controller is on die now... all the motherboard provides is the electrical connection between the between the CPU and the RAM now. There's no motherboard chipset involved in accessing RAM anymore.
Xeon would make Barton 3200+ look like a Pentium 233? Yeah, your knowledge is to be referenced.For exactly the same reason that people with REAL money put Xeons in the computers they build-- because they (both) make a 3.2 P4 or a Barton 3200 look like a Pentium 233.
Originally posted by: myocardia
Well, like I said, they support DDR400. And since they were using a fairly new board (can't remember which one), I included that about the board. Of course the board doesn't make a difference, since the memory controller is part of the chip... I'm just so damned used to it being part of the board, that I guess it's hard for my brain to quit equating memory to motherboard/NB. Oh well, maybe it's the start of a new era in computing-- one where the NB is just eye candy!Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: myocardia
Yes, the Opterons do in fact support 400mhz DDR on some of the newer mobos, but since they're server cpu's, theyOriginally posted by: Jeff7181
The 144 will be slower... also be aware that the x40-x46 doesn't support DDR400... and I'm not positive, but I don't think the x48's do either since they're server grade CPU's that have to meet stiffer requirements.How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
require ECC ram, which is decidedly more expensive, especially for PC3200. There is actually an Anandtech article comparing the Opteron 146 and the P4 3.2EE. I read it a few days ago, but I can't go searching for the link, because I have dial-up, and I'm downloading a rather large file at the moment.
I just checked AMD's webpage and the x48 processors suppport DDR400... but it has absolutely nothing to do with the motherboard like you said... the memory controller is on die now... all the motherboard provides is the electrical connection between the between the CPU and the RAM now. There's no motherboard chipset involved in accessing RAM anymore.
Originally posted by: myocardia
Jeff, I actually remember when computers didn't have harddrives! Matter of fact, I had a computer in 1980 (an 8086!!), which was 2 or 3 years before the first computer came out with one. My 8086 had 16KB of non-expandable RAM, dude.
Originally posted by: Megatomic
As has been said already, the Opterons < 148 do not support DDR400, but all Opterons support dual channel. Every Opteron benchmark that I have seen (even using PC2700) has shown amazing memory bandwidth scores in line with or ahead of other high end systems.
And soon all the major players in the memory market will be offering registered DDR400. Corsair has theirs out already, I'm not sure if the others do yet.
Okay, so why does this page, from AMD's website, say that all Opteron's, including the lowly 1.4Ghz supports PC3200? In case you didn't know, PC3200 ram is 400mhz DDR.Originally posted by: Megatomic
As has been said already, the Opterons < 148 do not support DDR400, but all Opterons support dual channel. Every Opteron benchmark that I have seen (even using PC2700) has shown amazing memory bandwidth scores in line with or ahead of other high end systems.
And soon all the major players in the memory market will be offering registered DDR400. Corsair has theirs out already, I'm not sure if the others do yet.
Originally posted by: myocardia
Okay, so why doesOriginally posted by: Megatomic
As has been said already, the Opterons < 148 do not support DDR400, but all Opterons support dual channel. Every Opteron benchmark that I have seen (even using PC2700) has shown amazing memory bandwidth scores in line with or ahead of other high end systems.
And soon all the major players in the memory market will be offering registered DDR400. Corsair has theirs out already, I'm not sure if the others do yet.
this page, from AMD's website, say that all Opteron's, including the lowly 1.4Ghz supports PC3200? In case you didn't know, PC3200 ram is 400mhz DDR.
Jeff, here's your link. That's the first page of the article, and as you can see, it wasn't on Anandtech. It was, however, linked to by Anandtech. You should read it all, if you have the time. It's quite interesting...Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: myocardia
Mark, a "normal" 3.2Ghz P4 is quite a bit faster than the A64 3200, because the A64 doesn't have dual channel, but an Opteron 146, which is 200 mhz faster than the 144, destroys the P4 3.2EE. It's about 50% faster than the 3.2Ghz P4EE, in everything besides video encoding. That means that the 144 would still be considerably faster than the P4EE, just not by as much, since it's 200 mhz slower.
Show me.
I'm quite aware that PC3200 = DDR400.Originally posted by: myocardia
Okay, so why doesOriginally posted by: Megatomic
As has been said already, the Opterons < 148 do not support DDR400, but all Opterons support dual channel. Every Opteron benchmark that I have seen (even using PC2700) has shown amazing memory bandwidth scores in line with or ahead of other high end systems.
And soon all the major players in the memory market will be offering registered DDR400. Corsair has theirs out already, I'm not sure if the others do yet.
this page, from AMD's website, say that all Opteron's, including the lowly 1.4Ghz supports PC3200? In case you didn't know, PC3200 ram is 400mhz DDR.
Originally posted by: myocardia
Jeff, here's your link. That's the first page of the article, and as you can see, it wasn't on Anandtech. It was, however, linked to by Anandtech. You should read it all, if you have the time. It's quite interesting...Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: myocardia
Mark, a "normal" 3.2Ghz P4 is quite a bit faster than the A64 3200, because the A64 doesn't have dual channel, but an Opteron 146, which is 200 mhz faster than the 144, destroys the P4 3.2EE. It's about 50% faster than the 3.2Ghz P4EE, in everything besides video encoding. That means that the 144 would still be considerably faster than the P4EE, just not by as much, since it's 200 mhz slower.Originally posted by: zengeos
Where I come in on this, and why I wanted others' opinions is...Opteron boards can run AFX's...Heck.. AFX's basicaly ARE Opterons. So, by getting a 144 I figure I would save money now by purchasing 2 grades below top of the line and be able to upgrade in 6-9 months to a 148 )FX51) when it comes down in price.
754 Athlons just seem to have less future growth potential....at least from what I have read.. single chanel as opposed to dual channel, etc.
How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
Mark-
Show me.
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Jeff, here's your link. That's the first page of the article, and as you can see, it wasn't on Anandtech. It was, however, linked to by Anandtech. You should read it all, if you have the time. It's quite interesting...Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Mark, a "normal" 3.2Ghz P4 is quite a bit faster than the A64 3200, because the A64 doesn't have dual channel, but an Opteron 146, which is 200 mhz faster than the 144, destroys the P4 3.2EE. It's about 50% faster than the 3.2Ghz P4EE, in everything besides video encoding. That means that the 144 would still be considerably faster than the P4EE, just not by as much, since it's 200 mhz slower.Originally posted by: myocardia
Mark-
Show me.
Originally posted by: myocardia
Mark, a "normal" 3.2Ghz P4 is quite a bit faster than the A64 3200, because the A64 doesn't have dual channel, but an Opteron 146, which is 200 mhz faster than the 144, destroys the P4 3.2EE. It's about 50% faster than the 3.2Ghz P4EE, in everything besides video encoding. That means that the 144 would still be considerably faster than the P4EE, just not by as much, since it's 200 mhz slower.Originally posted by: zengeos
Where I come in on this, and why I wanted others' opinions is...Opteron boards can run AFX's...Heck.. AFX's basicaly ARE Opterons. So, by getting a 144 I figure I would save money now by purchasing 2 grades below top of the line and be able to upgrade in 6-9 months to a 148 )FX51) when it comes down in price.
754 Athlons just seem to have less future growth potential....at least from what I have read.. single chanel as opposed to dual channel, etc.
How close in performance will the 144 setup be compared to an A64 3200 setup...al other components being equal?
Mark-