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stebog

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Looking forward to your report.

I ordered a heatpipe too but, I'm waiting to install until I get a second video card or the fan starts to make dying noises.

I figured I would wait to do a bunch of stuff at once. Pull mobo, clean case, flush water cooling system and refill with fresh fluid, etc.
 

Rinaun

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big favor, can someone measure the original fan from a a8n sli deluxe, and tell me what is the exact milimeter distance from the middle of one hole to the other? it would be a big help

-rinaun
 

runestone

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Rinaun, it's about 51-52 mm as measured with calipers on ONE of my burned out fans.
Hope that helps.
 

Rinaun

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It does, i have a msi k8n neo2 plat. nb fan modded onto the board right now and it looks totally duct taped style . Thanks,

-Rinaun
 

dawza

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I replaced the whining chipset fan on my A8N-SLI last night with the heatpipe ordered from the ASUS parts store. Installation was relatively straightforward after removing the mobo from the case:

1. Remove the old chipset fan and the MOSFET heatsink. This is accomplished through squeezable pins which are accessible from the back of the mobo. I had to clip the chipset fan pins off with a small pair of flat-nosed wire clippers (carefully), but the MOSFET pins squeezed right out. Note that pushing on the pin from the other side (the "right" side) of the mobo while squeezing may help by providing clearance.

2. Put the chipset fan aside. Marvel at its cheapness. Repeat for MOSFET heatsink. Note that there appears only to be a rubbery strip of something (bearing no resemblance to any kind of thermal interface material I have ever come across) on its bottom.

3. Clean off the pink, and probably now-hardened TIM from the chipset chip. This may take a while with 91% isopropanol. If you have access to acetone, that may work better. A wooden toothpick can be handy for scraping off the really stubbon stuff, and lens paper (Kimwipes are great) is ideal for actual cleaning/wiping.

4. Clean off the pre-applied TIM from the heatpipe's heatsink areas. Replace with a layer of Ceramique. I applied a generous layer of Ceramique to the heatsink regions with a plastic-gloved hand. I then wiped off all of the TIM with lens paper, leaving only a thin haze behind.

5. Put a SMALL drop of TIM on a gloved finger and spread it in a THIN later over the exposed chipset chip. I did not put any TIM on the MOSFETS, relying only on the residual TIM on the MOSFET heatsink from step #4. These were just too small to risk any spillover; I suppose one could use a cotton swab.

6. Install the heatpipe. Note that this step is made much easier if one rests the mobo on an anti-static bag over a cushiony material. I pushed the pins through the heatsink covering the chipset first. This was uneventful. The MOSFET heatsink required a bit of coaxing to align the holes, but was nothing too difficult. Compatability appears to be spot-on.

That's it!

As A8N-SLI owners have found, the mobo temp reading is not the chipset reading. Therefore, I have no idea what my chipset's temp was with the fan. I did notice that neither the MOSFET heatsink nor the fan's aluminum covering got particularly hot, which would indicate that either the chipset fan was very effective/MOSFETS did not heat up much, or that contact was suboptimal.

Last night, while everything was out of the case, I installed the CoolerMaster Aerogate III fan controller/temp monitor that I bought some time ago. I inserted a flat temperature sensor as far as I could under the heatpipe's chipset heatsink and thus my chipset temp readings come from that probe. The probes do appear to be relatively accurate from measuring my other components.

Chipset temperature when the computer has been on for 15 minutes at idle:

53-55C with an ambient case temp of 29-30C and a room temperature of 24-25C.

Temps do not heat up whether I place the system under full load (Prime 95) or OC (250FSB). The heatsink over the chipset is definitely hot, and certainly feels like it is over 50C. I cannot keep my finger on it for more than 5 seconds without pain (and my fingertips are pretty well calloused). The MOSFET heatsink is notably hotter than before (I would estimate 45C), but I could touch that indefintely without pain. The heatpipe itself is hot as well.

As an experiment, I physically placed a Zalman passive chipset heatsink on the chipset heatsink. No TIM or anything- just plain metal-to-metal held in place by my hand. This dropped the temps down by 3-4C within two minutes. Running the system with the side panel off dropped it another 4-5C. Admittedly, my case has pretty poor airflow (Wavemaster), although I have cut a 120mm hole in the side panel over the CPU for passive intake. I also figured out a way to soft mount 92mm fans in the front for intake, but only had one 92mm fan on hand yesterday, so that may make another 1-2C difference. Installing a 120mm fan on the side as intake made no difference (but did lower CPU temps another 2C). Blowing air directly over the MOSFET did not seem to make much of a difference. I currently have a 92mm fan on the stock 4-heatpipe Opteron/X2 heatsink, so there is a bit of spillover air to begin with.

I Primed the system for 4h last night, and this morning everything looked OK (no OC; I do not OC except for testing purposes). Chipset temps are very stable around 53-55C, idle or full load. No other system temps have changed with the possible exception of the "motherboard/system" temp reading, which has gone from 37C to 35C. I do not know how significant, if at all, this is. I also have no idea where the temp sensor is. For all I know, I could have bumped it when I had the mobo out of the case.

I really wish I had northbridge temp readings with the old chipset fan only. Considering how hot the heatpipe gets now, I really doubt that the old fan was making good contact. I am almost positive the old MOSFET heatsink was not doing much. As far as I know, 55C is OK, as the chipset is rated to 90C, IIRC. I am not thrilled with this temp, though, and the perfectionist in me is looking for ways to further reduce the reading. I am considering attaching the Zalman (it is the smaller 32mm square) passive heatsink on top of the heatpipe chipset heatsink with thermal tape.

I will update when I get my thermal tape and 92mm fan. Hope others who install can share their results.
 

P0pinjay

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Just ordered the heatpipe....why the f did they make it out of steel?? Really dumb design decision. Maybe I'll try to copy it out of some aluminum bar stock or something....wow, just wow.
 

dawza

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Originally posted by: P0pinjay
Just ordered the heatpipe....why the f did they make it out of steel?? Really dumb design decision. Maybe I'll try to copy it out of some aluminum bar stock or something....wow, just wow.


It is difficult to tell, but I believe the heatpipe only is made of steel. . .MOSFET heatsink fins appear to be aluminum (not 100% sure though). Don't know about the chipset heatsink. I wonder if they did this because they figured that the most important aspect of the heatsink was the MOSFET region, as that is where the liquid from the NB heatsink would meet cooler temps and condense back down; this would effectively make the remainder of the heatpipe a vessel to conduct heat (liquid) to the MOSFET aluminum fins.

Then again, if this idea to use a material with lower thermal conductivity (Steel ~5x < Al, IIRC) on all parts of the heatpipe save the MOSFET fins was such a great concept, why upgrade to copper for the A8N32-SLI. . .

Anyway, sticking a thermal probe in the fins of the MOSFET heatsink gives a temperature reading of 43-44C. So, it seems that there is a ~10C difference between the MOSFET fins and the chipset heatsink. I just placed an order for an aluminum southbridge heatsink with thermal tape that I will attach to the NB heatsink, and a 60mm fan that I will rig over the MOSFET fins to give them some extra airflow. It would be interesting to see how much the heatpipe's cooling efficiency is affected more by airflow to the MOSFET region vs. direct cooling to the chipset heatsink.

From a little searching on Hardforums, it seems that people with the A8N Premiums who have measured the NB temp also report 50-55C. Feedback is sometimes hard to interpret due to users reporting the mobo/case temp as the NB temp.

After all this trouble and additional expense, methinks it might have been better to just ante up for the ChipForce/JingTing or Swiftech NB cooler. I mean, if you are going to take your system apart, might as well make the most of it. Then again, this current approach is more fun and educational

Edit: According to Asus' specs, I am not doing too badly Chipset temps for heatpipe-cooled NF4
 

FlasHBurN

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Installed the heatpipe on my a8n-sli without a hitch. Took only a couple minutes, and most of that was spent wiping off the previous thermal grease on the chipset. I didn't bother replacing the stuff they applied on the heatpipe, since I figured if Asus felt it was good enough for them, that it would be good enough for me. It sure is nice not hearing that whiney ass fan any more.
 

xmichael

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I just tried to install the replacement fan from ASUS. Reluctantly, since my "Jury rigged" old video card hs w/fan was working so nicely. Anyway, I could have saved myself the trouble. The ASUS replacement did not even come on.

I also ordered and received in an ICEBERQ4 Video hs w/fan, (I know, it was not meant for a chipset but hey, it was worth a try), in attempt to put a new fan with a larger hs on. Unfortunately, the jack that is for chipset fan was in the way by just 1/8 inch. The problem was that the ICEBERQ4 pins (that does match the holes by the way) is right where I would have to cut to make this unit work. Oh, well, the old Hercules video fan hs is work well keeping the temp around 48C, so I guess I will stick with that. It only got up to 51C during Battlefield 2 according to my IR Thermometer.
 

P0pinjay

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Got the heatpipe in yesterday and hopefully I'll be installing it later this evening. I tried to get some Arctic Silver Ceramique from Fry's but they were all out so I was wondering if I could use AS5 instead.

Does anyone know if putting Arctic Silver 5 on the chipset die will mess the die up in some fashion? I know that at the least I need to keep the components from being shorted by it, but what about just the die itself? Anyone have any experience with this? I thought I had seen one guy take the IHS off his CPU and then use AS5 directly on the core, but that seemed kind of dangerous.
 

dawza

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No first-hand experience with AS5 on exposed cores, but I believe it will be OK as long as you don't get it on the surrounding circuitry. There are some people who warn against using AS5 on ram chips, although I don't know if this is a confirmed issue.

The fact that people put AS5 on GPU cores, which are also exposed, suggests that using it on the chipset core would be OK. There are some scattered reports of people who have removed their A8N-Premium's heatpipe, cleaned off the stock pad, and re-surfaced with AS5. IIRC, observed temp changes ranged from no change to a 10C drop, so at best, it seems that it will do no harm. The included pink stuff does not inspire great confidence in me, so I am pretty sure you would be better off with AS5.

For the MOSFET heatsink, I would recommend just using a very, very thin haze of AS5 (on the heatsink itself), and no TIM directly on the chips- there is just too much of a risk, IMO. A nice thermal pad might work (i.e. Shin-etsu). In any event, various feedback I have read indicate that attaching a small fan to blow over the MOSFET heatsink is quite effective for improving the performance of the heatpipe.

Since installing the heatpipe, my temps hover around 54-57C, idle-load, compared with some A8N-Premium users reporting anywhere from 45-70C.
 

P0pinjay

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Installed the heatpipe last night. It had to be bent just a touch to fit, but it was very plyable. I used AS5 on the chipset and everything seems to be fine. Temps on the MB sensor say 34C right now....Dawza, was it you who was saying that this MB sensor is not in fact the temperature of the Nforce4 chip? If it isn't, then what part of the motherboard would that be reading?

On a side note I installed my Opty 165 (0606VPMW) at the same time as the heatpipe and that went smoothly as well. I plan to overclock it in the future but for right now it's just at stock. Just for kicks, I booted up windows with the new processor installed, but without reinstalling windows. It worked just fine, cause I'm gangsta like that...
 

dawza

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P0pinjay- the mobo temp indeed does NOT reflect the chipset temp on this board. The reading the mobo probe gives is indicative of a sensor placed somewhere on the mobo, but I am not sure exactly where.

If you wish to measure the chipset temp, you would need some kind of external probe. SVC has the Aerogate III fan controller on sale for $8 + shipping currently. Stick one of the flat probes under the chipset block as close to the chipset as you can, and that should give you a pretty accurate chipset reading.

Alternatively, you can use your built-in temperature sensor. Your fingertips will begin to register pain starting at 50C; most people cannot tolerate 55C for more than 5-10 seconds, and 60C is decidedly painful. Of course, this will all depend on how thick/sensitive your skin is.
 

FlasHBurN

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Originally posted by: Steaksauce
You all should consider the Abit AN8 or AN8 SLI: http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=275

I'm wouldn't feel too safe with a cheap old passive HS in the NB as Abit spent some money on their passive setup.

Yes clearly we should look at spending the money to replace a perfectly fine motherboard because we are using an Asus designed passively cooled heatpipe. While I am throwing my money away, why don't I also send $10 to you.
 

dawza

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Originally posted by: Steaksauce
You all should consider the Abit AN8 or AN8 SLI: http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=275

I'm wouldn't feel too safe with a cheap old passive HS in the NB as Abit spent some money on their passive setup.


Umm. . .there are plenty of people on SPCR and other forums who have had good luck with the $5 Zalman NBJ47, which I suppose would fall in the category of "cheap." OCers seem to need more cooling, which is easily achieved by attaching a small (40-50mm) fan on the side of the Zalman. From what I have read, temps with the Zalman alone range from 55-75C, and adding the fan drops temps to 40-60C. Considering that the NF4 is ok up to 80-90C, those temps are acceptable.

I would hadly call the ASUS heatpipe "cheap," though. It keeps my NF4 sitting at 55C under full load. Slapping on a small Micropole southbridge heatsink (kind of like a smaller version of the Zalman) on top of the chipset block brings me down to 50-52C. This is completely passive, and is close to the 45C mark that appears to be as low as most have reported. I admit that the Abit heatpipe is sexier and better designed, but that hardly makes the ASUS heatpipe unaceceptable as a cooling solution. It certainly does not justify moving to a completely new mobo when perfectly effective passive solutions exist (see above).

I do agree that the original solution (40mm fan and pathetic aluminum housing) was horrible.

Pic of southbridge HS on top of chipset block:
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Pic showing above + 60x15mm Panaflow fan velcro-mounted over radiator
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Pic showing above with fan detached
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Edit: Updated with pics
 

The Land of Smeg

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Pic of southbridge HS on top of chipset block:
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How is yours setup... is that the Asus A8N-SLI Premium Heatpipe with another passive heatsink mounted on top of that? which one and how if it is? or is it another Passive heatsink?
 

dawza

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Originally posted by: The Land of Smeg
Pic of southbridge HS on top of chipset block:
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How is yours setup... is that the Asus A8N-SLI Premium Heatpipe with another passive heatsink mounted on top of that? which one and how if it is? or is it another Passive heatsink?


What you are looking at is the plain A8N-SLI board with the heatpipe normally found on the A8N-SLI-Premium installed. The heatpipe is now available for purchase through the ASUS online store (link and installation/temperature info on the previous page of this thread), so owners of the vanilla A8N-SLI (and perhaps the A8N-E, but I am not sure) can now utilize a relatively effective passive NB cooling solution that will not get in the way of video cards.

I was not fully satisfied with the temperature I was reading with my thermal probe with the heatpipe alone, so I decided to slap on a Microcool southbridge heatsink that is available from various online stores (the actual chipset temp with the heatpipe was actually well within acceptable limits, but I just wanted to see how low I could push it with passive cooling alone). I purchased mine from Performance-PCs for $5. This heatsink is a bit smaller than the Zalman NBJ32 and comes with pre-applied thermal tape (supposedly a pretty decent brand of tape) so it fits perfectly on the heatpipe chipset block.

Installation of the Microcool heatsink consists of cleaning the chipset block with alcohol (obviously you want to turn the system off first to be safe), peeling the plastic covering the thermal tape of southbridge heatsink off, and sticking it on. No more difficult than applying a sticker The adhesive bond supposedly strengthens under heat, and after one hour or so with the computer on, the heatsink should be quite firmly adhered.

This alone resulted in a ~3-5C drop in temperature, and the heatsink is low-profile enough to not interfere with my 7800GT; should work fine if I decided to go for SLI as well. For one minute's worth of work and $5, that is not too bad; looks quite nice too, IMO.
 

The Land of Smeg

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How can I order the Asus A8N-SLI Premium Steel Heat Pipe (13-020161000) if I live in Australia?
Would somebody be willing to sell some on Ebay? Or would anyone (reputable) be willing to order one for me, and ship to Australia, to be paid by Paypal?
 

Razorfish

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I really needed a workaround for this problem ... that did not include removing the motherboard, so the only soloution was to bolt a new 40 x 40 x 10 fan to the top of the existing heatsink (a few people have done this but have not shown pictures) I simply bought the 40 x 40 x 10 Papst fan from RS components cut the leads down and re-did the molex crimps on the end (this is not nessasary but in the intrest of keeping the case clean). The old fan assembly was carefully disassembled and the heatsink cleaned of dust (and fan thrown in the bin). The new fan sits nicely on top of the old heatsink and was secured using Metric M2 x 15mm pan head bolts into the original top plate tapers.

Temprature wise im aware the reading does not come directly from the NF4 chipset directly so a less scientific approach of "how hot it feels" proves very good, the orignal fan in the heatsink proved quite painful to hold for any extended period of time, with the new fan installed the heatsink feels as faintly warm but no real heat to comment on. The best bit is that this solution works very well with large graphics cards particularly the X1900XTX such as my own and SLI users could quite happly accomodate two cards with large dual slot coolers.

Hope these pictures are of help to anyone in a similar boat...

http://www.ubertechworld.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=5529

http://www.ubertechworld.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=5530





 

FP

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Replacing my custom chipset HSF with the passive Premium heatpipe.

One question though... When I removed the stock fan the last time there was a .25" wide square black pad around the chipset. The chipset sat in the middle of this pad. Has anyone removed this pad? It looked like it was almost soaked in places with thermal grease. Although it looked pretty worn I left it there the last time.
 

xmichael

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I had a question about it too. It looks like an insulator between the heatsink and the solder points of the surrounding area. I took it off the first time I replaced my HS and noticed I started to have errors pop up (BSD or reboots). The second time I put it back on and they seem to have stop. Where they related? possibly/probably? I guess it would depend on how your replacement hs/fan sits on the chip. Then again, it could just be something else happening and the black pad has nothing to do with it. However, it does APPEAR to be made of a rubber based material, so....
 

dawza

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Binster and xmichael,

That black pad you are referring to is a shim that is designed to protect the elevated core by helping distribute any uneven pressure placed upon the core by a heatsink.

I personally tossed the black pad, as mine was in pretty ratty condition. However, I imagine that it would be best to use the pad if it is salvageable, just for peace of mind. If you are careful about applying even pressure during installation of the heatpipe, it should be just fine.
 

Dream Operator

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I purchased this board in 12/04. I attempted to replace the nb heatsink/fan with the zalman. After doing so, I lost my sec. IDE controller. I RMA'd that board and got another. Something was wrong with that one (been awhile, can't remember the problem), so I sent it back too. Now on the 3rd board, I was not anxious to mess with it. I needed my pc to be working.

The fan on this board started to make grinding noise after a couple weeks. Frustrated, I unplugged the fan and left it. I ran my rig like this for almost a year. I use intensive audio applications as well as games like FEAR and Tomb Raider Legened. Never had a problem.

I just bought the X2 4200+ and took everything out of the case for cleaning. I figured I should give the Zalman another try.

Installed with out a hitch and now my nvmonitor "system" temp shows 45c. This is with an avg 70ish room temp. Approx 5 degrees cooler than before.

I haven't tried to oc yet. No doing that til I get a stronger PSU. Hopefully it will be good for that. Though I may sell the board and go for the A8N32-SLI. Which I consider to be the true release of a final ASUS SLI 939 board. As opposed to the A8N-SLI deluxe which I consider to be a BETA product.
 
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