Abercrombie & Fitch accused of discriminating

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Anubis
I don?t care their clothes suck and they cost way to fvcking much

I agree

A&F is a huge rip off, the clothes looks WAYYY cheaper than they are priced

EDIT: but their jackets are nice though

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: CoolTech
two wrongs dont make a right, no, but you can't say that ills of the past can just be forgotten either, were not talking murder here , lets try and use a better anology next time.

The anology doesnt matter as long as you got the point. A&F is wrong for what they are doing if they are not allowing people to advance in the workplace. IF they choose to market towards white people, so be it. But don't think for a second that Phat Farm, FUBU and others haven't done the same thing. I think thats the only point people were making.

Land of the free? What? Whoever told you that is your enemy "RATM"

Today it's the land of lawsuits!

i should sue murder inc

there are not enough asians represented there

 

[alphatarget1]

two WONGS don't make a right... remember?

 

[CoolTech]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: pulse8

Do they have a responsibility to present a diversified corporate image? I think so.

Why? If a company wants to sell their clothes to only white people, why can't they?

If a store wants to have a white-only bathroom, why can't they?

That's not the same thing, but if they wanted to, why not? As long as the government doesn't get involved and say that only whites can use the bathroom, if I'm paying rent some place I should be the only one to say who can and can't use the bathroom. If I'm a racist fvck and don't want blacks or hispanics to use my bathroom, I should have that right.

It's not a good thing that people think that way, but if it's their property, I think they should be able to allow whomever they wish onto it.

As for clothing, if A&F only want to market to white people, that's their choice.

ok, numbnuts, this is America. The land of the free, home of the brave. Not some third world country where noone has rights and you get your hands chopped off for stealing an ear of corn. We have something called standards and civil rights in this country. I suggest you read them, and unless it is a private dwelling or establishment, you cannot discriminate based upon race. Its as simple as that, no matter who initially paid for the building or merchandise. The shareholders pay for it anyway, and I am sure they are not all white. This type of situation also brings bad publicity which could in turn drive the stock price down. There are many stakeholders in a corporation.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: CoolTech
oh please, dont make a mockery of this thread by talking about sean jean. White corporations for years have been oppressing minorities in the aforementioned ways and a plethora of others.

Just as LikeLinus said above I feel the same way...so you are able to turn a blind eye at companies like "Phat Pharm", "SeanJean" and "Fubu" for the same practices simply because they are target towards minorities, yet a company such as Abercrombie should be lambasted for the same sales and marketing tactics only targeting "white" people...seems like a double standard to me...

Personally I think Abercrombie is a joke and would never buy their items but if they have a target market they are shooting for with their advertisements and that market is mainly in the younger "white" middle class segment then why would you not focus on that market?? Like others said we don't see FUBU or "Phat Pharm" featuring geeky looking white guys in their ads now do we?

With regards to the hiring, well if they are being discriminatory then yes they should face charges as that is wrong.

As far as I know Ralph Lauren ads are very diversified, same as Brooks Brothers so I doubt they have anything to fear.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: CoolTech
two wrongs dont make a right, no, but you can't say that ills of the past can just be forgotten either, were not talking murder here , lets try and use a better anology next time.

Why can't the ills of the past be forgotten?

I am not permitted to seek retribution for wrongful acts against my ancestors. Why should anyone be permitted to seek retribution for any wrong that they cannot prove directly harmed them.

Also, why is it an evil stereotype to look at a black make a negative stereotype based solely on his race but acceptable to look at a black and make assumptions or judgments about his 'struggles' based solely on his race? I'm asking this because that is what happens when a minority claims he is entitled to retribution for wrongs to others of his race. If you can't make negative judgments based on race, you can't make positive ones either.

 

[LikeLinus]

Also remember that a good number of people sue places for greedy reasons. You are automatically making the assumption that because 3 people sued that A&F is totally in the wrong. Remember American is not only free, its about the quick buck.

 

[CoolTech]

true, but the article mentioned more than just marketing, it mentioned advancing in the company, etc.

 

[alphatarget1]

they can market their products to whites, i don't care.

"Clothing retailer Abercrombie & Fitch hires a disproportionately white sales force, puts minorities in less-visible jobs"<--- this is bad

well, kinda like when you go into a panda express or whatever chinese fastfood restaurant you won't be able find anyone not asian at the help counter. I know some girl got turned down for employment because she's not asian but hell, some of the managers are dumb enough that they don't really speak english that well.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: pulse8

Do they have a responsibility to present a diversified corporate image? I think so.

Why? If a company wants to sell their clothes to only white people, why can't they?

If a store wants to have a white-only bathroom, why can't they?

What an IDIOTIC example. They're not discriminating, they're just targetting a certain demographic market, which happens to be white.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
they can market their products to whites, i don't care.

"Clothing retailer Abercrombie & Fitch hires a disproportionately white sales force, puts minorities in less-visible jobs"<--- this is bad

well, kinda like when you go into a panda express or whatever chinese fastfood restaurant you won't be able find anyone not asian at the help counter. I know some girl got turned down for employment because she's not asian but hell, some of the managers are dumb enough that they don't really speak english that well.

"Clothing retailer Abercrombie & Fitch hires a disproportionately white sales force,


That is not neccesarily bad. See FUBU, sean john example.


puts minorities in less-visible jobs


That's only bad if the minorities in question had equal work experience and education to the whites who are in more visible jobs.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: CoolTech

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: pulse8

Do they have a responsibility to present a diversified corporate image? I think so.

Why? If a company wants to sell their clothes to only white people, why can't they?

If a store wants to have a white-only bathroom, why can't they?

That's not the same thing, but if they wanted to, why not? As long as the government doesn't get involved and say that only whites can use the bathroom, if I'm paying rent some place I should be the only one to say who can and can't use the bathroom. If I'm a racist fvck and don't want blacks or hispanics to use my bathroom, I should have that right.

It's not a good thing that people think that way, but if it's their property, I think they should be able to allow whomever they wish onto it.

As for clothing, if A&F only want to market to white people, that's their choice.

ok, numbnuts, this is America. The land of the free, home of the brave. Not some third world country where noone has rights and you get your hands chopped off for stealing an ear of corn. We have something called standards and civil rights in this country. I suggest you read them, and unless it is a private dwelling or establishment, you cannot discriminate based upon race. Its as simple as that, no matter who initially paid for the building or merchandise. The shareholders pay for it anyway, and I am sure they are not all white. This type of situation also brings bad publicity which could in turn drive the stock price down. There are many stakeholders in a corporation.

So you believe in only giving people their rights if it suits you? Just because you don't believe in the same things people do doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to believe them. Taking away the right of someone to practice what they believe, regardless of how you feel about it, goes against everything you've just spoke of. You're right, this isn't a third world country and people do have rights, but that also includes the right for people to not like certain other people.

At no point in this country should people be punished for what they believe. Employment is a different issue and I don't feel people should be discriminated against because of it, but as for private bathrooms and clothing lines, I think the company should be able to do whatever they want with it even if it does run it into the ground.

They have that right.


Jackass.

 

[CoolTech]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: CoolTech

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: pulse8

Do they have a responsibility to present a diversified corporate image? I think so.

Why? If a company wants to sell their clothes to only white people, why can't they?

If a store wants to have a white-only bathroom, why can't they?

That's not the same thing, but if they wanted to, why not? As long as the government doesn't get involved and say that only whites can use the bathroom, if I'm paying rent some place I should be the only one to say who can and can't use the bathroom. If I'm a racist fvck and don't want blacks or hispanics to use my bathroom, I should have that right.

It's not a good thing that people think that way, but if it's their property, I think they should be able to allow whomever they wish onto it.

As for clothing, if A&F only want to market to white people, that's their choice.

ok, numbnuts, this is America. The land of the free, home of the brave. Not some third world country where noone has rights and you get your hands chopped off for stealing an ear of corn. We have something called standards and civil rights in this country. I suggest you read them, and unless it is a private dwelling or establishment, you cannot discriminate based upon race. Its as simple as that, no matter who initially paid for the building or merchandise. The shareholders pay for it anyway, and I am sure they are not all white. This type of situation also brings bad publicity which could in turn drive the stock price down. There are many stakeholders in a corporation.

So you believe in only giving people their rights if it suits you? Just because you don't believe in the same things people do doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to believe them. Taking away the right of someone to practice what they believe, regardless of how you feel about it, goes against everything you've just spoke of. You're right, this isn't a third world country and people do have rights, but that also includes the right for people to not like certain other people.

At no point in this country should people be punished for what they believe. Employment is a different issue and I don't feel people should be discriminated against because of it, but as for private bathrooms and clothing lines, I think the company should be able to do whatever they want with it even if it does run it into the ground.

They have that right.


Jackass.

wow, you must be referring to yourself with that last line

 

[slycat]

jeez this is old news...
good that they got sued though...
its apparent enough...

 

[LikeLinus]

wow, you must be referring to yourself with that last line

Same as you calling him "numbnuts".

 

[pulse8]

wow, you must be referring to yourself with that last line

I'm rubber you're glue.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Lucky
im gonna sue sean john clothing for using mostly black models and not putting forth white people in their corporate image! I'm gonna make MILLLLLLLLLIONS!

Didn't you get the memo? It's okay to discriminate against white men.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Hmph. So what's new?

 

[yellowperil]

LOL, remember these shirts?

link1

link2

Wish I bought a few back then...

link3

 

[FuZoR]

Thats just plain stupid... so what if they just hire white poeple, the buyers are 99% white so what if they want to keep a demographic so be it. :roll:

 

[Shantanu]

I'm of East-Indian ethnicity. I'm interning this summer at Ambercrombie and Fitch's racist t-shirt division. It doesn't pay that well, but I get good benefits. And I'm making amazing connections in the fashion industry.

 

[JackBurton]

This is bullsh!t! I am so fed up with this discrimination! I've noticed Calvin Klein only hires good looking thin people for his models. I think I'll have to file a lawsuit against him. I'm mean, it is ok to target thin pretty people but I think fat ugly people should be able to advertise his products too.

Doesn't make sense does it.

 

[newbiepcuser]

Does it matter? People will still continue to shop there. In Southern Cali, its pretty popular over here. People of all ethnicities will still continue to buy their clothes when this stuff is over with.



It just looks like over priced Old Navy stuff to me.

 

[CChaos]

Where's the confusion here? If they are making hiring/promotion decisions solely based on race then they are doing something illegal. Go sue fubu if you apply and they don't hire you because you are white.

Fuzion--It's illegal dumbass.

 

[Whisper]

I've seen plenty of white, asian, and hispanic folks working in stores such as Demo, which sell clothing brands such as FUBU, Sean Jean, etc. And yes, I do believe that A&F discriminates, or is at least pretty damn dumb when it comes to race relations. Anyone that's seen their "two wongs make a white" and similar shirts (for which they've had a few, even after the first one or two were pulled) would agree.

I think some people here are just upset about the whole FUBU, etc. clothing mentality, and are using that as an excuse to say that minorities in these cases are too sensitive. Maybe so, but look how many white people get instantly enraged everytime a minority speaks out against discrimination. Same difference.