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Nickel020

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Thanks for the link to that review! Looks like performance is right up there with the nForce 4 boards, but one thing that worries me is that those guys couldn't get a stable overclock with a FSB higher than 234... I was hoping for a 10x250 Overclock with a Venice 3200+
So if you have this motherboard, please post what the highest FSB is that's still stable, I hope they really just got as bad a board as there is...
 

Holy Smoke

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Originally posted by: Nickel020
Thanks for the link to that review! Looks like performance is right up there with the nForce 4 boards, but one thing that worries me is that those guys couldn't get a stable overclock with a FSB higher than 234... I was hoping for a 10x250 Overclock with a Venice 3200+
So if you have this motherboard, please post what the highest FSB is that's still stable, I hope they really just got as bad a board as there is...
I only just started experimenting with mine, and I'm running it at 240mhz (2.0ghz @ 2.4ghz) without any increase in voltage (apart from 0.05v for the cpu). I'm still experimenting with it, but so far there's been no sign of instability.

The above would be at 960 HTT, btw.
 

Holy Smoke

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One other thing:

Those of you with this board, are you experiencing high, possibly wrong, cpu temps? At default, my 3200+ is showing around 53C under load, and goes up to 60C under load at 2.4ghz @ 1.475v. They're at 42C and 48C respectively when idling. Furthermore, when idling at 1000mhz under Cool n Quiet it shows around 36C, which seems a bit high.

Any thoughts? I'm "sort of" inclined to blame it on an uncalibrated temp sensor, but I'd appreciate it if any of you could provide some input.

BTW, this is with stock cooling in a CM Stacker case (which has very good airflow).
 

Nickel020

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I have read of temperature reporting issues with VIA based Abit boards, the AV8 and the AX8. I think there are some threads in Abit's official forum on this. And if It's perfectly stable and the air in the case doesn't get too hot when the PcCs been running for a long time then i wouldn't worry. The first thing you notice when your temps are too high is that the PC is unstable.

And thx for information, good to know your board can do a higher FSB than 234. Please post if you get the FSB any higher than that!
 

furballi

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I'm running WXP Pro SP1 (clean install) and my CPU temp as reported by Micro Guru is consistent with the BIOS temp, 27C to 43C. The CPU temperature is around 35C most of the time. Only time I would see 40C+ is if I'm running Prime95.

I use the Zalman 7000Cu CPU cooler and a small drop of Arctic Silver 5 per the instruction. Wipe both surfaces clean with Isopropyl Alcohol prior to assembly. All other settings are stock except for FSB (220MHz).

How did you install and activate Cool n Quiet?
 

Holy Smoke

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Originally posted by: furballi

How did you install and activate Cool n Quiet?
Go to Control panel / Power options and change your power scheme to "Max battery".

You may need to update your processor driver, and you'll find the latest version of it on the cd that came with the motherboard.

Update:

I just spent a bit of time inside my computer, and it definitely seems to be giving the wrong temps. At this very moment, uGuru is giving me a CPU temp of 51C and a SYS temp (which I assume to be the north bridge) of 32C. Yet the north bridge heatsink is noticably warmer than the the hsf on the processor (which isn't warm at all). So unless my hsf is simply not in contact with the cpu, this shouldn't be. I also just noticed that Donnelly mentioned his temps being higher (compared to his NF3) on the first page.

I dunno. I did, however, read on another site that Abit boards are either a) getting their temps off an on-die diode, or b) simply being more conservative.
 

furballi

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Thanks. Will give cool n quiet a try.

My northbridge is quite warm if I use the blue heat sink as the reference source. It said it's running at 32C. However, body temp is 37C, and this heat sink is warmer than 37C. The copper Zalman CPU heatsink is just a touch warmer than body temperature...probably 40C.

BTW, my SYS and PWR temps are always under 36C.
 

Holy Smoke

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I wanted to add a small update, as Prime95 had been continously failing it's calculations. All other benches and stress tests had been running fine, except for Prime95.

In the bios, there's an option for PCI devices, where you can pick between Auto, 33mhz, 37mhz, and 40mhz (if I remember correctly). I just found out that Auto does not force the PCI bus to a set frequency as I'd assumed, but does in fact simply divide the fsb by 3. So when I was running my comp at 10x240, I had been running my PCI bus at 40mhz (120/3), instead of the 33mhz I thought it was.

So I strongly suggest you check your bios setting, as you might get hard drive corruption without it. This might also be the reason Hexus couldn't overclock beyond 232mhz.

Update:

I'm now running at 2.4ghz stable (so far) in SuperPI without ANY rounding errors. Prime95 craps out at 1.525v, but is probably stable at 1.550v or 1.575v. Aside from the above PCI issue, I had to up my Vcore from 1.450 at 2.3ghz, so I'm not going any further until I know whether the temp readings are wrong, as my CPU temps are in the region of 58-63C under full load. It's also stretching my PSU a bit, as my 12v rail drops to 11.89v at these settings.
 

furballi

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How would I confirm the ACTUAL speed of the PCI bus if it was set to AUTO? Does AUTO ALWAYS take the FSB and divide it by 3? I can't seem to locate this bit of information in the manual.

Prime95 works okay for me. Didn't go belly up until I cranked above 237MHz with all other parameters at DEFAULT. I'm sure I could go higher by bumping up the voltages and use memory divider (have KingMax SuperRam). The PS voltage remains steady around 12.12 VDC.

I believe the Winchester core is designed for stability up to about 2.2 to 2.3 GHz (+3500 speed). The new Venice should be able to push up to 3800.
 

Holy Smoke

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Originally posted by: furballi
How would I confirm the ACTUAL speed of the PCI bus if it was set to AUTO? Does AUTO ALWAYS take the FSB and divide it by 3? I can't seem to locate this bit of information in the manual.
You used to be able to see it in Sandra, but the latest version doesn't have it. The only "proof" I have of it being at 33mhz is within Abit's OCGuru, where it says "PCI Clock: Fixed (33mhz)".

I'm 100% sure about this though, as the original reason I looked into this was because my hard drives thrashed around more than they're supposed to, which has always been symptomatic of a high PCI clock. Since I fixed it to 33mhz in the bios, the drives are back to normal.
 

prosser13

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Does anyone know if the OCZ DDR Booster will work with the AX8, and how much voltage extra you can get? I am looking at the OCZ PC-3200 Gold VX which uses BH5 chips and is very cheap, but I want to be able to put 3.5V for it, as the warranty goes right up to there. The OCZ site has nothing on the AX8, and I am yet to recieve an answer from OCZ, so does anyone know? I'll post OCZ's answer when/if i get it.
 

BJ64

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Hi everybody..
after reading this thread for the last few weeks i finaly got me an AX8 and even though this is the first time to ever build a puter it works just fine considering the fact that i'm a part time coyboy with a day job of working at a water plant. The hard part was trying NOT to use baling wire and hose clamps on it whitch is the usual responce to issues from my occupations.
Now i'm not having any luck over clocking this thing except for using the presets but my cpu temp is about 46c and the sys temp is room tempature or one degree above - 27 or 28c. One thing that may be helping the sys temp is that there is a Tt typhoon cpu cooler hanging over it and blowing in that direction.
ummm... oh CPU is a 3200 winchester.. memory is just corsar value mem (2x512 sticks)..which may be part of my unsucessful OC attempts? ATI all in wonder x600.

final result is im quite happy with it although i'd like to be able to get at least 10% OC out of it .
 

BJ64

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since im new to the fourm..i just figured that is is not nessary to hit the submit button more than once.
 

vladomir

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Hello,
has anybody tried highst fsb of this board? donnelly report fsb over 330, and in hexus review, there was only 232 fsb.., in another review I have readen the fsb limit of 300.., quite big differences from different sources..,
so what is yours fsb limit ? ( I dont mean best total overclocking, only fsb ),
...new venice should work on 300*9 on some good motherboard.., but I am not sure if this is it..,
..higher temperature readings are no problem on this board, I had abit av8 and temperatures
reported were high although the cpu heatsink was cold !!!
 

ChineseDemocracyGNR

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BJ64,
welcome to the forum.
When overclocking, what steps are you taking? Have you ever overclocked an A64 before?

vladomir,
I think Hexus received an early sample of the board. I haven't heard a complaint of this board in the overclocking area yet.
 

furballi

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What type of CPU cooler are you using? Did you clean the mating surfaces with isopropyl alcohol prior to assemby? A lint on the surface can adversely affect cooling performance. Make sure you apply the thermal grease per the manufacturer's instruction.

Go into the BIOS and monitor the temperature of the CPU, SYS, and PWR immediately after powering up the PC. Both should start around 25C if the PC has been off for more than two hours (room temp), and quickly ramp up to about 30C within 10 minutes. My CPU temp is around 35C most of the time. Peak temp is 43C when running prime95. I'm using the Zalman 7000Cu cooler.

I think the Corsair Value will handle a small amount of overclock. I'm using KingMax DDR400 SuperRam and have NO problem running 220MHz FSB with RAM at 2.5-3-3-8-1T. Other settings in BIOS are DEFAULT/AUTO. I would first reset the BIOS. The go into the BIOS (MicroGuru utility) and set the CPU operating speed to USER DEFINED. Now increase the EXTERNAL CLOCK from 204 to 205. Save setting (F10) and reboot. Continue to raise the EXTERNAL CLOCK by 1 until you encounter boot/windows problem.

Use Prime95 and Memtest86+ to test system stability at the new clock speed.
 

vladomir

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Hello Chinese democracy,
I havent heard a complaint in overclocking too, but have heard about result about fsb 230, whit is not enough.., If I could see more overclocking results around 300 fsb, I wouldnt doubt, if this is a motherboard for me...,
( I mean only the fsb limit of this board, using ram, htt and cpu devider..., because the best total oveclocking depends more on each cpu and ram....which has everybody different..)
 

BJ64

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Hi and thanks for the welcome!
..ChineseDemocracyGNR..No I've never overclocked any thing before..This is my first build and for the most part the puter was built around the ATI all in wonder x600 video card. We deal alot in horses and video clips of the horses are a big help in buying and selling. The AX8 was a board that would let me use that video card and still use a 64 bit processer.
...On the side i got cought up in Seti and like the idea of pushing it a lil faster.
...My overclocking steps have been just limited to playing with the OC Guru whitch w/ me poking things is probably not as good as having my kids do it for me .

.....furballi...I'm using a Tt Big Typhoon for a CPU cooler...With the winnie 3200 running at 2160 with the Guru preset of Turbo CPU temp is 48C with a room temp of 30C. I dont realy think the room is that warm more like 27C in reality. I did wipe off the chip with some Kimax lab wipes ( lint free ) and used some thermo grease from the Electrical and Instrumentation maintance boys at where I work. It is something from Dupont that comes in a big can and sticks to everything.

I'm going to try your procedure as soon as i'm done with this and see what happens.

Thanks!
 

ChineseDemocracyGNR

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In addition to what furballi said, you need to lower LDT multiplier from 5x to 4x. LDT multiplier * "External Clock" should always be equal or under 1000 (default is 5*200). I would also recommend that you first find the limit of your CPU, by taking the memory out of the equation. To do that lower the memory divider from DDR400 to DDR333 (that's not the actual vale; memory frequency is synchronous to external clock).

 

renethx

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Hi BJ64,

My rig happens to be the same as yours (A64 3200+ Winchester, AX8, Corsair Value Select PC3200 2 x 512MB). So my settings of overclocking (to 2.20 GHz, 2.40 GHz, 2.66 GHz) may be helpful. (Maximum stable CPU frequency in my system seems to be somewhere between 2.66 GHz and 2.70 GHz.) First, you should change External Clock and Voltages settings NOT in BIOS but in ?ABIT OC Guru? within Windows until you fully understand what is going on and to what extent your system can tolerate. Otherwise you have to clear CMOS each time the system crashes! Second, value RAM should not be a bottleneck of overclocking or performance in real-world applications as discussed in Official 939 Memory Matrix. However, since maximum stable frequency of this value RAM is around 220 MHz, you need to use memory divider in BIOS. For more details of overclocking A64, please read Quick and dirty A64 clocking guide. Once you learn the basic, you will be able to enjoy various settings with confidence. If you find your favorite setting, you may change External Clock and Voltages settings in ?uGuru Utility? in BIOS.

In case you have changed the BIOS settings, please clear CMOS and restore the default before proceeding. Then enter the BIOS Setup, select ?Power Management Setup?, and disable ?Cool?n?Quiet Technology? (just to make the CPU multiplier transparent). Boot into Windows and run ?ABIT OC Guru?. Pull down ?OC Guru Setting? subscreen and make sure that the ?Default? button is selected. Click the ?Configure Preset? button. In ?Configure Preset? dialog box, select User1, User2, User3 respectively from the dropdown menu and enter the following values:

User1 Ext Clock: 220, PCIE Clock: 100, VCore: 1.5000, VDDR: 2.90, VNB: 1.60, VSB: 2.60, VHT: 1.30, VDDRRef: Omv, CPU FanEQ: Normal

User2 Ext Clock: 240, PCIE Clock: 100, VCore: 1.5250, VDDR: 2.60, VNB: 1.65, VSB: 2.65, VHT: 1.35, VDDRRef: Omv, CPU FanEQ: Cool

User3 Ext Clock: 266, PCIE Clock: 100, VCore: 1.5500, VDDR: 2.60, VNB: 1.65, VSB: 2.65, VHT: 1.35, VDDRRef: Omv, CPU FanEQ: Cool

User1, User2, and User3 are intended to overclock CPU to 2.20 GHz, 2.40 GHz, 2.66 GHz respectively. Now you have to change ?DRAM Clock? and ?LDT Bus Frequency? in BIOS. These settings depend on the intended CPU frequency.

Overclocking to 2.20 GHz (External Clock: 220 MHz, CPU multiplier: x 10, DRAM Clock: DDR400 = 220 MHz, LDT Bus Frequency: FSB x 5 = 1100 MHz). Enter the BIOS Setup and select ?Advanced Chipset Features?. Select ?DRAM Configuration?. Select ?DRAM Timing Selectable? and select ?By SPD? and accept. Select ?DRAM Timing Selectable? again and select Manual and accept. Then select ?DRAM Clock? and select DDR400. The actual memory frequency will be 220 MHz = PC3520 (400 : 400 = 1 : 1 = 220 : 220). This is the reason for raising VDDR to 2.90 V. Select ?DRAM Command Rate? and select 1T. Exit. Next select ?LDT & PCI Bus Control?. Select ?LDT Bus Frequency? and choose FSB x 5. The HT bus frequency will be 220 MHz x 5 = 1100 MHz. This is higher than the spec. frequency of 1 GHz, but the system should be stable. Save and exit the BIOS Setup. Now boot into Windows. Run ?ABIT OC Guru?, pull down ?OC Guru Setting? and press the User1 button. Run CPU-Z and make sure that CPU Frequency is 2200 MHz and Memory Frequency is 220 MHz. Run SuperPi (1M) and make a quick stability test.

Dictionary: External Clock = FSB (Front Side Bus) (frequency). HT (HyperTransport) = LDT (Lightning Data Transfer).

Overclocking to 2.40 GHz (External Clock: 240 MHz, CPU multiplier: x 10, DRAM Clock: DDR333 = 200 MHz, LDT Bus Frequency: FSB x 4 = 960 MHz). Enter the BIOS Setup and this time change ?DRAM Clock? to DDR333. The actual memory frequency will be 200 MHz = PC3200 (400 : 333 = 6 : 5 = 240 : 200), so that the memory is completely stable. Then change ?LDT Bus Frequency? to FSB x 4. The HT bus frequency will be 240 MHz x 4 = 960 MHz. Boot into Windows and press the User2 button in ?ABIT OC Guru?. Run CPU-Z and make sure that CPU Frequency is 2400 MHz and Memory Frequency is 200 MHz. Run SuperPi and make a quick stability test.

Overclocking to 2.66 GHz (External Clock: 266 MHz, CPU multiplier: x 10, DRAM Clock: DDR266 = 177 MHz, LDT Bus Frequency: FSB x 4 = 1064 MHz). Enter the BIOS Setup and change ?DRAM Clock? to DDR266. The actual memory frequency will be 177 MHz = PC2832 (400 : 266 = 3 : 2 = 266 : 177). (The memory in my system is unstable at DDR333 = 222 MHz@2.90 V. Even if it were stable, the difference of real-world performance between DDR266 and DDR333 would be negligible.) ?LDT Bus Frequency? should remain FSB x 4. The HT bus frequency will be 266 MHz x 4 = 1064 MHz. Boot into Windows and press the User3 button in ?ABIT OC Guru?. Run CPU-Z and make sure that CPU Frequency is 2660 MHz and Memory Frequency is 177 MHz. Run SuperPi 32M. Your score will be 30+/-5 min (if your OS is WINXP; WIN2K is tad slow in this application, about x 1.2). Compare it in SuperPi Contest!

At this frequency and voltage, my CPU temperature rises up to 65 Celsius degree at full load with the stock heat sink and fan. As this is well below the critical temperature of 90 degree, I am not too much worried about cooling.

BTW, Cool?n?Quiet may be enabled or disabled in the BIOS Setup, that does not affect overclocking; it just adjusts the CPU multiplier according to the CPU load. For example, if it is enabled and Ext Clock is set to 266 MHz, then the CPU frequency will be 266 MHz x 5 = 1330 MHz at idle or normal load, and 266 MHz x 10 = 2660 MHz at full load. The memory frequency is proportional to Ext Clock, so remains 177 MHz.
 

renethx

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In my system VSB is set to 2.50V, the reading in ABIT EQ (BIOS) is 2.30V, the reading in ABIT EQ (Windows) is 2.18V. So far there has been no problem. I don't think the actual SB voltage is that low.
 

BJ64

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renethx
Thanks for all that info. For a little bit I was sure it was going to work. I'm quite sure that max stable speed for my mem is going to be 216. I'll have more to report after i do some playing around thanks to your link to the "Quick and dirty Guide"!

Another thing that may be affecting is the power supply. The 480 watt that i ordered was dead on arival and was sent back. This one from a local shop sez 370 MAX. A new 480 should be here near the end of this week.

But even despite this lil letdown I'm still very happy with the project in general. I did some video editing for the first time on it just a little bit ago. From field to web in 30 min whitch is quite a record for me.

AND that brings up my next question. How are we supposed to get that lil black thingy off of the SPDIF port!! LOL
 
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