Abit IP35-E $60 AR + ship Newegg, Back to $70 AR

[Heller]

I bite, i ordered the pro version for $110 shipped, but i really don't need the pro version of this board, so now its time to sell the pro version here!

 

[Spike]

using 15 here with an E8400 and it works quite well, currently at 3.7 stock volts

 

[frankqfrank]

I am going to get for my new rig, but will need new RAM also. I am going to get the E2180 to go with it. If I overclock it to 1066 FSB, does that mean I need to get DDR2 1066? Can I bump up the FSB and keep the RAM at DDR2 800? Sorry but I it's been 3 years since my last build.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Spike
using 15 here with an E8400 and it works quite well, currently at 3.7 stock volts

Can you tell me how 15 deals with the double boot issue and how it is in general?

I used 14 and it would sometimes hang at the BIOS screen during boot. It also did that during restarts so I reverted back to BIOS 12, which has the double boot issue, but has been far more stable for me.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: frankqfrank
I am going to get for my new rig, but will need new RAM also. I am going to get the E2180 to go with it. If I overclock it to 1066 FSB, does that mean I need to get DDR2 1066? Can I bump up the FSB and keep the RAM at DDR2 800? Sorry but I it's been 3 years since my last build.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that a fsb of 1066 meant it would sync with ddr2 533.

 

[bigpow]

Originally posted by: frankqfrank
Can I bump up the FSB and keep the RAM at DDR2 800? Sorry but I it's been 3 years since my last build.

in short, no.
the slowest synch ratio is 1:1 (unlike old gen chipsets e.g.: NF4)

Assuming your CPU can handle the clock and the mobo is stable, then max speed will depend on CPU multi i.e.: CPU multi 9X + your DDR2-800 = 'official' cap @3.6GHz, CPU multi 10X = cap @4GHz

Some people have better luck than me, they're able to run DDR2-800 RAM modules at DDR2-1000 speed! I've been hearing that the key is to find a DDR2-800 RAM at 1.8V (most of them run at 2.0V+)

 

[frankqfrank]

@sisq0 and bigpow, thanks. I was under the impression I need DDR2 800 to run at stock speed since it lists the FSB as 800 MHz.
So...
At speed 2.0 GHz (200MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 400 (or higher), FSB at 800 MHz (stock speed)
At speed 2.6 GHz (266MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 533 (or higher), FSB at 1066 MHz
At speed 3.3 GHz (333MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 667 (or higher), FSB at 1333 MHz

Question 1: Is this accurate?
Question 2: Why is everything "off" by a factor of 2? (i.e. DDR2 400 works with 800 MHz FSB)
Question 3: What increments can I adjust the FSB by using this mobo?

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by: frankqfrank
@sisq0 and bigpow, thanks. I was under the impression I need DDR2 800 to run at stock speed since it lists the FSB as 800 MHz.
So...
At speed 2.0 GHz (200MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 400 (or higher), FSB at 800 MHz (stock speed)
At speed 2.6 GHz (266MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 533 (or higher), FSB at 1066 MHz
At speed 3.3 GHz (333MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 667 (or higher), FSB at 1333 MHz

Question 1: Is this accurate?
Question 2: Why is everything "off" by a factor of 2? (i.e. DDR2 400 works with 800 MHz FSB)

Im a bit out off the loop to, but i belive if its ddr2 800, its running at 400mhz? correct?

 

[frankqfrank]

edited above to add: Question 3: What increments can I adjust the FSB by using this mobo?

 

[watek]

Increments of 1mhz.

200-600.

You really only need DDR2 800, if you're going to be overclocking to greater than 400 FSB. Since ram price is not much, might as well get DDR2 800 ram.

 

[moparacer]

has anybody gotten their rebate from the same deal 2 months ago???

I havent.....

 

[Bozo Galora]

Originally posted by: frankqfrank
I am going to get for my new rig, but will need new RAM also. I am going to get the E2180 to go with it. If I overclock it to 1066 FSB, does that mean I need to get DDR2 1066? Can I bump up the FSB and keep the RAM at DDR2 800? Sorry but I it's been 3 years since my last build.

Coincidentally, I just threw in a 2180 to help sell an old Gigabyte P965 mobo I had
I have no interest to the "e' cores, so I didnt pay much attention to what was happening.
I briefly tried a 10 X 300 (1200 rated FSB) and it booted once, then reset to defaults on next boot.
So it would have taken a lot of voltage boosting/experimentation that I had no time for
Note that you aint gonna get anywhere near 400 CPU bus (10 X 400)
http://xtreview.com/addcomment...2180-overclocking.html
but you could try the 9 multi @ 9 X 400
So DDR2 800 RAM (PC2 6400) is all you would need which would cover you up to PROCESSOR quad pumped rated FSB of 1600 from 400 host clock

I recall seeing a bunch of RAM ratios - 6 or 7 - so you wont have any trouble
When I set the bios at 10 X 300 at some ratio, I saw the RAM @ 798 (it auto calculates for you as you change the host bus and ram ratio)
In other words you are thinking about a CPU 266 X 4 quad pumped, instead of RAM 1066 (PC2 8500)
Just buy that Crucial PC6400 C4 2 GIG ram at the egg for $50

 

[frankqfrank]

thanks watek.

I just learned something searching the web for answers, however it raises another question for me. Here's the info.

"There are still many people confused about CPU and RAM and "matching" the
two. For many years now, RAM has been running asynchronous with CPU
timings. Thus, there is no longer any advantage at all in trying to "match"
RAM with your CPU."

Now my question. Let's use the E2180 at stock speed for example's sake. At 2.0 GHz (200MHz * 10.0) I would need AT LEAST DDR2 400 because the slowest sync ration is 1:1, but with faster RAM I could increase the ratio. The question is, what ratios can I do?

For example, The simple overclock to 2.66 GHz (10.0 x 266MHz) would need DDR2 533 (at 1:1). But could I make the ratio 2:1 and use DDR2 1066? What ratios are there?

EDIT: Bozo seemed to clear this up before I even asked, he must have a time machine.

Edit2: Found the answer to my question I think, at least for the IP35 Pro so it should be the same. Anyway, according to pics at ocforums thread the ratios available for CPURAM are..
1:1
1:1.2
1:1.25
1:1.5
1:1.66
1:2

 

[konakona]

I like the board in general, and the ATX 24pin connector placement was quite good.
There are some minor complaints/suggestions for improvement I listed in this thread.

Overall, this is a very good value. But I prefer the biostar board at the end of the day for the reasons found in the link.

well I managed to find a friend with an IP35-E and tested it extensively last night spending hours and hours of putting stuff back and forth.

well, yeah, the mobo wouldnt boot, so to RMA it goes. but I did managed to get the power LED igniting again, guess what the problem was? it was two pairs of DDR2 sticks from OCZ and patriot; the board seemed to get power with the cheapass HP micron ram. on the borowed mobo, POST was successful but it would never get past the first summary screen (would end up in a flashing cursor when attempting to enter bios settings). I suspect it could have been the subtle voltage threshold certain ram sticks need, and the way the mobo reacts to it depending on different bios revisions. regardless, it failed to POST so it is a moot point.

on a related note, I must mention some moderately significant complaints I have for the abit mobo. those particular sticks had no qualms whatsoever with a biostar mobo I happened to own. not only IP-35E lacks those nifty on-board poweron/reset buttons, it is missing a feature like on the biostar to save bios settings so I could go right back into those once I clear CMOS. the 4pin atx power connector is at a worst place it could have been, what a PITA to hook it up after having the mobo plated in the case! last but not least, pci section of the card is kinda cramped comparatively speaking, now I need to figure out a way to fit my modded sound card that takes up 3+ slots (not a very common case, but i was able to do this with the biostar no probs). the only thing in my eyes the abit has over the biostar is (reportedely) better QC and more memory dividers to choose from.

excuse me if I am off base on some of this stuff. last but not least, if AHCI works properly on the biostar, I might get a bit mad at Abit

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Spike
using 15 here with an E8400 and it works quite well, currently at 3.7 stock volts

Can you tell me how 15 deals with the double boot issue and how it is in general?

I used 14 and it would sometimes hang at the BIOS screen during boot. It also did that during restarts so I reverted back to BIOS 12, which has the double boot issue, but has been far more stable for me.

I have had 0 issues with 15 but then again, I had 0 with 13 except for a single dual boot the first time I started the pc. Now, this machine has only been running for a week but I have done at least 20 restarts due to all the patches, overclocking, installs, etc... with at least 6 of those on the new 15 and I have had 0 issues. I don't know what the comming problems are with 15 (or even 13 for that matter) but all in all it has been a good move.

for me I could not go back anyway since only 13 and above recognize the e8400 and only after I went to 15 could I see my temps.

Oh, and currently my 8GB of STT DDR-800 are running at 411 @ 1.95v and are stable for test 5 of memtest. I have not done any full passes, I hope to do some of those tonight when I go to bed.

 

[bigpow]

Originally posted by: frankqfrank
@sisq0 and bigpow, thanks. I was under the impression I need DDR2 800 to run at stock speed since it lists the FSB as 800 MHz.
So...
At speed 2.0 GHz (200MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 400 (or higher), FSB at 800 MHz (stock speed)
At speed 2.6 GHz (266MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 533 (or higher), FSB at 1066 MHz
At speed 3.3 GHz (333MHz * 10.0) I would need DDR2 667 (or higher), FSB at 1333 MHz

Question 1: Is this accurate?
Question 2: Why is everything "off" by a factor of 2? (i.e. DDR2 400 works with 800 MHz FSB)
Question 3: What increments can I adjust the FSB by using this mobo?

DDR2 = double of those DDR1.
Let's use my CPU for example:
9 x 333 = 3000 MHz
RAM required to run 1:1 at this setting is only DDR2-667.

If I have a DDR2-800 RAM, then I could run it at 1:1.2

Hope this helps

 

[LeonarD26]

I'm pumped guys. I have this board on the way, along with a new E2160. I didn't need the upgrade, but what the hell. For the price, it's hard to beat this combo I think.... Along with 4 gigs of HP RAM, this should be a nice upgrade from my Opty165/1gig ram.

 

[amheck]

Originally posted by: LeonarD26
I'm pumped guys. I have this board on the way, along with a new E2160. I didn't need the upgrade, but what the hell. For the price, it's hard to beat this combo I think.... Along with 4 gigs of HP RAM, this should be a nice upgrade from my Opty165/1gig ram.

I did a very similar upgrade, from an Opty165@2.5 to this board with an E6400 and also 4gigs of the HP RAM. I'm not a power user by any stretch, but yeah, it is fun getting new hardware.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: amheck

Originally posted by: LeonarD26
I'm pumped guys. I have this board on the way, along with a new E2160. I didn't need the upgrade, but what the hell. For the price, it's hard to beat this combo I think.... Along with 4 gigs of HP RAM, this should be a nice upgrade from my Opty165/1gig ram.

I did a very similar upgrade, from an Opty165@2.5 to this board with an E6400 and also 4gigs of the HP RAM. I'm not a power user by any stretch, but yeah, it is fun getting new hardware.

heh I am using the p35-e, 4gigs of HP ram and a E6400 in my main rig too

 

[Tempered81]

which bios are you guys running?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Am I alone to think that at $77 shipped after MIR this deal is not as attractive as say Gigabyte P35 boards for $20 more shipped, but no MIR involved and all solid caps?

 

[R3LIC]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Am I alone to think that at $77 shipped after MIR this deal is not as attractive as say Gigabyte P35 boards for $20 more shipped, but no MIR involved and all solid caps?

Nope. I was thinking the same thing.

 

[rbk123]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Am I alone to think that at $77 shipped after MIR this deal is not as attractive as say Gigabyte P35 boards for $20 more shipped, but no MIR involved and all solid caps?

Depends on whether the Gigabytes overclock as well as this board.

For the solid caps, most overclockers upgrade far sooner than the lifetime of the cheaper caps. I know I do, so I don't have a desire to spend an extra $20.

 

[bob4432]

typical of my life. i ordered a gigabyte p35-ds3l the same day before these came back in stock....

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: rbk123

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Am I alone to think that at $77 shipped after MIR this deal is not as attractive as say Gigabyte P35 boards for $20 more shipped, but no MIR involved and all solid caps?

Depends on whether the Gigabytes overclock as well as this board.

For the solid caps, most overclockers upgrade far sooner than the lifetime of the cheaper caps. I know I do, so I don't have a desire to spend an extra $20.

from what i have read, they both seem to do very well . personally i am not too worried about solid caps either. even my old skt462 board and a old 100MHz skt370 asus board still don't have cap issues...