Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: sprtfan
No that my rig is nice and quiet, I wanted to know if it is possiable to wake from S3 sleep from a USB device with this motherboard? My old mobo had a jumper to keep power on one of the USB ports so I would be able to wake from sleep. The Abit IP35-E did not have any jumpers but I was hoping that it might always have power on USB like my Asus A8N-SLI does? I can wake from my P/S2 mouse but that does not do me any good since I want to wake from my remote. Thanks

Id like to know this also. I have a Logitech MX3200 Laser mouse and keyboard combo that connects via USB.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

There's an option in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY. The default mode is S3. Not sure if remote will work. See page 2-15.

 

[sprtfan]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
There's an option in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY. The default mode is S3. Not sure if remote will work. See page 2-15.

I have it set in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY and it will not work with my USB mouse or keyboard. In the manual it pretty much said that it will not work with a USB keyboard and that a P/S2 mouse is needed. I'm probably out of luck on this one and should have looked into it before I purchased. I really thought this would be standard on new boards. Not really to big of a deal and I still think it is a great board for the money. I might move it from my HTPC to another setup though. Thanks for all the help

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I remember the board going into standby with my HP USB mouse and Microsoft 4000 ergo keyboard. Working the keyboard or mouse will bring PC back to life. Not sure if this is what you were asking.

I prefer to shut down the power (6 seconds). Boot time is 24 seconds with the Beta BIOS.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: sprtfan
I have it set in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY and it will not work with my USB mouse or keyboard. In the manual it pretty much said that it will not work with a USB keyboard and that a P/S2 mouse is needed. I'm probably out of luck on this one and should have looked into it before I purchased.

I'm not sure that works with any mobo & USB.
abits typically had jumpers to disable power to USB ports in standby i.e. on was default but they seem to have vanished in the latest round of mobos.

 

[sprtfan]

I found some more info here. http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=115416

They seem to be having the same problem and someone thought it might be a BIOS issue. I'll try to update my BIOS and see if it helps but someone else tried it and was still not able to wake from S3 sleep with a USB device even though there seems to be power supplied to the USB ports while asleep.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
To get the most accurate Vcore reading, disable C1E and EIST in BIOS. Also change the power mode in windows to desktop. Speedfan should show an idle Vcore that's dead on or 0.01V lower than BIOS setting.

The BIOS reading will generally be 0.02V lower than BIOS setting because the CPU is at 100% load. Stress testing with Orthos or S&M's heat mode will further depress Vcore by an additional 0.03 to 0.04V.

The Abit EQ program is very close to Speedfan's Vcore.

I had turned off the speedstep options (and always have it on the desktop setting) but was still getting that difference. I'll download Speedfan and see what it reports.

 

[sprtfan]

Originally posted by: Heidfirst

Originally posted by: sprtfan
I have it set in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY and it will not work with my USB mouse or keyboard. In the manual it pretty much said that it will not work with a USB keyboard and that a P/S2 mouse is needed. I'm probably out of luck on this one and should have looked into it before I purchased.

I'm not sure that works with any mobo & USB.
abits typically had jumpers to disable power to USB ports in standby i.e. on was default but they seem to have vanished in the latest round of mobos.

May be I'm not saying it right, but it worked on my old Asus A7N8X-Deluxe and works on my Asus A8N-SLI board. Once the computer is in S3 sleep mode, I want to be able to wake it up by hitting any key on my USB keyboard. Right now I have not been able to do this with the Abit IP35-E board. I either have to have a P/S2 mouse/keyboard hooked up, or I have to hit the power button on the computer.

 

[johnnysd]

Serpent,

Thanks. Couple of questions:

Why do you suggest resetting the CMOS before I even boot the system the first time? I have never seen that suggested before.

For a 6750 isn't 1.465 for Vcore above the rating for the chip?

http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLA9V

With most people getting 3.6Ghz+ with a 6750, you don't think 8x400 is a safe place to start?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: CP5670

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
To get the most accurate Vcore reading, disable C1E and EIST in BIOS. Also change the power mode in windows to desktop. Speedfan should show an idle Vcore that's dead on or 0.01V lower than BIOS setting.

The BIOS reading will generally be 0.02V lower than BIOS setting because the CPU is at 100% load. Stress testing with Orthos or S&M's heat mode will further depress Vcore by an additional 0.03 to 0.04V.

The Abit EQ program is very close to Speedfan's Vcore.

I had turned off the speedstep options (and always have it on the desktop setting) but was still getting that difference. I'll download Speedfan and see what it reports.

You must also disable C1E and EIST. My BIOS is set at 1.465. Speedfan shows idle Vcore @ 1.46. Same with Abit EQ. Voltage will drop to 1.42 under Orthos Large mode, and 1.41 under S&M's heat mode. Abit EQ and latest Speedfan should yield the same number. CPUz is 0.01 lower.

You should expect to see a maximum of 0.05 to 0.06Vdroop with a dual core CPU under load. Quad core may further depress Vdroop to 0.09.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: sprtfan

Originally posted by: Heidfirst

Originally posted by: sprtfan
I have it set in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY and it will not work with my USB mouse or keyboard. In the manual it pretty much said that it will not work with a USB keyboard and that a P/S2 mouse is needed. I'm probably out of luck on this one and should have looked into it before I purchased.

I'm not sure that works with any mobo & USB.
abits typically had jumpers to disable power to USB ports in standby i.e. on was default but they seem to have vanished in the latest round of mobos.

May be I'm not saying it right, but it worked on my old Asus A7N8X-Deluxe and works on my Asus A8N-SLI board. Once the computer is in S3 sleep mode, I want to be able to wake it up by hitting any key on my USB keyboard. Right now I have not been able to do this with the Abit IP35-E board. I either have to have a P/S2 mouse/keyboard hooked up, or I have to hit the power button on the computer.

No issue with my USB (HP 5188 optical) mouse and (Microsoft 4000 Ergo) keyboard.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: johnnysd
Serpent,

Thanks. Couple of questions:

Why do you suggest resetting the CMOS before I even boot the system the first time? I have never seen that suggested before.

For a 6750 isn't 1.465 for Vcore above the rating for the chip?

http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLA9V

With most people getting 3.6Ghz+ with a 6750, you don't think 8x400 is a safe place to start?

1.35 is the maximum design voltage. Add 10% if you want to overclock on air with a good CPU cooler. C1E and EIST will automatically lower your voltage to less than 1.3V when the CPU is not under heavy load.

Clearing CMOS will restore board to factory condition. Do this AFTER final assembly with PSU disconnected from the wall. Wait about 3 minutes before you restart the PC.

You could start as high as 450MHz if you have good chip. If you want a quick guesstimate of the maximum FSB, then start out at 380MHz. if you can boot into windows, then raise FSB by 5MHz. No need to test RAM or CPU. At some point, the PC will not POST. Use the previous stable FSB and run Orthos/Memtest to test for stability. If system is not stable, then back-off by 2MHz FSB and retest.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: CP5670

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
To get the most accurate Vcore reading, disable C1E and EIST in BIOS. Also change the power mode in windows to desktop. Speedfan should show an idle Vcore that's dead on or 0.01V lower than BIOS setting.

The BIOS reading will generally be 0.02V lower than BIOS setting because the CPU is at 100% load. Stress testing with Orthos or S&M's heat mode will further depress Vcore by an additional 0.03 to 0.04V.

The Abit EQ program is very close to Speedfan's Vcore.

I had turned off the speedstep options (and always have it on the desktop setting) but was still getting that difference. I'll download Speedfan and see what it reports.

You must also disable C1E and EIST. My BIOS is set at 1.465. Speedfan shows idle Vcore @ 1.46. Same with Abit EQ. Voltage will drop to 1.42 under Orthos Large mode, and 1.41 under S&M's heat mode. Abit EQ and latest Speedfan should yield the same number. CPUz is 0.01 lower.

You should expect to see a maximum of 0.05 to 0.06Vdroop with a dual core CPU under load. Quad core may further depress Vdroop to 0.09.

Yes, I meant I had disabled both of those settings. I have the Vcore BIOS setting at 1.45V and the PC Health section in the BIOS reports 1.40V. SpeedFan and Abit EQ both show 1.42V at idle and 1.38-1.39V on load.

Well, in any case, the configuration passed several hours of Orthos and the highest CPU temperature I saw was 48C. Whatever the voltage actually is, it's enough, so I don't think I'll worry about it. Thanks for your help.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Your board may have a 0.03V offset. The voltage drop is consistent under load. Temperature is under control. I'd enable C1E and EIST is BIOS if you're using the default multiplier. Also set power savings in windows to MINIMAL. These changes will allow your CPU to run at lower voltage and clock speed when idling.

I'd say the board is okay.

 

[sprtfan]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: sprtfan

Originally posted by: Heidfirst

Originally posted by: sprtfan
I have it set in BIOS to POWER ON FUNCTION with ANY KEY and it will not work with my USB mouse or keyboard. In the manual it pretty much said that it will not work with a USB keyboard and that a P/S2 mouse is needed. I'm probably out of luck on this one and should have looked into it before I purchased.

I'm not sure that works with any mobo & USB.
abits typically had jumpers to disable power to USB ports in standby i.e. on was default but they seem to have vanished in the latest round of mobos.

May be I'm not saying it right, but it worked on my old Asus A7N8X-Deluxe and works on my Asus A8N-SLI board. Once the computer is in S3 sleep mode, I want to be able to wake it up by hitting any key on my USB keyboard. Right now I have not been able to do this with the Abit IP35-E board. I either have to have a P/S2 mouse/keyboard hooked up, or I have to hit the power button on the computer.

No issue with my USB (HP 5188 optical) mouse and (Microsoft 4000 Ergo) keyboard.

If I remember right, you are using the Beta BIOS? Did the USB keyboard wake from S3 sleep before you updated the BIOS? I'm going to update the BIOS and see if it helps. I have found several places with people with the same issue but the threads are a few months old and a resolution was never posted. Hopefully the BIOS update takes care of it. If not, I might hook up a P/S2 mouse or I guess I could always get up and push the power button.

 

[Heidfirst]

Here's a similar post re. wake up via USB (or not) & an Asus P5B
http://forums.overclockers.co....wthread.php?t=17778262

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Running the factory 11 BIOS. No problemo. A more elegant solution is to move the ON/OFF switch to a location of choice. You can get the parts at many PC stores. Switch is a momentary close/open device. Add two wires with the proper plug at the end to fit into the MB's pins. Fry's should have all the parts for your mod.

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/case/switchPower-c.html

 

[sprtfan]

I'll double check everything when I get home to make sure it is enabled. Moving the ON/OFF switch sounds like a cool solution and I would have never even thought of it. Thanks

 

[SerpentRoyal]

It's perfectly okay to have two switches in parallel mode. That way, you can still use the first ON/OFF button at the case, and the second ON/OFF button at your main HT rig or keyboard. Both switches will be Normally Open when not in use. No need to go with anything larger than 24 gauge wire.

 

[WEW]

Is the Abit IP35 Pro worth the extra cost? I see the Abit IP35 Pro is now like $160 AR + Shipping while the Abit IP35-E is still $70 AR + Shipping.

Maybe I answered my own question - that is double the cost.

By the way has anyone else tried the beta bios - does it resolve the double boot completely.

 

[SOSTrooper]

For anyone who is wondering, or just plain curious, I installed a Thermaltake V1 CPU fan on this board, and this is the result. It's a 1 mm gap.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: WEW
Is the Abit IP35 Pro worth the extra cost? I see the Abit IP35 Pro is now like $160 AR + Shipping while the Abit IP35-E is still $70 AR + Shipping.

Maybe I answered my own question - that is double the cost.

By the way has anyone else tried the beta bios - does it resolve the double boot completely.

Yes...read my review at the bottom of my 1st post.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: WEW
Is the Abit IP35 Pro worth the extra cost?

Depends whether you need/want the features - if you don't then no, if you do then yes.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: WEW
Is the Abit IP35 Pro worth the extra cost?

I had an IP35 Pro. Just sold it this morning for $150. The BIOS is still unrefined. Fan speed control can lockup, requiring BIOS reset. Same with the occasional flashing BIOS screen.

I have an E4300 and E6320. Both topped out at the same FSB with IP35-E and IP35 Pro.

The IP35-E is better at overclocking four sticks of RAM. The difference was about 25MHz.

-E can control the speed of 2-wire fan. The Pro board requires a 3rd rpm wire for speed control. Note that two of the -E's fan headers run at full speed all the time.

Finally, -E has a faster LAN port on paper. You'll never see this gain under normal use.

IP Pro adds 1394a, eSATA, and RAID. USB 2.0 is only 10% slower than 1394a. I could add eSATA support in the future if needed for $15. As for RAID, I don't move GB of data to benefit from RAID 0. The downside is higher failure rate. If you must use RAID, then I would recommend a quality RAID card, instead of on-chip RAID support.

 

[batmanwcm]

After some pretty good reviews, I bought the board. I got a E6600 overclocked to 3.4GHz Prime95 stable pretty easily. I'm going to take it further as it still has some headroom left. Vdroop could be better but for $70, I really can't complain. This is a simple, effective overclocking board and it definitely has that bang for the buck factor.