Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

[Mucker]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

So, the question is, does my Q6600 run abnormally hot? From the looks of it and doing the math, the answer would be 'No'. However, with people posting reports of 55c load temps on air, I really have to question that validity of those claims.

Here's a short test I just ran in 82F ambient: http://members.cox.net/mucker/Temps.jpg

Q6600 G0 727A @ 3400 MHz (425x8) @ 1.440v bios locked

Coretemp reading 2C cooler than AbitEQ.

All cpu's have different characteristics. I had a fleet of Opteron 146's that all had different temp profiles. Some ran very hot compared to others at the same voltage and speed. You certainly may just have a hot cpu out of the factory.

What is the stepping/week, and is it B3 or G0?

 

[ArchAngel777]

B3... :-/

 

[Mucker]

B3 is a good cpu. G0 has differences too, the A and B steppings can vary much temperature wise. As I said it is often luck of the draw out of the factory sometimes. Sad but true.....

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Received my $40 IP35-E rebate from Abit today. Took six weeks. Mailed from Oakland, Ca.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I hate double posting, but I am going to post this here for others to read so they don't have to link to another thread with the same exact post (received complaints, but didn't want to violate the rules) Anyway, here is the post!

I decided to test my friends E6750 because he wasn't sure if his motherboard was bad or if the chip was bad. Being that I just built my new C2Q rig and am having heat problems, I welcomed the idea as it would help me diagnose if I am simply doing something wrong, or if my Q6600 simple runs to damn hot.

Both tests were done in 23c room temperature, ran P95 mixed mode and temperatures were taken at 10 minutes into the test.

Q6600 @ 3.2Ghz (400x8 1.312v) Hottest CPU Core = 80c, PWM = 77c PIC

E6750 @ 3.6Ghz (450x8 1.46vv) Hottest CPU Core = 56c, PWM = 54c PIC

Tested with Tuniq Tower 120 - Fan on high. 4 Antec case fans on high.

So, the question is, does my Q6600 run abnormally hot? From the looks of it and doing the math, the answer would be 'No'. However, with people posting reports of 55c load temps on air, I really have to question that validity of those claims. Not because it isn't possible, but it just seems to me that if someone can run their Q6600 @ 3.2Ghz at 55c load, then it would stand to reason you can run your E6750 @ 30c load... Now, I never heard of that... In AT's test of their heat sinks they don't even test full load like Orthos/P95, they run like FarCry looped or something and their numbers are far from 30c on 'load'. So, I dunno guys, what do you think? Are people exaggerating their idle and load times? Or are people misreporting them innocently? Before I update the BIOS on my motherboard, the temps were 15c lower accross the board (they were reporting Tcase, or some BS like that) and truly thought my Q6600 was running great... I flashed BIOS and noticed that SOB was running far hotter than I thought. So, I wonder if a lot of people just think their temps are lower than they are.

Also, what is the wattage these things output? All things being equal (3.2, same voltage) I would expect a quad to have double the heat. However, the C2D runs higher voltage and clock speed, which increases its thermal output. It seems to be in the scenario I tested above that the E6750 = 125ish watts or so heat, and the Q6600 = 175ish watts... Just a guestimate!

Edit ** I am considering one of those things if my temps are still too high when I receive my new Thermalright SI-128 SE. I am either going to RMA my chip for a replacement, or I am going to lap it. I almost lapped it tonight, but I figured I better not rush something like that. I don't want to regret it. Hell, I am almost tempted to buy my friends E6750 and just ditch this Q6600. Runs too damn hot and before Aigo comes in and says I told ya so! I just gotta say, yeah, you were right... Water cooling does not look so bad afterall

You have a poorly seated CPU heatsink or bad solder at the chip. All four cores should be within +/-2C. Based on your pic, the CPU temperature should be around 71C. That's still a tad warm for Q6600 at 3.2GHz and 23C room. If you run E6750 at 3.2GHz, then you'll probably see 50-52C. A properly seated quad at 3.2GHz with a good CPU cooler should come in around 62-64C. Note that this is the norm for Q6600. Individual chip can and will vary significantly from the norm.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Mucker

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

So, the question is, does my Q6600 run abnormally hot? From the looks of it and doing the math, the answer would be 'No'. However, with people posting reports of 55c load temps on air, I really have to question that validity of those claims.

Here's a short test I just ran in 82F ambient: http://members.cox.net/mucker/Temps.jpg

Q6600 G0 727A @ 3400 MHz (425x8) @ 1.440v bios locked

Coretemp reading 2C cooler than AbitEQ.

All cpu's have different characteristics. I had a fleet of Opteron 146's that all had different temp profiles. Some ran very hot compared to others at the same voltage and speed. You certainly may just have a hot cpu out of the factory.

What is the stepping/week, and is it B3 or G0?

Abit EQ can over report temp by about 2 to 4C. Your numbers look very similar to many overclocked Q6600s.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
B3... :-/

B3 are famous for running HOT. Perhaps that's why many cannot get them much above 3.4GHz. GOOG B3 stepping.

A buddy returned is B3 because it was a POS. He's working on his 3rd CPU. Hehehehhh. Either get a GO or wait for 45nm quads to drop in price.

 

[SOSTrooper]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
3. Boot into windows and manually adjust RAM voltage and timing per the mfr's specs. Change USB keyboard and mouse support from OS to BIOS. Change memory divider to 1:1 (FSB speed = RAM speed). Set optical drive (name of drive near the bottom of the list) as 1st boot, HDD as 2nd boot, and disable boot support for ALL OTHER DEVICES. Hit F10 to save BIOS.

You meant BIOS. Good job on the OC'ing tutorial!

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
3. Boot into windows and manually adjust RAM voltage and timing per the mfr's specs. Change USB keyboard and mouse support from OS to BIOS. Change memory divider to 1:1 (FSB speed = RAM speed). Set optical drive (name of drive near the bottom of the list) as 1st boot, HDD as 2nd boot, and disable boot support for ALL OTHER DEVICES. Hit F10 to save BIOS.

You meant BIOS. Good job on the OC'ing tutorial!

OKAY...thanks for correction.

 

[SilentAssassin]

Keep in mind Arch, those people that run their Q6600 @ 3.2-3.6ghz and get 55c load use a Thermalright Ultra 120 E and it's lapped. Most also have an extra fan blowing our across the pwm to help temps more. The Tuniq is great for a C2D but Thermalright is the king when it comes to a quad, especially a B3.

 

[harbin]

Re-orientate the tuniq 120 from blowing towards power supply to towards front with an extra 120mm fan (placed at i/o plate) blowing to tuniq drops the loaded temp by 18C (from 74 to 56). e6420 o/c to 3.6g.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Posted this in the CPU Forum...

Well, I am happy to report that my lapped Q6600 has lowered temperatures across all cores by about 8-10c It also evened out the cores a bit, but not as much as I had hoped. Before Core 0 was up to 9 degrees warmer than Core 3. Well, now they only have a delta of 4-5 degrees. So that is improved.

I was nervous before taking the CPU out of the case and setting out to do it. But once I took it out, the fear left me and I lapped away... It started out slow so I speed up the process... Took a good 2 hours to lap it. I went through about 10 sheets of sand paper 220/400/800/1500. I didn't really mirror out well, I just did two sheets of 1500 slightly damp. Not the mirror effect that some have Excuse the crappy pictures...

I knew I had a lot of work when I seen this...

Two hours later... Finally...

I also lapped my Tuniq Tower, but that was pretty good overall so I didn't spend more than about 15 minutes on it.

Edit ** Now I have to see how my Thermalright SI-128 SE handles this...

Have a good night guys! See ya tomorrow!

 

[harbin]

Too much Vroop on the ip35?

Bios 1.5250v. Speedfan 1.46.! 0.06v?

 

[Mucker]

Good job Arch! Put your camera in Portrait mode when taking closeups of objects, took me a while to figure that one out, but the pics will be crystal clear...

 

[Mucker]

Originally posted by: harbin
Too much Vroop on the ip35?

Bios 1.5250v. Speedfan 1.46.! 0.06v?

Yup, 0.06 is what I see too,

1.440 bios
1.410 AbitEQ idle
1.350 AbitEQ load

however, I have 100% stabilty and the Q6600 runs closer to Intel recommended max voltage at full load.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Posted this in the CPU Forum...

Well, I am happy to report that my lapped Q6600 has lowered temperatures across all cores by about 8-10c It also evened out the cores a bit, but not as much as I had hoped. Before Core 0 was up to 9 degrees warmer than Core 3. Well, now they only have a delta of 4-5 degrees. So that is improved.

I was nervous before taking the CPU out of the case and setting out to do it. But once I took it out, the fear left me and I lapped away... It started out slow so I speed up the process... Took a good 2 hours to lap it. I went through about 10 sheets of sand paper 220/400/800/1500. I didn't really mirror out well, I just did two sheets of 1500 slightly damp. Not the mirror effect that some have Excuse the crappy pictures...

I knew I had a lot of work when I seen this...

Two hours later... Finally...

I also lapped my Tuniq Tower, but that was pretty good overall so I didn't spend more than about 15 minutes on it.

Edit ** Now I have to see how my Thermalright SI-128 SE handles this...

Have a good night guys! See ya tomorrow!

I suspected that you had some sort of heat transfer issue. Always use a straight edge to check surface flatness. Your temp was above average and you had to crank on the CPU cooler to achieve acceptable cooling. Finally, there was a large temperature discrepancy between the cores. Those are signs of an improperly seated CPU cooler or bad solder joints. Glad you were able to zero in on the problem.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Mucker

Originally posted by: harbin
Too much Vroop on the ip35?

Bios 1.5250v. Speedfan 1.46.! 0.06v?

Yup, 0.06 is what I see too,

1.440 bios
1.410 AbitEQ idle
1.350 AbitEQ load

however, I have 100% stabilty and the Q6600 runs closer to Intel recommended max voltage at full load.

0.06 drop is excellent for an overclocked quad. I'm down 0.04 with dual core under Orthos Large mode. Voltage is dead-on at idle (C1E and EIST disabled).

 

[perdomot]

How much vdroop while doing stuff like surfing web or copying files?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: perdomot
How much vdroop while doing stuff like surfing web or copying files?

If you turn off C1E and EIST, then you should see between 0.02 and 0.03 max per Abit EQ or Speedfan.

 

[ArchAngel777]

My Vdroop is .05v @ 3.2Ghz (400x8)

I set my voltage in BIOS at 1.38v, it ends up idling at 1.34v and under load it runs at 1.29v

The vdroop is greater when I clock it higher (at 3.6Ghz) I believe it is .08v under those circumstances.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: perdomot
How much vdroop while doing stuff like surfing web or copying files?

Very minimal, almost non existent.

 

[Abdo]

Hey. First up, great thread; persuaded me to go for an IP35-E over a 650 sli board. Basic question, should I go for Crucial PC5300 (Crucial DDR2 PC5300 2048MB CL5 Kit w/two matched DDR2 PC5300 1024MB CL5) or Corsair PC6400 (Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 2048MB CL5 Kit w/two matched CM2X1024A-6400 Dimm's) ram? The Corsair is advertised as being optimised for nforce 650i, which I'm guessing you will tell me is irrelevant, but anyway. I've also read that I'd be unlikely to notice the difference between the two rated speeds because they are both more than enough for current cpus. One other thing: Serpent, I noticed Corsair wasn't in your list of recommended ram manufacturers, any particular reason?

The ram'll be with an E6750 and an XFX 8800 GTS 640 XXX.

TIA.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

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[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
1GB HP/Crucial 1.8V DDR2 667 is only $15 AR, limit 5 for rebate. These are rated at 333MHz with 1.8V, but will hit 400MHz with 2.0V and 5-5-5-15-2T timing. IP35-E will boot and overclock with four sticks at default voltage.

You'll never see the difference with either RAM under normal use. Why didn't I recommend Corsair?

- Not 100% JEDEC compliance
- Had problem with two RMAs and rebates. I sent three rebates to AZ over the last two years. Two were MIAs. Had to fax in my copies to get my checks. I know the US postal service is not 33% efficient.
- Overpriced

Note that you have an 8x multi CPU. Therefore, you may need to run your memory above 400MHz if you want to oveclock the chip beyond 3.2GHz. I'd would then recommend the DDR2 800 HP RAMs ($28/GB), or Corsair. Go with the lowest cost after rebate.

A better choice would be an E2160/E2180/E4300/E4400/E4500. 50% of these chips will be able to hit 3.2GHz. These are just a hair slower than the E6750 at the same core speed. I've seen E2160/E4300/E4400 at $70. With these higher multi CPUs, you can use the $15 HP RAMs and still be able to overclock up to 3.6GHz.

http://www.costcentral.com/pro...ail/HP/PX976AT/L49299/

http://www.costcentral.com/pro...ail/HP/AH058AT/L95820/

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2099932&enterthread=y

 

[imported_jnk]

hello all,

i am not sure if i am to post this here. i do need some help though.

I recently bought the ff:

E2160
Abit IP35-E
Geil 2x1GB DDR2 800
Gecube HD2600XT
Hec 550AB PSU

I installed it on a super lanboy case, with 1x120 intake(front-low), and 1x120 exhaust fans. I am using the stock cooler on my cpu.

My temps on idle are from 54-56c, while when gaming it reaches 62-64c. I then bought and applied Thermalrites chill factor. Temps dropped to 51-53 on idle, and 59-62c when gaming. I applied the paste on the cpu and not on the HSF, and I installed the HSF flat, straight from above the cpu.

Ive checked all possible angles on the HSF and it does seem flat, I tried nudging it, and it doesnt move a muscle.

Im worried since ive seen people using the stock HSF and get lower temps than mine. Im also using the default bios on the board dated 7/19/07.

Is there anything wrong?

Here's a link with the temps before applying the paste.
temps before applying chill factor paste

I have no pic after applying the chill factor, i might as well get one.


I appreciate the help. Will changing the bios help? ive seen in the first post that it might correctly show the temp reading of the cpu.