Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

[SerpentRoyal]

Did you run HDTune? Can you copy a large image file from one partition to another (same HDD) and check for throughput speed? My speed is 28MB/s using Seagate 7200.8...707MB image file from partition F to partition G.

TI is a boat's anchor. Patches on top of patches. Over 60MB download file for an imaging application! If you want a windows-based program, then check out Drive Snapshot. I prefer to image my data outside of windows using BootIt NG (BING). BING fits on a floppy and includes an imaging, non-destructive partitioning, and boot-loader in one program! Be back in a few minutes for throughput test.

OK...Abit IP35-E/E4300 @ 3.46GHz/250GB 7200.8/BING

OS partition size...947MB
Image creation speed from partition C to partition F...22.8MB/s
Image restoration speed from partition F to partition C...26.2MB/s

This is on par with my main ECS KN1 Lite/Opteron 146 @ 2.97GHz/250GB 7200.8/BING rig.

You can download the FULL trial version of BING and use it for 30 days. Run the software directly from the boot CD or floppy outside of windows. No need to install the program.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Did you run HDTune? Can you copy a large image file from one partition to another (same HDD) and check for throughput speed? My speed is 28MB/s using Seagate 7200.8...707MB image file from partition F to partition G.

TI is a boat's anchor. Patches on top of patches. Over 60MB download file for an imaging application! If you want a windows-based program, then check out Drive Snapshot. I prefer to image my data outside of windows using BootIT NG (BING). BING fits on a floppy and includes an imaging, non-destructive partitioning, and boot-loader in one program! Be back in a few minutes for throughput test.

I'll run it in the next day or two and post the throughput.

You must be referring to an older version of TI...its around 100mb for v.10.

Thx for the alternative image suggestions, but I wouldn't use anything else tho. It includes incremental backups, scheduling, mounting, easy restoring, and editing of images which adds to the installation size. Unfortunately they do require numerous services running simultaneously, but I find that a minimal inconvenience. Mainly tho, the easy scheduling has been a lifesaver multiple times over the last few years, running incremental updates about 2 days a week so a restoration will include most if not all important files and updates, etc.

 

[bryanW1995]

ok, I'm through at 8x438. Had to use 1.47v to get that. full load temps only 50c, however. I got up to 6x468, couldn't get windows to load any higher than that. had an fsb hole from 440-450, computer wouldn't power up or even attempt to post, went away at 451.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I've had friends with bad TI image files using the incremental approach. TI works well for some but not for others. I suspect your problem is with the TI software, and not the limitation of the JMicron device. HDTune's throughput graph should quickly show any performance anomaly. BING has been 100% reliable for us since 2001. Not much has changed in the software except for additional support of USB, etc.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
ok, I'm through at 8x438. Had to use 1.47v to get that. full load temps only 50c, however. I got up to 6x468, couldn't get windows to load any higher than that. had an fsb hole from 440-450, computer wouldn't power up or even attempt to post, went away at 451.

440 FSB link:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...ad.php?t=147163&page=5

444 FSB link:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...d.php?t=147163&page=18

450 FSB link:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...d.php?t=147163&page=11

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...d.php?t=147163&page=23

It appears that there may be some sort of issue with your chip/RAM interaction. Based on the four links above and my personal experience with the IP35-E, there is no FSB hole between 440 and 450MHz (IP35-E, IP35, and IP35 Pro).

 

[SerpentRoyal]

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http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=BA23929&RSKU=BA23929

 

[garikfox]

No double boot on mine unless I put the voltages to there defaults while OC'ing.

FYI: Im at 8 x 400, health check = CPU Volt 1.30, mem 1.92, VTT 1.22, NB 1.44

 

[pwnagesarus]

How much better is the NB cooling on IP35 when compared to the IP35-E?

Just curious.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I'd say about 10C max. I'm using the IP 35 Pro as the reference board. Don't have IP35 for evaluation. That said, the IP35-E's NB is warm at 488MHz FSB. I can touch the heat sink all day without issue. MOSFET and SB heat sinks are luke-warm. There should not be a thermal issue if you have a 120mm rear exhaust fan.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: garikfox
No double boot on mine unless I put the voltages to there defaults while OC'ing.

FYI: Im at 8 x 400, health check = CPU Volt 1.30, mem 1.92, VTT 1.22, NB 1.44

Only double-post during cold boot. No problem when you restart the PC from windows.

Perhaps Abit has shipped your board with a newer BIOS. Latest version is 11 (5/24/07).

 

[garikfox]

yep I have ver. 11 and still no double boot never no matter what.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

OS? Which HDD? Wanna swap board? What's your exact config? Perhaps this board doesn't like my EVGA card.

 

[garikfox]

If you look closely youll have the answer to your ?'s, lol

 

[SerpentRoyal]

What about fan settings and other parameters in BIOS? Trying to duplicate your exact setting. Could be a bug with the BIOS.

 

[garikfox]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
OS? Which HDD? Wanna swap board? What's your exact config? Perhaps this board doesn't like my EVGA card.

heres my BIOS setup:

8 x 400

PCI-E - 100Mhz

Mem - 1:1

C1e/EIST - Disabled

Mem volts 1.95

NB 1.45

SB 1.55

VTT 1.23

CPU 1.34

MEM at Manual = AUTO

Fan settings at defaults 4 pin etc.

 

[garikfox]

Yes its a BUG in the BIOS you just have to find the so called "Switch" to disable it which I found obv.

 

[Kupe]

Ok, I've been experimenting some more. After turning off EIST alone, overclocking is way easier, as I'm sure everyone already knows. I figured this would disable the ramping between low and high voltages, but with EIST off I retain this functionality. I'm pretty happy about it, but I'm confused. What is the point of the EIST setting if my processor behaves the same way with it off? Anyway, I now seem to be stable with these settings, although I need to do more testing:

8 x 400 = 3200Mhz

PCI-E - 100Mhz

Mem - 1:1

Virtualization technology/EIST - Disabled

Mem voltage: 2.2 (What crucial suggests)

NB default

SB default

VTT default

CPU Set to 1.41, reads as 1.35

Memory timings:
4
4
4
12
24
5
auto
auto
auto

With these settings I haven't gone above 55C on the stock cooler.

And I always have the double post on a cold boot. Pretty crazy, garikfox.

 

[garikfox]

yeah I know guess its a "boot" thing, I do use SCSI.

But I SWEAR i have not had a Double boot, I did have one like I said when I OC'ed and set the CPU,NB,VTT at there bare min. with 8 x 400.

So guess I got a updated mobo then, hehee sweet !

 

[garikfox]

Originally posted by: Kupe
Ok, I've been experimenting some more. After turning off EIST alone, overclocking is way easier, as I'm sure everyone already knows. I figured this would disable the ramping between low and high voltages, but with EIST off I retain this functionality. I'm pretty happy about it, but I'm confused. What is the point of the EIST setting if my processor behaves the same way with it off? Anyway, I now seem to be stable with these settings, although I need to do more testing:

8 x 400 = 3200Mhz

PCI-E - 100Mhz

Mem - 1:1

Virtualization technology/EIST - Disabled

Mem voltage: 2.2 (What crucial suggests)

NB default

SB default

VTT default

CPU Set to 1.41, reads as 1.35

Memory timings:
4
4
4
12
24
5
auto
auto
auto

With these settings I haven't gone above 55C on the stock cooler.

And I always have the double post on a cold boot. Pretty crazy, garikfox.

Try NB 1.45, SB 1.55, VTT 1.23 see if yer double boot stops.

 

[Kupe]

Nope, still the same. It doesn't bother me though.

 

[Kupe]

Originally posted by: Kupe
Ok, I've been experimenting some more. After turning off EIST alone, overclocking is way easier, as I'm sure everyone already knows. I figured this would disable the ramping between low and high voltages, but with EIST off I retain this functionality. I'm pretty happy about it, but I'm confused. What is the point of the EIST setting if my processor behaves the same way with it off? Anyway, I now seem to be stable with these settings, although I need to do more testing:

Oh, I guess it's C1E that's responsible for this. I don't really understand what EIST offers me in addition to C1E. Hopefully not much.

 

[garikfox]

Originally posted by: Kupe

Originally posted by: Kupe
Ok, I've been experimenting some more. After turning off EIST alone, overclocking is way easier, as I'm sure everyone already knows. I figured this would disable the ramping between low and high voltages, but with EIST off I retain this functionality. I'm pretty happy about it, but I'm confused. What is the point of the EIST setting if my processor behaves the same way with it off? Anyway, I now seem to be stable with these settings, although I need to do more testing:

Oh, I guess it's C1E that's responsible for this. I don't really understand what EIST offers me in addition to C1E. Hopefully not much.

EIST = Intel Speedstep Tehcnology, It basicly drops the GHz on the CPU when u dont need it. Kinda like a "Automatic" CPU, lol

C1E = Enabled this lowers wattage/CPU PWR consumption.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Thanks. Will do some tests this weekend. I'm running 2-pin fan, C1E/EIST enabled, 1:1.25 divider, and 5-4-4-9-2T.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: garikfox

Originally posted by: Kupe

Originally posted by: Kupe
Ok, I've been experimenting some more. After turning off EIST alone, overclocking is way easier, as I'm sure everyone already knows. I figured this would disable the ramping between low and high voltages, but with EIST off I retain this functionality. I'm pretty happy about it, but I'm confused. What is the point of the EIST setting if my processor behaves the same way with it off? Anyway, I now seem to be stable with these settings, although I need to do more testing:

Oh, I guess it's C1E that's responsible for this. I don't really understand what EIST offers me in addition to C1E. Hopefully not much.

EIST = Intel Speedstep Tehcnology, It basicly drops the GHz on the CPU when u dont need it. Kinda like a "Automatic" CPU, lol

C1E = Enabled this lowers wattage/CPU PWR consumption.

Yes, C1E manipulates Vcore, EIST alters the CPU multiplier on the fly. Set your power option to Desktop if you disable these features, and minimal power if you enable them.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: garikfox
yeah I know guess its a "boot" thing, I do use SCSI.

But I SWEAR i have not had a Double boot, I did have one like I said when I OC'ed and set the CPU,NB,VTT at there bare min. with 8 x 400.

So guess I got a updated mobo then, hehee sweet !

I think the solution may be SCSI. So you're running RAID with IP35-E?