Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

[The-Noid]

Do you think we will see an even bigger price cut now that the board is end of life?

 

[bigblockchevy]

i got it from major-geeks.com

it is one of those benchmarks that tests the entire set up . it is from the same people who made cpu-z and soft-fsb --
PC wizard 08 is the name of it . it is much like "performance test" benchmark .

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Thanks...I'll GOOG that program. Will repost if I see a drop in performance with 12 BIOS. Have you compared 12 and 14 using 1M and 32M Super Pi? Having the LAN, FW, and AV running in the background can significantly affect test time to the point of making the data much less useable. I was only able to record a difference of 0.032 sec between 12 and 14 (1M SP). If you have other stuffs running in the background, then it would be almost impossible to tell which BIOS is faster.

I have large DVD movie file to check for total processing time (clean image file of WXP Pro SP1).

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: MadScientist

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Does anyone else have to push down significantly on the top-right of the board to screw it down?

No, did you check if your case is bent.

Yea it isn't the case, I don't have to push down too hard just more than I'd like to.

 

[The-Noid]

Do you think we will see an even bigger price cut now that the board is end of life?

 

[manimal]

I think my rams are holding me back a little, I HAVE to have at the very least 4 gigs of ram for editing and for photoshop-Aftereffects- but damint I wanna hit 3.6 ; ;


Frys has Patriot 2x2 gig 4-4-4-14 sticks on sale, would these be a step up from my OCZ plats 4x1 4-4-4-14s? I know you guys recommend value ram for this thing and there are tons of OCZ haters in here but the same ram ran at 4x1 @ 950+ on my evga 680i. I am almost 24/7 stable at 3.4 right now with this ram, but once in a while it will hang at boot and ill have to reset, it passes Prime and OCCT 4+ hours and I get no crashes ingame but cold booting is the issue, I guess I just got one of those boards that doesnt like my office to be real cold, I still think its my ram doing it though since it doesnt have this problem when I use my Micron D9s 2x1 kit for testing.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

If you have a cold boot board, then PC will not work if ambient is below 60F. This is not an intermittent boot problem. It's either go or no-go. Based on your description, I would guess that cold boot is not the root cause of your problem.

Disconnect PSU from the wall. Remove battery and clear CMOS for 1/2 hour. Reseat the GPU. Restart PC and flash to 12 BIOS using the WB boot switch. Hit F1 and shut down PC after flash. Go back to BIOS and load optimized default. Reboot back to BIOS and manually set RAM voltage and timing to specs. Change memory divider to 1:1. This will allow you to run good DDR2 800 RAMs up to at least 400MHz FSB (3.6GHz).

Reboot several times.

 

[BladeVenom]

I don't even see the IP35-E listed at Newegg right now, nor the couple of other sites I usually shop at.

 

[Heidfirst]

abit USA seem to have struggled to keep the board in stock - it's very, very popular.
Plenty in Europe though.

 

[manimal]

The IP 35-E has been replaced by abit with the V model, If you want one you have to look around, some frys have em on clearance and few etailers have them in stock now.


Gonna try that tonight after work SR thx for the reply..


Wanna hear something funny, I just got back my 4th evga 680i board in the last 2 months, after switching out the proc-psu-ram-and all cabling I got another dead board. I did a build outiside the case as I normally do and it will not post. I rmad the proc-returned the PSU for another-used my value ram or my D9s,and even tried it with a pci graphics card. Man I hate nvidia.......

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: manimal
The IP 35-E has been replaced by abit with the V model, If you want one you have to look around, some frys have em on clearance and few etailers have them in stock now.


Gonna try that tonight after work SR thx for the reply..


Wanna hear something funny, I just got back my 4th evga 680i board in the last 2 months, after switching out the proc-psu-ram-and all cabling I got another dead board. I did a build outiside the case as I normally do and it will not post. I rmad the proc-returned the PSU for another-used my value ram or my D9s,and even tried it with a pci graphics card. Man I hate nvidia.......

I think you're right about the -V replacement in the US. Very few cheap IP35/IP35-E left in US unless you want to pay scalper price.

 

[rbk123]

IP35-V is $69 after rebate at Mwave.

Anyone know how it differs from the 35-E?

 

[dsg2003gt]

has anyone had an issue where changing the multiplier/c1e/eist in the bios results in no change when viewing everything through cpuz or any other monitoring program.

 

[TungFree]

So it is only fair that I share with you how the manufacurer of my cooler is handling my problem:

He, Jay, said:




Dear Jay,

I just bought an antirely new system parts:

Q6600 Go Stepping
ABIT IP35-E Motherboard
MSI RX2400PRO-TD256EH Radeon HD 2400 PRO 256MB GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card
Kingston N5 1.8V DDR2 800 2gig
Antec EA500 EarthWatts series 500W Power Supply
SAMSUNG HD501LJ 500GB SATA 7200 RPM
ZEROtherm BTF90 Copper CPU Cooler
SAMSUNG SH-S203B/BEBN 20X SATA DVD Burner
Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB
Gigabyte GZ-FA1CA-ASB 3D Aurora 570 Aluminum Full Tower Case



I bought your cooler with the recommendations of many members of our very big forums, http://forums.anandtech.com where we have 140,000 members in a computer help group for advanced computer builders. It was said that your cooler performs better than Zalman's cooler in the same category.



As you can see below I bought your cooler from



ZipZoomFly.com.



Because my purchase from them included a dead hard drive, I had to order another hard drive from them and so the time of 30 days passed before I could identify that the problem with the cooler is a ripple at tha base of it.



I discovered the ripple after the cooler refused to cool propperly and my software was reporting that my Q6600 and the Asus IP35-e motherboard when over clocked from 2.4 mhz to 3.0 mhz were reading:



62C degrees on the CPU and

59C, 49C,49C,59C, on thew four cores.



This is much too hot for the small amount of overclocking. both for the CPU as a whole, and

on 2 of the cores, as you see above. the other members who have your cooler can overclock up to 3.6 Mhz and have cooler temperatures than I at 3.0



I had tried wiping off all of the paste from both the processor and the base of your cooler and re installing it back with evenly applied paste. tried it a 2nd time and a third time.



The temperatures remain the same. I also each time tightened the screws carefully to be sure that they all were gradually tightened small amounts clockwise untill the screws were all tight. I still get the same temperatures.



I am requesting an RMA for this cooler.





Thank you in advance,

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: manimal
The IP 35-E has been replaced by abit with the V model, .

afaik there is no hard evidence for that being the case & not a range extension.
There are plenty of both available in Europe at least.

 

[sharad]

I have a IP35, non-E board, which is pretty similar to the E model.

Does anyone know if it's safe to run one Panaflo 0.60 amp 2500 RPM on the CPU header and two Scythe 0.20 amp 1600 RPM fans from the case fan headers?

I already tried running this setup briefly and I know it works but is it safe in the long run? I couldn't really find any amp specs for the IP35 fan headers in the manual. I am thinking at least the Panaflo fan should be ok because even the stock Intel cooler fan is rated for 0.60 amp - same amp rating as the Panaflo.

Man, this thread is now 110 pages!

 

[imported_bassjunkie]

Hey SerpentRoyal..

Well err where do i start i just wanted to share with you my results so far but i explain my adventure so to this date.

CPU: E6600, 2Gb G.skill 6400HZ.

My previous board was the DFI Infinity which was solid at its max booting o/c but for reasons i could not grasp the motherboard would never let me
keep any clock past 3.6Gigs, i could boot at 3.6+ but the mobo would not post on cold or warm boot/reboot resulting in a bios reset.. before this
board i had the Abit AW9D-Max which was only really good for showing me what my cpu could boot at which was 4ghz unstable heh, at 3.6Gigs it was
still shabby stability there was some defo memory issues with the board itself.

Now

I found this board then lots of + posts one being yours and just what i needed 3rd party reviewer...

I clocked my E6600 to my old o/c first and made sure this was stable using Orthos priming, after an 8 hour test which yeh you said 2 hours is
fine+ all your games and programs work.. which they do just like to have least 8 hours priming :S so yeh after 8 hours i was happy then proceeded
to my new target of 3.8 gigs.

After almost 2 days i finally hit 3.8gigs stable with a Cpu Vcore of 1.62v 1.66v in Bios :S I wasn't to happy with this vcore at first as my cpu
temps where at 74+c err 165f? on water-cooling (New Pump new to this setup), all other voltages are at stock bar my Vdimm which is set at 2.3v, i
rearrange my fans to make sure the best powered fans where over my chipset I invested in some Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Paste and replaced my Arctic Ceramique with it, i even added a Scythe Kama-Bay with a faster 120mm fan the combo of all 3 reduced my PWM temps from 60c full to 54/57c and my CPU orthos load from 74 down to 64/70 less depending on room temps more so less as its winter and gaming you can guess was the same - 5c+
drop in temps.

So far I'm really really pleased with this mobo and the new cooling layout as now my temps are like what they were at 3.6gigs or stock speeds with
intel cooling lol.

Here are 2 links of 2 screenshots Priming Temps and Idle Temps, this is the second time ive done a 12 hour test because i set my timings back
from 5.4.4.12 to 4.4.4.12 846mhz hehe need to be sure it was stable i did also use Mem Test for Windows for serval hours which i like to use.

C1E Enabled Full Load Orthos Temp/Speed as you can see from the HDD temps ambiat temps are nice and low.
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primingwl8.jpg

C1E Enabled Idle Load Temp/Speed.
http://img87.imageshack.us/my....image=primepic3ar2.jpg

Hope i didn't go on to much and thanks for your help as yeh this Thread did.

PS: I'm still using my First core2 which i brought when it came out or a lil while after (£250 price tag) this cpu still has more to give and i
don't wish to go Quad till the new Q9450 comes out then i will invest in one but man I'm an OpterOwn boy (Opteron 146) if money allowed it id get a new AMD Phenom setup to play with to but i dont know how i afford what i do anyway

 

[bigblockchevy]

i have been testing out the limits of my ram with my ip35e . it looks like my luck has changed in the lottery-stick lotto .

my corsair XMS V 2.1 with the pro-mos chips running 1:2 ratio on ram cause my little e2140 can't scale to 500fsb . has hit a windows stable 1068mhz @2.2v ran a bunch of benchmarks and games--not even a hiccup . i should have tried 1100 but the results were so good i didn't want to spoil it with a crash . this is on auto spd 555-15 .

i ordered a set of A-data ddr2-800 extreme edition kit of 2x1g from the egg Thursday--super-quick eggsters had it in my hands by 4pm Friday--regular shipping no less .

the a-data hit 1100mhz @2.2v-dimm with ease . ran a bunch of benchmarks --games --no problems with it at all--no sign of instability . the A-data was a little warm --a bit more warm than the corsair XMS --but nothing i would worry about . i think the adata's are micronD9's but i ain't about to pull the heat spreader just to find out .

but these pro-mos corsair xms run very well and very fast --but somehow they have a reputation for being second rate to d9s .

either the XMS or the A-data has no problems at all running the advertised 4-4-4-12 -2T @ 800 2v-dimm.

the adata is really a deal $55 shipped with a $15 rebate --yea i know i hate rebates too but for $20 a gig shipped for ram that can hit 1000+ thats hard to turn down .

i saw a deal on buy .com where you could get xms-800 for $60 and then get a $20 rebate + a $10 for google checkout so $30 a gig --but the rebate runs out like the 25-dec--LOL and there is no indication on which revision you'll get--

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: sharad
I have a IP35, non-E board, which is pretty similar to the E model.

Does anyone know if it's safe to run one Panaflo 0.60 amp 2500 RPM on the CPU header and two Scythe 0.20 amp 1600 RPM fans from the case fan headers?

I already tried running this setup briefly and I know it works but is it safe in the long run? I couldn't really find any amp specs for the IP35 fan headers in the manual. I am thinking at least the Panaflo fan should be ok because even the stock Intel cooler fan is rated for 0.60 amp - same amp rating as the Panaflo.

Man, this thread is now 110 pages!

Yes...not an issue at all. That mosfet driven fan header is very robust. I've pulled 1A from the CPU and SYSTEM fan headers and didn't see any big spike in board temp (checked with IR thermometer). Don't try this with the cheaper IP35-V.

You can wire the two 0.20A fans in parallel to the SYSTEM fan header if you want the board to control the speed of those fans. Use 3 pin settting instead of the default 4 pin in the BIOS. With on-board fan control enabled, all fans connected to the CPU and SYSTEM fan headers will only run at full speed when the CPU temp exceeds a preset number. This reduces stress on the output devices and case noise level when the PC is not under full load.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: bassjunkie
Hey SerpentRoyal..

Well err where do i start i just wanted to share with you my results so far but i explain my adventure so to this date.

CPU: E6600, 2Gb G.skill 6400HZ.

My previous board was the DFI Infinity which was solid at its max booting o/c but for reasons i could not grasp the motherboard would never let me
keep any clock past 3.6Gigs, i could boot at 3.6+ but the mobo would not post on cold or warm boot/reboot resulting in a bios reset.. before this
board i had the Abit AW9D-Max which was only really good for showing me what my cpu could boot at which was 4ghz unstable heh, at 3.6Gigs it was
still shabby stability there was some defo memory issues with the board itself.

Now

I found this board then lots of + posts one being yours and just what i needed 3rd party reviewer...

I clocked my E6600 to my old o/c first and made sure this was stable using Orthos priming, after an 8 hour test which yeh you said 2 hours is
fine+ all your games and programs work.. which they do just like to have least 8 hours priming :S so yeh after 8 hours i was happy then proceeded
to my new target of 3.8 gigs.

After almost 2 days i finally hit 3.8gigs stable with a Cpu Vcore of 1.62v 1.66v in Bios :S I wasn't to happy with this vcore at first as my cpu
temps where at 74+c err 165f? on water-cooling (New Pump new to this setup), all other voltages are at stock bar my Vdimm which is set at 2.3v, i
rearrange my fans to make sure the best powered fans where over my chipset I invested in some Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Paste and replaced my Arctic Ceramique with it, i even added a Scythe Kama-Bay with a faster 120mm fan the combo of all 3 reduced my PWM temps from 60c full to 54/57c and my CPU orthos load from 74 down to 64/70 less depending on room temps more so less as its winter and gaming you can guess was the same - 5c+
drop in temps.

So far I'm really really pleased with this mobo and the new cooling layout as now my temps are like what they were at 3.6gigs or stock speeds with
intel cooling lol.

Here are 2 links of 2 screenshots Priming Temps and Idle Temps, this is the second time ive done a 12 hour test because i set my timings back
from 5.4.4.12 to 4.4.4.12 846mhz hehe need to be sure it was stable i did also use Mem Test for Windows for serval hours which i like to use.

C1E Enabled Full Load Orthos Temp/Speed as you can see from the HDD temps ambiat temps are nice and low.
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primingwl8.jpg

C1E Enabled Idle Load Temp/Speed.
http://img87.imageshack.us/my....image=primepic3ar2.jpg

Hope i didn't go on to much and thanks for your help as yeh this Thread did.

PS: I'm still using my First core2 which i brought when it came out or a lil while after (£250 price tag) this cpu still has more to give and i
don't wish to go Quad till the new Q9450 comes out then i will invest in one but man I'm an OpterOwn boy (Opteron 146) if money allowed it id get a new AMD Phenom setup to play with to but i dont know how i afford what i do anyway

Congrat on the overclock. I prefer to keep the CPU @ VID plus 10%. An easy test is to plot CPU core speed vs Vcore on linear graph paper. You should see a gain of 90MHz for each 0.04 increase in Vcore. Stop when you no long see this linear relationship because you're at the design limit of that particular CPU.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: bigblockchevy
i have been testing out the limits of my ram with my ip35e . it looks like my luck has changed in the lottery-stick lotto .

my corsair XMS V 2.1 with the pro-mos chips running 1:2 ratio on ram cause my little e2140 can't scale to 500fsb . has hit a windows stable 1068mhz @2.2v ran a bunch of benchmarks and games--not even a hiccup . i should have tried 1100 but the results were so good i didn't want to spoil it with a crash . this is on auto spd 555-15 .

i ordered a set of A-data ddr2-800 extreme edition kit of 2x1g from the egg Thursday--super-quick eggsters had it in my hands by 4pm Friday--regular shipping no less .

the a-data hit 1100mhz @2.2v-dimm with ease . ran a bunch of benchmarks --games --no problems with it at all--no sign of instability . the A-data was a little warm --a bit more warm than the corsair XMS --but nothing i would worry about . i think the adata's are micronD9's but i ain't about to pull the heat spreader just to find out .

but these pro-mos corsair xms run very well and very fast --but somehow they have a reputation for being second rate to d9s .

either the XMS or the A-data has no problems at all running the advertised 4-4-4-12 -2T @ 800 2v-dimm.

the adata is really a deal $55 shipped with a $15 rebate --yea i know i hate rebates too but for $20 a gig shipped for ram that can hit 1000+ thats hard to turn down .

i saw a deal on buy .com where you could get xms-800 for $60 and then get a $20 rebate + a $10 for google checkout so $30 a gig --but the rebate runs out like the 25-dec--LOL and there is no indication on which revision you'll get--

There are no set rule when you overclock RAMs. In general, if you can run the memory @ 1.8V/4-4-4-12-2T, then this same memory should be able to hit +500MHz 2.1V/5-5-5-18-2T. The sweet spot is around 450-480MHz @ 2.1V/4-4-4-12-2T. I do not like to deviate more than 10% from the 1.8V JEDEC when I overclock my RAMs.

 

[imported_bassjunkie]

Cheer m8 i give that a go soon.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: bassjunkie
Cheer m8 i give that a go soon.

It's also a good idea to limit the maximum core temp (coretemp 0.95.4) under Orthos large mode to 25C below the Tjunction max value. I believe TJmax for E6600 is 85C.

 

[imported_bassjunkie]

Do you mean aim for a max temp of 60c? and yes as far as im aware its 85c Tj.

 

[sharad]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Yes...not an issue at all. That mosfet driven fan header is very robust. I've pulled 1A from the CPU and SYSTEM fan headers and didn't see any big spike in board temp (checked with IR thermometer). Don't try this with the cheaper IP35-V.

You can wire the two 0.20A fans in parallel to the SYSTEM fan header if you want the board to control the speed of those fans. Use 3 pin settting instead of the default 4 pin in the BIOS. With on-board fan control enabled, all fans connected to the CPU and SYSTEM fan headers will only run at full speed when the CPU temp exceeds a preset number. This reduces stress on the output devices and case noise level when the PC is not under full load.

Cheers, Serpent. I am running all three fans now with the 3 pin BIOS setting. Haven't tried connecting the two Scythe case fans in parallel, so I will give that a try.