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TungFree

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SerpentRoyal: Do deep CMOS clear. Remove power from PSU. Remove battery and clear CMOS for 1/2 hour. Reboot and flash to 12 BIOS using the WB switch. Shut down PC and clear CMOS. Boot back to BIOS and load optimized default. Check for boot problem.

I did what you suggested, then tried to reenter all my over clock values as in my profile except fort the ratio of VDram I increased it to 1:1.2 and it does not post. So I had to set the ratio back to 1:1 to post. I tried it from clearing CMOS twice with 1:1.2- no posting

As to the reset I have not had time to test it but I will ( I flashed bios 12 from floppy with WB switch)

Update

After many tries I of #12 Bios, I discovered thatas long as I do not overclock, the rebooting works without needing a reset, but as soon as I introduce the overclocked entries into the the Bios, It boots past the Bios door, into a blank screen, and only a reset boots it into windows.

Of course the inability to boot up when setting the ratio to 1:1.2 is a mystery unless the 3.302x1.2=3.9636 which is not permitting it to overclock that much. No one explained, exactly if that is so and if so do I need to reset the 367 FSB lower to 306 ? until the 306x9x1.2=3304.8

which is my present overclock?
 

pdawg1717

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Anyone running 4 1gb sticks in their IP35-E boards? Just making sure there are no problems before I order 4 sticks...
 

hokiealumnus

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TungFree: I see you got some help in the CPUs & OC section. If you still have questions I'll do my best to help you.

pdawg: You can run 4 sticks no problem. FYI, generally it will require increased voltage on the north bridge (MCH) due to the increased strain of dealing with four sticks. It can sometimes require +.05-.10Vdimm over spec. If none of that works, in more extreme cases, people have had to loosen their timings a bit. That's a last resort though and isn't common.

Everyone - It appears Serpent is on hiatus for a while at least. I'll do what I can when I can. If you don't get a timely response here, drop by the abit forums and lots of good folks there can help you out.
 

MadScientist

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Tung Free,
With your CPU set at 367 FSB and your ram at a 1:1.2 divider your ram is running at 367 x 1.2 = 440 Mhz, bios will show 440 x 2 = 880 Mhz. At 1.95 vdram and settings of 4-4-4-12-2T your ram may not be stable at 440 Mhz and your computer will not post.
The ram divider increases your ram frequency not the CPU speed. At any ram divider your CPU at 367 x 9 is running 3.3 Ghz.
At 306 FSB your ram at 1:1.2 is running 306 x 1.2 = 367 Mhz, 734 Mhz in bios.

With your CPU at 367 FSB, set your ram at 1:1 divider (367 Mhz, 734 bios), 1.8vdram, 4-4-4-12-2T settings and run Memtest86+ v1.7. Set Memtest in the config to loop test 5 for at least 1 hour. If it errors try increasing the vdram up to 2.1V. If it fails set vdram back to 1.8 and loosen timings and test again. When you find a ram setting that passes Memtest, boot up and run Prime95 Blend setting for at least 8 hours. It's entirely up to you if you want to try and overclock your ram further than a 1:1 divider. There's a debate on the forum whether higher mem freqs or tighter timings help with real life applications.

I don't know how you determined that your CPU needs 1.36Vcore to run stable at 3.3 Ghz. My Q6600 GO needs only 1.2575Vcore at 3.3 Ghz. Did you test your CPU with Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts setting with the ram set at loose timings, 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider?


pdawg1717,
I had to bump the MCH voltage up one notch to get my 4 sticks of Ballistix to run at their rated 400 Mhz (800 Mhz bios), 4-4-4-12-2T, 2.2Vdram, but at 734 Mhz I can run at 3-3-3-8-2T, 2.1Vdram without increasing the MCH voltage.


Q6600 GO 3.3Ghz @ 1.2575Vcore
Abit IP35-E, bios 12
Geforce 8800 GT
4 x 1 GB Crucial Ballistix PC6400 @ 1:1, 734 Mhz, 3-3-3-8-2T, 2.1vdram
Vista Ultimate 64
2 x Maxtor 300 GB SATA HDs
Samsung SH-S203B SATA DVD Burner
Corsair 620W PSU
Cooler Master Hyper TX2 HS/fan
Antec 900 case

 

TungFree

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JBT:
Running 4x1GB sticks with no issues.

I see you are using a GO stepping settings 3.3 ghz and a Raptor like I DO

what ratio are you using 1:1 or 1:1.2? and what are your Vcore Voltage and Dramm voltage are you using 4-4-4-12-2T?
because I am unable to set it at 1:1.2 what is your FSB and multiplier?
 

TungFree

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hokiealumnus:
TungFree: I see you got some help in the CPUs & OC section. If you still have questions I'll do my best to help you.

Yes I do I cannot seem to get around 2 problems:

1. I cannot set 1:1.2 ratio for my RAM it just refuses to Post unless I switch back to 1:1

2. I followed RaprorRoyal's advice, took battery out and cleared CMOS for 30 minutes with power plug out. Replaced and restarted to bios set to default settings saved and rebooted to windows. This let me reboot without needing a reset. tried it a few times.
Then I reentered all my overclock values as before and it now needs to be reset after each boot attempt. First attempt goes to a blank screen after reset it boots OK. This reset is now required every bootup. I thought it was #14 Bios thing so I switched back to #12 for that reason alone, and no change.
 

TungFree

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MadScientist: I don't know how you determined that your CPU needs 1.36Vcore to run stable at 3.3 Ghz. My Q6600 GO needs only 1.2575Vcore at 3.3 Ghz. Did you test your CPU with Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts setting with the ram set at loose timings, 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider?

No I set the timing at 4-4-4-12-2T and tested the 3.3 until it stopped the errors.
So what is the propper way to do it set it at 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider?
The 1:1.2 was SerpentRoyal's recommendation to me and yes it shows 880 Ram speed before I try to boot. So I am willing to set it at 1:1 ratio or else it crashes, unless with smaller Vcore and your idea of how to use the 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider for testing, and in the end after no errors for 8 hours to reduce the 4-4-4-12-2T without testing?



Update: ran 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider for testing
tried 1.300 V core... and 1.8 DramV ....crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.320 Vcore and 1.85 Vdram ..... crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.340 Vcore and 1.85 Vdram ..... crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.340 Vcore and 1.90 Vdram ..... crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.340 Vcore and 1.95 Vdram ..... errors no crash
tried 1.360 Vcore and 1.950 Vdram ..... No errors no crash after 2 hours still testing

No errors after 8 hours
 

MrMajestyk

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Just got an IP35-E up and running.

CPU-Z is reporting the GPU link width at x4 when I guess it should be x16. I've had a look in the bios, but is there a setting I've missed ??

It also reports the bios as 6.00 PG. Dated 09/28/2007. Is this v.11 ??

Great thread BTW. :thumbsup:
 

Heidfirst

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Originally posted by: MrMajestyk
It also reports the bios as 6.00 PG. Dated 09/28/2007. Is this v.11 ??
No, that's 13 which you don't want (it has a problem with setting RAM voltage).

 
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Um ya no way. Banned for being too helpful? Well I never did much agree with the mods here but that's stretching what I think they would do. ;p
 

ScottFern

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MadScientist, how is this mobo work with your Corsair 620W PSU? I have that PSU and I wanted to make sure there weren't any issues with my PSU and this motherboard?
 

MadScientist

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Originally posted by: ScottFern
MadScientist, how is this mobo work with your Corsair 620W PSU? I have that PSU and I wanted to make sure there weren't any issues with my PSU and this motherboard?

Runs fine with the Corsair 620W.

 

MadScientist

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Originally posted by: TungFree
MadScientist: I don't know how you determined that your CPU needs 1.36Vcore to run stable at 3.3 Ghz. My Q6600 GO needs only 1.2575Vcore at 3.3 Ghz. Did you test your CPU with Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts setting with the ram set at loose timings, 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider?

No I set the timing at 4-4-4-12-2T and tested the 3.3 until it stopped the errors.
So what is the propper way to do it set it at 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider?
The 1:1.2 was SerpentRoyal's recommendation to me and yes it shows 880 Ram speed before I try to boot. So I am willing to set it at 1:1 ratio or else it crashes, unless with smaller Vcore and your idea of how to use the 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider for testing, and in the end after no errors for 8 hours to reduce the 4-4-4-12-2T without testing?



Update: ran 5-5-5-15-2T and a 1:1 divider for testing
tried 1.300 V core... and 1.8 DramV ....crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.320 Vcore and 1.85 Vdram ..... crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.340 Vcore and 1.85 Vdram ..... crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.340 Vcore and 1.90 Vdram ..... crashed on Prime95 v25.5, Small FFts
tried 1.340 Vcore and 1.95 Vdram ..... errors no crash
tried 1.360 Vcore and 1.950 Vdram ..... No errors no crash after 2 hours still testing

No errors after 8 hours

I'm probably going to repeat a lot of what SerpentRoyal told you already so bear with me. I like to take the isolate and then consolidate approach to overclocking. You can either start with your ram or CPU. I usually start with my CPU.

1. Set your ram at loose timings, 5-5-5-15 or 18-2T, 1.8V, or whatever SPD in the bios sets it at, and at a 1:1 divider. Set the CPU to it's default setting. For a Q6600 GO with this board it's 272 FSB x 9 = 2.448 Ghz at 1.2375Vcore. Run Memtest86+ V1.7 to make sure your ram is stable (no errors) at these settings. If Memtest86+ errors raise the vdimm. Your ram is Kingston Value ram rated at CAS5 (1st number), 1.8V, 800 Mhz. Correct? It should be Memtest86 stable at CAS5, 1.8V, 800 Mhz or less. This takes your ram out of the equation.

2. Keep the ram at 1:1 divider and start raising the FSB in 5 to 10 increments. Run Prime95 V25.5 Small FFts at each setting until it errors. This will usually happen within the first 15 minutes. Small FFts puts maximum stress on your CPU and very little on the ram. Raise the vcore and test again until it passes. Monitor your CPU temps with CoreTemp. Repeat until you reach an overclock and temps you are comfortable with. Run Prime95 for 6-8 hours to make sure it's stable. If not stable raise the voltage and repeat. I can do 400 FSB x 9 = 3.6 Ghz at 1.3575Vcore bios stable but my load temps are in the 60's so I am running at 3.3 Ghz at 1.2575Vcore with load temps in the low 50's.

3. To find out what my ram is capable of I set my CPU to a 266 FSB and a 6 multiplier. This takes my CPU out of the equation. I start with my ram's rated timings, in your case, 5-5-5-15-2T, 1.8V I'm assuming. Start raising the FSB by 5 to 10 increments and run Memtest86 test 5 until it errors. You may have to increase the ram divider or CPU multiplier. Try to keep the CPU at or below stock setting. Increase the vdimm and repeat. With your ram I would not go any higher than 2.0 vdimm. This gives you a ram profile at these settings. Loosen the timings up to 4-4-4-12-2T and repeat. When you find ram settings you are comfortable with run Memtest86+ test 5 for at least 1 hour and all tests for at least 10 passes.
Here's some Memtest86+ stable settings I found for my 4 sticks of Ballistix DDR800:
3-3-3-8-2T.....734Mhz.....2.1V...1:1 divider at 367 FSB
4-4-4-12-2T....832Mhz....2.2V....Because I have 4 x 1Gb I had to raise the MCH to 1.29V for this setting.
5-4-4-12-2T....924Mhz....2.0V
5-4-4-12-2T....976Mhz....2.1V
5-4-4-12-2T...1018Mhz...2.2V
5-5-5-15-2T...1120Mhz...2.2V

4. Now it's time to consolidate. Set your CPU and ram to known stable settings. Run Prime95 V25.5 Blend setting for at least 8 hours. The Blend setting will stress both your CPU and ram. You may find that some ram settings that were stable in Memtest86+ fail Prime95 blend and you will have to adjust your ram settings. MemTest86+ is better than Prime95 at finding bad RAM but it isn't as good as Prime95 at stressing the CPU/RAM interface. Monitor your idle and load temps with CoreTemp.
As I stated earlier there is a debate on whether higher mem freqs, tighter timings, or whole integer dividers, i.e, 1:1, 1:2 are better for real life applications. I'm currently running at tighter timings, 3-3-3-8-2T at 2.1V, 1:1 divider.

Use bios 12, bios 14 defaults your overclock settings back to stock when you power down and power back up.






 

hokiealumnus

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Originally posted by: Bonesdad
rumor floating around that serpentroyal was banned from AT, true?

I've been in contact with Serpent and got his permission to post the confirmation. Unfortunately, it's true. He has been placed on, shall we say, administrative leave. It's not my place, so I won't go into detail here, but suffice to say the ban doesn't sound justified IMO when hearing his side of the story. That said, AT owns the forum and they can ban whomever they choose; it's just unfortunate they chose someone who has helped so many.

That is why I said he was on hiatus a few days ago. No one monitors this thread as often as he did, so if you don't get a response in a timely manner here, post over at abit's forums and the good folks over there will help you out. I'll do what I can, but to be frank I spend a lot more time over at abit's forums than I do here. Not to mention Serpent's knowledge dwarfs mine.

That's that. Regardless of what happened, his going away is AT's loss. He is a very smart, knowledgeable individual who helped a lot of people. Apparently he was just too blunt for certain people's fragile dispositions.
 

MadScientist

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Originally posted by: TungFree
MadScientist:

What Motherboard are you using?

Same as yours, Abit IP35-E. My ram is different, Crucial Balliistix DDR800 rated at 4-4-4-12-2T, 800 Mhz, 2.2Vdimm, so my ram overclocks will be different than your Kingston. I'm also using 4 sticks.

 
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Originally posted by: hokiealumnus
Originally posted by: Bonesdad
rumor floating around that serpentroyal was banned from AT, true?

I've been in contact with Serpent and got his permission to post the confirmation. Unfortunately, it's true. He has been placed on, shall we say, administrative leave. It's not my place, so I won't go into detail here, but suffice to say the ban doesn't sound justified IMO when hearing his side of the story. That said, AT owns the forum and they can ban whomever they choose; it's just unfortunate they chose someone who has helped so many.

That is why I said he was on hiatus a few days ago. No one monitors this thread as often as he did, so if you don't get a response in a timely manner here, post over at abit's forums and the good folks over there will help you out. I'll do what I can, but to be frank I spend a lot more time over at abit's forums than I do here. Not to mention Serpent's knowledge dwarfs mine.

That's that. Regardless of what happened, his going away is AT's loss. He is a very smart, knowledgeable individual who helped a lot of people. Apparently he was just too blunt for certain people's fragile dispositions.

That's total BS

I've had a few issues with AT moderation and the mods never cared much to actually look into the issue; you could tell they just looked at the situation for 5 seconds and clicked suspend. I once got a 1-month ban for calling someone who was apparently a gay, a lovely human, after having been baited first by him with something equally offending.

What's his username on the Abit forums?
 

hokiealumnus

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Please don't use homophobic remarks. It's unnecessary, ignorant and people may (will) get offended. Were I a mod, I would give you a one month ban as well. His ban, as he tells it, has nothing to do with inflammatory comments. I'll ask if he wants his u/n posted.
 

Bonesdad

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Thanks hokie, for keeping us in contact with Serp. Sorry to hear about this. I hope terms can be reached and he will be 'un'banned soon so he can help more folks out.
 
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