Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

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SerpentRoyal

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Originally posted by: dividedsky319
I'm thinking of getting this mobo, and was wondering... are there pins on the mobo to hook up front USB and audio connections?

I'm getting a P150... there's 2 USB ports, and 2 audio ports (and a firewire, I know the mobo doesn't have that)

pic of connections

Thanks.


IP35-E has four USB 2.0 ports at the back and four USB 2.0 headers on the MB capable of driving 8 more USB devices. You can connect one of the USB 2.0 header on the MB to power the front two USB ports. It is also possible to activate the front LINE IN/MIC jacks. Unfortunately, IP35-E does not natively support 1394a. You'll need to purchase a 1304a card (PCI or PCI-E).
 

SerpentRoyal

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Sounds to me like there's an issue with the USB hub...very common problem with many MBs. The IP35-E can support up to 12 USB devices. Always install windows with only the mouse and keyboard connected to the MB. Be sure to zero format the HDD prior to installing windows if it contains old data. Now load all drivers in windows. Final step is to add the USB hub. If problem persists, then you need to seek another hub.

OCZ stuffs have always been spotty. You may need to bump up Vdimm to 2.1 or 2.2. Get a stick of DDR2 RAM rated at 1.8V and 266MHz or faster. I would highly recommend the HP/Crucial DDR2 667 RAM @ hot deals forum. It is stable at default 1.8V and capable of 400MHz/5-5-5-15-2T at 2.0Vdimm. Cost is only $22/1GB.
 

Upgr8er

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Unfortunately, IP35-E does not natively support 1394a. You'll need to purchase a 1304a card (PCI or PCI-E).



That stinks! I have an older 1394 card but I'm wondering if any of the newer ones have a connector on them so you can hook up the front ports on your case. Otherwise, the line of a "hokey" installation has been crossed!!


 

SerpentRoyal

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Originally posted by: Upgr8er
Unfortunately, IP35-E does not natively support 1394a. You'll need to purchase a 1304a card (PCI or PCI-E).



That stinks! I have an older 1394 card but I'm wondering if any of the newer ones have a connector on them so you can hook up the front ports on your case. Otherwise, the line of a "hokey" installation has been crossed!!



Boards with 1394a headers have been around for a long time. Problem is that 1394a is only faster than USB 2.0 by about 10% in real-world use. That's why most boards do not support 1394a in an effort to reign in cost.
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Heat pipe don't do squat unless there is adequate air flow in the case.

Another utterly clueless comment - are you really serious?
Now you barely make sense at all - how does ANYTHING different if you don't have airflow in the case (sans having full water cooling like I do)?
Your barefoot, featureless, stripped-down IP35-E doesn't even have a decent coolingcomparexd to IP35, only a very minimalistic heatsink, so it's even more sensitive for bad airflow.

The stock IP35-E NB runs cool (44C) with the Big Typhoon. Even with a quad, peak temp should not exceed 55C.

Now you're talking about a $50-60 or more cooler... are you really this bad when it comes to basic math?
A decent 120mm fan for your house IS FREE, it's included in ANY half-decent case.

The SB on the IP35-E is the non-Raid SB version of the IP35. Why is that outdated? For those who don't RAID, spending an extra $40 is silly. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. Put up a link showing IP35 @ $90! BS walks.

And dogshit talks, as you just proved.
You fight ad nausem to convince people to go with your barefoot motherboard with worse cooling in order to save $40 but you argue that a $50 cooler would make even your mobo's lackluster cooling with the IP35 - how is that anything else than ridiculous argument?


Besides the shittier cooling on IP35-E they will lose RAID, 2x Firewire ports as well which you simply chose to ignore or downplay when it's mentioned - pathetic, that is.

Look, no one says IP35-E isnt' a great deal but shaving $40 to buy a $50 cooler yet loose ports, features makes ZERO fuckin sense to me or any sane people - apparently you're not one of us...
 

SerpentRoyal

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Heat pipe don't do squat unless there is adequate air flow in the case.

Another utterly clueless comment - are you really serious?
Now you barely make sense at all - how does ANYTHING different if you don't have airflow in the case (sans having full water cooling like I do)?
Your barefoot, featureless, stripped-down IP35-E doesn't even have a decent coolingcomparexd to IP35, only a very minimalistic heatsink, so it's even more sensitive for bad airflow.

The stock IP35-E NB runs cool (44C) with the Big Typhoon. Even with a quad, peak temp should not exceed 55C.

Now you're talking about a $50-60 or more cooler... are you really this bad when it comes to basic math?
A decent 120mm fan for your house IS FREE, it's included in ANY half-decent case.

The SB on the IP35-E is the non-Raid SB version of the IP35. Why is that outdated? For those who don't RAID, spending an extra $40 is silly. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. Put up a link showing IP35 @ $90! BS walks.

And dogshit talks, as you just proved.
You fight ad nausem to convince people to go with your barefoot motherboard with worse cooling in order to save $40 but you argue that a $50 cooler would make even your mobo's lackluster cooling with the IP35 - how is that anything else than ridiculous argument?


Besides the shittier cooling on IP35-E they will lose RAID, 2x Firewire ports as well which you simply chose to ignore or downplay when it's mentioned - pathetic, that is.

Look, no one says IP35-E isnt' a great deal but shaving $40 to buy a $50 cooler yet loose ports, features makes ZERO fuckin sense to me or any sane people - apparently you're not one of us...


Son,

You have any data to support your claim that IP35-E has poor cooling? If not, then you're just another TROLL. Most people don't RAID. And what's the big deal about 1394?
 

pdawg1717

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Heat pipe don't do squat unless there is adequate air flow in the case.

Another utterly clueless comment - are you really serious?
Now you barely make sense at all - how does ANYTHING different if you don't have airflow in the case (sans having full water cooling like I do)?
Your barefoot, featureless, stripped-down IP35-E doesn't even have a decent coolingcomparexd to IP35, only a very minimalistic heatsink, so it's even more sensitive for bad airflow.

The stock IP35-E NB runs cool (44C) with the Big Typhoon. Even with a quad, peak temp should not exceed 55C.

Now you're talking about a $50-60 or more cooler... are you really this bad when it comes to basic math?
A decent 120mm fan for your house IS FREE, it's included in ANY half-decent case.

The SB on the IP35-E is the non-Raid SB version of the IP35. Why is that outdated? For those who don't RAID, spending an extra $40 is silly. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. Put up a link showing IP35 @ $90! BS walks.

And dogshit talks, as you just proved.
You fight ad nausem to convince people to go with your barefoot motherboard with worse cooling in order to save $40 but you argue that a $50 cooler would make even your mobo's lackluster cooling with the IP35 - how is that anything else than ridiculous argument?


Besides the shittier cooling on IP35-E they will lose RAID, 2x Firewire ports as well which you simply chose to ignore or downplay when it's mentioned - pathetic, that is.

Look, no one says IP35-E isnt' a great deal but shaving $40 to buy a $50 cooler yet loose ports, features makes ZERO fuckin sense to me or any sane people - apparently you're not one of us...

Bro...you're missing some of what he's saying...he did not buy a Big Typhoon for the NB...it's a cpu cooler that happens to do a good job of blowing air across the mobo which in turn is doing a good job of cooling the NB...therefore to anyone who knows how a Big Typhoon works, you now look like a jack*ss yourself...anyone who cares about overclocking ends up paying at least $30 for a HSF for their cpu so that point is moot...and if the cooling system on the Pro version really meant much then it would overclock a decent amount better than the E version which it doesn't (only 2% better - big whoopie)....and he mentioned RAID if you look...he stated that if you don't need it, why pay for it?
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: pdawg1717
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Heat pipe don't do squat unless there is adequate air flow in the case.

Another utterly clueless comment - are you really serious?
Now you barely make sense at all - how does ANYTHING different if you don't have airflow in the case (sans having full water cooling like I do)?
Your barefoot, featureless, stripped-down IP35-E doesn't even have a decent coolingcomparexd to IP35, only a very minimalistic heatsink, so it's even more sensitive for bad airflow.

The stock IP35-E NB runs cool (44C) with the Big Typhoon. Even with a quad, peak temp should not exceed 55C.

Now you're talking about a $50-60 or more cooler... are you really this bad when it comes to basic math?
A decent 120mm fan for your house IS FREE, it's included in ANY half-decent case.

The SB on the IP35-E is the non-Raid SB version of the IP35. Why is that outdated? For those who don't RAID, spending an extra $40 is silly. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. Put up a link showing IP35 @ $90! BS walks.

And dogshit talks, as you just proved.
You fight ad nausem to convince people to go with your barefoot motherboard with worse cooling in order to save $40 but you argue that a $50 cooler would make even your mobo's lackluster cooling with the IP35 - how is that anything else than ridiculous argument?


Besides the shittier cooling on IP35-E they will lose RAID, 2x Firewire ports as well which you simply chose to ignore or downplay when it's mentioned - pathetic, that is.

Look, no one says IP35-E isnt' a great deal but shaving $40 to buy a $50 cooler yet loose ports, features makes ZERO fuckin sense to me or any sane people - apparently you're not one of us...

Bro...you're missing some of what he's saying...he did not buy a Big Typhoon for the NB...it's a cpu cooler that happens to do a good job of blowing air across the mobo which in turn is doing a good job of cooling the NB...therefore to anyone who knows how a Big Typhoon works, you now look like a jack*ss yourself...anyone who cares about overclocking ends up paying at least $30 for a HSF for their cpu so that point is moot...and if the cooling system on the Pro version really meant much then it would overclock a decent amount better than the E version which it doesn't (only 2% better - big whoopie)....and he mentioned RAID if you look...he stated that if you don't need it, why pay for it?

And you are missing something as well - I'm just pointing out he wants to save $40 on the mobo yet he's buying a $50 cooler ... got it? OK maybe my wording was confusing, I admit.

I have a 1/2" CPU-VGA-chipset-Physx water cooling w/ dual Eheim 1048s and triplet 120mm on a BIPIII - trust me, I know what good and stable OC takes.

My point was that -E has worse cooling yet he brought up the airflow - which is fuckin funny because his board is even worse with bad airflow.

Well, the only jack@ss here is the one who still couldnt' grasp what I'm talking about...
 

pdawg1717

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: pdawg1717
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Heat pipe don't do squat unless there is adequate air flow in the case.

Another utterly clueless comment - are you really serious?
Now you barely make sense at all - how does ANYTHING different if you don't have airflow in the case (sans having full water cooling like I do)?
Your barefoot, featureless, stripped-down IP35-E doesn't even have a decent coolingcomparexd to IP35, only a very minimalistic heatsink, so it's even more sensitive for bad airflow.

The stock IP35-E NB runs cool (44C) with the Big Typhoon. Even with a quad, peak temp should not exceed 55C.

Now you're talking about a $50-60 or more cooler... are you really this bad when it comes to basic math?
A decent 120mm fan for your house IS FREE, it's included in ANY half-decent case.

The SB on the IP35-E is the non-Raid SB version of the IP35. Why is that outdated? For those who don't RAID, spending an extra $40 is silly. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. Put up a link showing IP35 @ $90! BS walks.

And dogshit talks, as you just proved.
You fight ad nausem to convince people to go with your barefoot motherboard with worse cooling in order to save $40 but you argue that a $50 cooler would make even your mobo's lackluster cooling with the IP35 - how is that anything else than ridiculous argument?


Besides the shittier cooling on IP35-E they will lose RAID, 2x Firewire ports as well which you simply chose to ignore or downplay when it's mentioned - pathetic, that is.

Look, no one says IP35-E isnt' a great deal but shaving $40 to buy a $50 cooler yet loose ports, features makes ZERO fuckin sense to me or any sane people - apparently you're not one of us...

Bro...you're missing some of what he's saying...he did not buy a Big Typhoon for the NB...it's a cpu cooler that happens to do a good job of blowing air across the mobo which in turn is doing a good job of cooling the NB...therefore to anyone who knows how a Big Typhoon works, you now look like a jack*ss yourself...anyone who cares about overclocking ends up paying at least $30 for a HSF for their cpu so that point is moot...and if the cooling system on the Pro version really meant much then it would overclock a decent amount better than the E version which it doesn't (only 2% better - big whoopie)....and he mentioned RAID if you look...he stated that if you don't need it, why pay for it?

And you are missing something as well - I'm just pointing out he wants to save $40 on the mobo yet he's buying a $50 cooler ... got it? OK maybe my wording was confusing, I admit.

I have a 1/2" CPU-VGA-chipset-Physx water cooling w/ dual Eheim 1048s and triplet 120mm on a BIPIII - trust me, I know what good and stable OC takes.

My point was that -E has worse cooling yet he brought up the airflow - which is fuckin funny because his board is even worse with bad airflow.

Well, the only jack@ss here is the one who still couldnt' grasp what I'm talking about...

Points well taken...trying to save $40 on the mobo but spending $50 on a good cooler actually makes sense to me...it's called spending smartly...he doesn't need the bells and whistles so why spend the $40 yet the $50 is going to allow him to overclock his cpu and keep it cool at the same time...good cooling on the NB/SB by itself does not mean you're going to be able to o/c the hell out of a chip...he's basically spending his money where he feels it is more important...you're right though...some people just like to spend money to get the best things for the "bling" factor...in this case, that's like spending extra for a convertible when you live in a rainforest (ok - bad analogy I know )
 

SerpentRoyal

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And you are missing something as well - I'm just pointing out he wants to save $40 on the mobo yet he's buying a $50 cooler ... got it? OK maybe my wording was confusing, I admit.

I have a 1/2" CPU-VGA-chipset-Physx water cooling w/ dual Eheim 1048s and triplet 120mm on a BIPIII - trust me, I know what good and stable OC takes.

My point was that -E has worse cooling yet he brought up the airflow - which is fuckin funny because his board is even worse with bad airflow.

Well, the only jack@ss here is the one who still couldnt' grasp what I'm talking about...
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I get it...you're a confused TROLL.

1. I paid $18 for the BT cooler. Any sane overclocker would upgrade the stock CPU cooler to an after-market CPU heat-pipe cooler. Even at a regular price of $38, the BT is a very good deal since it can cool the CPU, NB, RAM, and MOSFETs at the same time. Let's say we fork over the extra $40 for the IP35. Are you telling me that we don't need to upgrade the stock CPU cooler? So who's the Village's Idiot?

2. IP35 Pro has a better heat-pipe cooler than IP35. Yet according to the round-up at TECHSPOT.COM, it only hit 368MHz FSB vs 365MHz FSB for the IP35-E. That's a gain of less than ONE PERCENT. The shared heat-pipe design found on IP35 elevates the working temperature of the MOSFETs because the extra heat from the NB is distributed between the two heat-sinks. Most of the heat from the MOSFETs goes directly into the MB thanks to the large imbedded thermal pad. To effectively cool the MOSFETs, one must have active airflow INTO the MB. That's the beauty of the BT CPU cooler.

3. IP35 has RAID, but to implement RAID, one must purchase an additional HDD. That's another $40 to $50. Doubling the number of HDD will double the probability of data loss. Why is this a better approach for most PC users?

4. IP35 has 1394a. However, real-world throughput of 1394a is only 10% faster than USB 2.0. That's the main reason why USB 2.0 is still the preferred mode of I/O. Besides, the IP35 Pro has an issue with 1394a. Its speed is capped at 14.4MB/s vs 30MB/s for USB 2.0. Perhaps this problem is also found in IP35.

I'm done toying with this TROLL.
 

Heidfirst

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Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal


2. IP35 Pro has a better heat-pipe cooler than IP35. Yet according to the round-up at TECHSPOT.COM, it only hit 368MHz FSB vs 365MHz FSB for the IP35-E. That's a gain of less than ONE PERCENT.
your own oc results should cast some doubt upon theirs ...

4. IP35 has 1394a. However, real-world throughput of 1394a is only 10% faster than USB 2.0. That's the main reason why USB 2.0 is still the preferred mode of I/O. Besides, the IP35 Pro has an issue with 1394a. Its speed is capped at 14.4MB/s vs 30MB/s for USB 2.0. Perhaps this problem is also found in IP35.
& there is a beta BIOS out to address that issue on the Pro although I haven't seen any reports of whether it works or not - I get the feeling that firewire isn't that important theses days.
 

SerpentRoyal

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My 488MHz FSB was on an E6320 with 7x multi. The TECHSPOT's CPU is set at 10x multi. Manufacturing tolerances can easily account for a deviation of +/-1%. From my perspective, it's a tie between IP35 Pro and IP35-E (368MHz Vs 365MHz). The Asus board is a "hair" better in the overclocking department at 372MHz.

The design of the Abit IP35 Pro favors lower NB temperature at the expense of higher MOSFET and SB temps (inter-connected heat pipe configuration). I've seen posts with IP35 Pro/quad combo hitting 80C PWM. A stand-alone passive heat-sink will probably run cooler because it doesn't have to absorb the heat from the NB chip.
 

Upgr8er

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And you are missing something as well - I'm just pointing out he wants to save $40 on the mobo yet he's buying a $50 cooler ... got it? OK maybe my wording was confusing, I admit.

I would buy the $50 cooler no matter WHAT mb I was buying, as I'm sure any normal person here would . . . so your point is pointless. You're saying you would trust the stock fan/sink on your more expensive board and then do a heavy oc?????



 

Gore4President

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Make sure that the proper 12V rail is connected to this molex plug to avoid overloading a 12V in a multi-rail PSU.

Serpent, I have an Antec NeoHe 550, and I was wondering how can I tell if I have the proper 12v rail plugged into the molex plug on the motherboard for the PCI-E slot? Thanks.

 

SerpentRoyal

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I believe that PSU does not have a current-limiting device on each 12V rail. Therefore, you should be able to use any molex plug on the PSU.

Some older PSUs will limit the maximum amount of current to each rail. You need to look at the manual to find out with rail goes to the MB/CPU. Use the other rail when you attach the molex plug.
 

Gore4President

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Thanks for the response.

One more question: I'm going to be using an E6750 and 2GB of Patriot extreme performance (PC2 6400) ram with this board and am planning to modestly overclock to 3.2GHz (400x8). As far as changing settings in the BIOS, will just changing the FSB to 400 and setting the Mem divider to 1:1 be the extent of settings that I'll need to change? Will the default Vcore be fine? And do you recommend leaving on or off some of the Intel power saving settings like C1E and EIST? Thanks.
 

SerpentRoyal

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It can be hit or miss when you try to boot PC with 2.0-2.2V memory. The official industry standard is 1.8V. That's why I go with high quality DDR2 800 rated at 1.8V. These modules should be able to hit 450 to 500MHz with 2.1V and 5-5-5-15-2T timing.

REVIEW MANUAL BEFORE USE!!! Go into BIOS and make the following changes:

1. Change mouse and keyboard support from OS to BIOS.
2. Change fan support from 4-pin to 3-pin if your fan plug has two or three wires.
3. Change memory divider to 1:1, Vdimm to 2.0 or 2.1, and timing to 5-5-5-15.
4. Change Vcore to 1.465 (assuming you have a decent CPU cooler to push CPU to 3.2GHz).
5. Hit F10 and exit BIOS.
6. Install windows, Intel drivers, LAN, sound, etc...

Boot back to BIOS and make the following changes:

7. 370MHz FSB.
8. Hit F10 and reboot to windows.
9. Bump FSB to 375MHz if you can boot to windows. Repeat until you can no longer boot to windows.
10. Re-enter the last stable FSB value so that you can boot into windows. Run Memtest86 (test #5) for one hour. If okay, then run Orthos Large mode for one hour. Lower FSB by 2 MHz and retest as required.
 

chiew

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Hey serpent,
Haven't checked this thread in awhile...
I was just wondering if the IP35E still has double boot issues. Sorry if its been asked before recently. Can't wait to switch mobos and try the Abit out.
thanks
-Chiew
 

AlucardX

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Originally posted by: chiew
Hey serpent,
Haven't checked this thread in awhile...
I was just wondering if the IP35E still has double boot issues. Sorry if its been asked before recently. Can't wait to switch mobos and try the Abit out.
thanks
-Chiew

yes, IP35E and IP35 still have double-POST issue.
 
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