About 83% of US coronavirus deaths could have been avoided if lockdowns were imposed March 1, researchers estimate

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Yes, this is more deaths than if we followed South Korea's methods but still a huge drop from our country's 95k death total and rising.
This research hasn't been peer reviewed.

About 83% of US coronavirus deaths could have been avoided if lockdowns were imposed March 1, researchers estimate

Even one week earlier, the estimates were that 36,000 deaths could have been prevented.
One can see why South Korea has on 263 deaths to this day. They acted as soon as they had their first positive case, which was within a day of our first positive case. January 23rd.
 

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A model in the UK suggests a similar lowering of the UK's death total if they had sheltered in place a week earlier.

 

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COVID was in the US in early January at least, with confirmed cases in late January.

Competent administration acts in January. Not-terrible administration acts in February.

We're stuck in the darkest timeline, where we reminisce about taking action in EARLY MARCH.

Being sick with COVID is personal. This pandemic's reach is political.
 

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Infection already moved from China to Italy and Iran late January. The infected others second week of February. Those people caused the worldwide spread. So beginning of March already too late. But if these people did quarantine immediately, then that would have helped.
 

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I'm not sure it would have been successful then. I remember being totally shocked when the NBA stopped it's season (3/12) and a few days later (3/17) absolutely stunned when the NCAA canceled March Madness (probably giving up hundreds of millions of dollars for it's schools).

I'm semi-retired, was doing on-call work until I canceled it on my own 3/17.

Retrospective vision makes things a lot clearer but not starting earlier I don't blame on The Donald. Not starting a shutdown at all and ducking responsibility I do blame on him.
 

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Better tell Cuomo that - edit to make it clearer. Look at the dates of the articles (March 17 and March 18, weeks after the March 1 from the study). So all virus deaths in NY are Cuomo's fault, right?




https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51880799

But..but..but...but....Trump...GOP...Russia...Ukraine.. Impeachment..... <insert excuses #4674651313132132485 and .......>
 
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Better tell Cuomo that -




https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51880799

But..but..but...but....Trump...GOP...Russia...Ukraine.. Impeachment..... <insert excuses #4674651313132132485 and .......>

Cuomo said he wants to tamp down rumors that the city will be placed under lockdown similar to measures taken by public officials in Italy and China, which have the highest number of cases in the world.

There's more to a news article than just a headline
 
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what you're forgetting is that it was all a hoax until at least early April, so really, president smoothbrains and his qusiling army acted early and ahead of the curve for when it was actually real!
 
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There's more to a news article than just a headline

He's a spiteful creature. We never had a chance of stopping it. Not in Merricuh. We've done a half-assed decent job of slowing it down to beef up the health care system to better handle what's coming, but I doubt we'll be able to prevent it from being swamped over the next 6 months. Lots of sickness & death. Lying about it only makes it worse. In a sane society, we'd all do what we reasonablly could to hold down the rate of spread but, well, that's not who we are. Too many of us just DGAF.
 

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In Trumps mind, the pandemic is just an accounting problem. What's important is not how many people get sick and die, but who gets charged for it. This is similar to his approach to business, in which it doesn't matter who pays his debts as long as it's not him.
 

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Estimate... Sounds like worthless information.

Then NEVER bring up the number of flu deaths per year reported in the U.S. as those numbers are ESTIMATES and try to use them in an attempt to dismiss the severity of COVID by comparing COVID death totals with yearly flu death totals.

And the difference is the COVID deaths are actual counts, which makes regular "flu" death totals pale by comparison.
 

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The orange menace is now calling this model/study, a "political hit job".
Because Columbia university is liberal.
Can you spell, the orange menace is an
effing moron?

 
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The orange menace is now calling this model/study, a "political hit job".
Because Columbia university is liberal.
Can you spell, the orange menace is an
effing moron?


Trump is a fucking cvnt. plain and simple.

so is anyone that ever agrees with him, for any reason, at any time. fucking army of cvnts. all of them.
 
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Damn ! If only the Communist/Authoritarian Chinese hadn't lied and deliberately misinformed the rest of the world about the virus and if their puppets at the UN WHO hadn't helped conceal the dangers. We could have saved a number of lives.

I wonder how many Chinese peasants were slaughtered and bulldozed into mass graves with no records kept of their deaths?

But orange man bad, yeah, yeah we got it.
 
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Your whataboutism has nothing to do with the Columbia model. Regardless of what the Chinese did, the orange menace did jack shit. The orange menace has the blood of tens of thousands of American lives on his hands.
 
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Damn ! If only the Communist/Authoritarian Chinese hadn't lied and deliberately misinformed the rest of the world about the virus and if their puppets at the UN WHO hadn't helped conceal the dangers. We could have saved a number of lives.

I wonder how many Chinese peasants were slaughtered and bulldozed into mass graves with no records kept of their deaths?

But orange man bad, yeah, yeah we got it.
Probably a billion or more.......... right?
Meanwhile, other countries with infection rate under control is open for business again, cause competent leadership in early stages. Sucks to be you.
 

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Damn ! If only the Communist/Authoritarian Chinese hadn't lied and deliberately misinformed the rest of the world about the virus and if their puppets at the UN WHO hadn't helped conceal the dangers. We could have saved a number of lives.

I wonder how many Chinese peasants were slaughtered and bulldozed into mass graves with no records kept of their deaths?

But orange man bad, yeah, yeah we got it.

Irrelevant—Trump had intelligence reports in early January, and by early March we knew enough about the virus to understand what impact it could have. My daughter’s birthday party was March 7 and I remember planning contingencies the week before in case the venue closed (it didn’t and no one canceled.)

What we didn’t know was how many cases we had at the time (because of faulty CDC tests and us refusing the WHO tests). I doubt Trump would have implemented a national stay-at-home order even if he had the data, but he didn’t have the data. Nor did any governors.
 
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