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Daedalus685

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Just remember, the US is a country where a guy shot two people robbing his neighbors house in the back, and was heralded as a hero. Of course, that was Texas, and they are a bunch of simpletons who really get off on the idea of killing people for any reason.
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exdeath

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You could always build a mote and protect from both

But no, I understand your point... One certainly has the right to defend themselves. I am merely accustomed to the fact that any response of unreasonable force is a crime in its fullest.

I suppose I either don't consider a break in as something I can control nor do I think I require a gun to stop someone from raping my partner, or I see it as profoundly unlikely... which may be related to where I live.

And if that person has a gun and you do not?
 

Lanyap

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You can be in the nicest, most peaceful suburb in the USA and this type of crime can find you. Feeling "safe" in your neighborhood is being naive

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2132349.ece

Awful.

Yes, crime can happen anywhere at anytime. How often it happens in your neighborhood will normally determine whether you feel you need to have a gun by your bedside. If OP was living in one of the lower crime suburbs he would not be asking this question.

I lived in Metairie and worked in NOLA for many years. The only time I carried my handgun with me was when the Rodney King situtation occurred. I worked in an area that might have become dangerous during that time. I have owned handguns since I was 17 and still do.



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Daedalus685

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And if that person has a gun and you do not?

Hand guns are illegal in Canada. Also, I view the possibility of someone doing this as so unlikely that it is not worth my concern.. Even so, I have fists for a reason and a phone the MPs have a less than 1min response time in my neighbourhood if it comes to it.
 

Atreus21

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After reading that, it makes me want to reach from my Walther P22, before my Remington 870 if I was ever put in a bad situation. I only have #8 birdshot for my shotgun in my house.

Either way, I never had those guns around for self-defense anyway.

The Remington 870, I read, was a very good home defense weapon.
 

nick1985

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I see your town's numbers are not at 0 yet. That would be enough for me to own a firearm.
 
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You seriously won't be charged for murder in the states for shooting someone with buck shot in your home? Our laws are very different here. Is there no escalation of force requirements in your self defence laws or are you only referring to cases where the intruder is pointing a gun at you?

Isn't the point to not kill them and scare the piss out of them in order to avoid having to deal with the murder charges? I'd love to meet the dude that wants to continue stealing your TV after a couple loads of even bird shot in the back.. Criminals aren't exactly trained soldiers, I'd bet that half the time, even if they are armed, they'd be running as fast as they can at the mere sight of a home owner with a shotgun, loaded or not.

Not at all. In fact, you might open yourself up to lawsuits if you do anything BUT try to kill them when using a weapon (it shows you weren't in fear for your life).

Some states have a duty to retreat (ie get away if you can), but many do not. If you look at the actual laws in most places it's legal to use lethal force even to stop a felony from being committed (rather it's violent or not). However, in practice most courts are pushing away from that by allowing force only to respond to fear of injury/death.
 

nick1985

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Hand guns are illegal in Canada.

Handguns are also illegal in Chicago Illinois(for a few more months). People are killed with them everyday in Chicago.

Hint: Making a gun illegal only hurts law abiding citizens. Criminals will still carry them, since by their very definition they do not follow the laws. They dont give a rats ass if handguns are illegal where they are.
 

nick1985

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Hand guns are illegal in Canada. Also, I view the possibility of someone doing this as so unlikely that it is not worth my concern.. Even so, I have fists for a reason and a phone the MPs have a less than 1min response time in my neighbourhood if it comes to it.

Relying on 1) your ability to get to a phone, 2)your ability to dial the police, and 3) the police to show up in time to help you, is all silly.
 

Daedalus685

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Relying on 1) your ability to get to a phone, 2)your ability to dial the police, and 3) the police to show up in time to help you, is all silly.

Well first of all I have to rely on them unless you think I should break the law.... Though I am quite full of confidence in the MPs.. they are VERY quick (and heavily armed if that matters to you).

Secondly, for someone who does not live in fear you certainly seem to be trying to scare me of all the things that could go wrong. I 'could' be murdered on my way home tonight.. this does not make me feel like I need a gun to protect me of this possibility, just as I don't feel I need a bomb shelter in case the reactor goes critical. Though I accept that the worry may be more real in other parts of the continent.
 
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Atreus21

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Move to Metairie, Kenner or a newer suburb. When I grew up there crime was not a problem. It could have changed since I moved but it's better than living in NOLA city limits.

I currently live in Bocage, in Algiers, which is a gorgeous neighborhood. Before that I lived in Lakeview, arguably the safest neighborhood in the city.

But Katrina changed a lot of that. There've been murders in the most unlikely places since then.
 

palehorse

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1) Sig Sauer P229R (40S&W)
2) Sig Sauer P228 (9mm - Duty Weapon)
3) Sig Sauer P232 (.380ACP)
4) Custom-built AR15 (.223)
5) Benelli Super Nova (12-guage)

The wife and I have all of our bases covered.
 
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nick1985

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Well first of all I have to rely on them unless you think I should break the law....

You have demonstrated your ignorance of US laws, now I am demonstrating my ignorance of yours. Is owning a shotgun illegal where you are?
 

Zargon

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Just remember, the US is a country where a guy shot two people robbing his neighbors house in the back, and was heralded as a hero. Of course, that was Texas, and they are a bunch of simpletons who really get off on the idea of killing people for any reason.

Im sure if someone made such a retarded generalization about a minority you would be calling them a racist.
 

Moonbeam

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But of course, if you hate yourself and feel you have nothing, like normal people do, you are going to want to have nuclear weapons to protect your crumbs.

as usual you are bat shit crazy

And if you weren't an imbecile you'd understand that's quite a complement. War is Peace to you Bro and Love is Hate. You are a program, a mechanical being who thinks he thinks, but you're really only a big wall of buttons. The funniest thing on the planet is to watch people punch a mirror.
 

Atreus21

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Well first of all I have to rely on them unless you think I should break the law....

Secondly, for someone who does not live in fear you certainly seem to be trying to scare me of all the things that could go wrong. I 'could' be murdered on my way home tonight.. this does not make me feel like I need a gun to protect me of this possibility, just as I don't feel I need a bomb shelter in case the reactor goes critical.

Nothing personal intended, but having a murder occur in close proximity to what was previously considered a safe neighborhood should scare you. I can certainly say it scares me.

I don't think buying a gun to protect oneself and one's family, with deadly force if necessary, is an extreme solution to mitigate that risk.
 

Daedalus685

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You have demonstrated your ignorance of US laws, now I am demonstrating my ignorance of yours. Is owning a shotgun illegal where you are?

Only if it is loaded.

You can have ammo in your home but what kind can depend on the hunting season. You are not permitted to have a weapon stored loaded (weapons must be locked up, ammo locked up in another container).. though that is a lesser crime than owning a hand gun. In theory one could load it when a burglar arrived but it would be quicker to call the police.
 

Zargon

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Only if it is loaded.

You can have ammo in your home but what kind can depend on the hunting season. You are not permitted to have a weapon stored loaded (weapons must be locked up, ammo locked up in another container).. though that is a lesser crime than owning a hand gun. In theory one could load it when a burglar arrived but it would be quicker to call the police.

yeah police response times around my area are no where close to 1 min

and I call shens that yours are that quick.

You cant even get the dispatch call out in a minute.
 
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