About gun ownership

[nick1985]

I prefer revolvers for home defense. I have .38 spc and .357 mags.

I prefer a revolver over a semi-auto to avoid any risks of jams etc. I have a semi-auto and can clear jams and shoot simultaneously, yet still prefer my revolvers.

If you are concerned about over-penetration there is ammo available to reduce that risk.

My house is fairly small, with small rooms so I feel the area is just to 'tight' for a shotgun. I suppose if I lived in a house with huge rooms a shotgun might be a good choice. If so, I think I'd go with a 20 gauge. IMO, a 12 gauge is overkill etc.

Fern

I've never once seen my XD jam in thousands of rounds. What semi-auto do you have?

 

[xj0hnx]

So because I don't need a gun to thwart off a crook I'm the pansy? Really?

I've seen many instances where you most certainly would need a gun to thwart the criminal. America has these things called home invasions, and they can be particularly brutal, and are usually perpetrated by multiple attackers, and they aren't taking place in bad neighborhoods either. Nice houses, in good neighborhoods are the primary target, I mean why would a criminal rob broke people? The attacks are usually extremely violent in nature, the one that occurred in our old apartment complex left a 15 year old boy shot in the stomach, his mother assaulted, and their house robbed, this happened at noon in a big complex. The kind of criminal here that fits your description is some high school kids out being unruly, not real criminals.

 

[Fern]

I've never once seen my XD jam in thousands of rounds. What semi-auto do you have?

I've got a Baretta.

I know most people swear by their semi-auto's, and many prefer the extra capacity of semi's. But I just don't want to have to worry about "Murphy's Law' striking at the wrong time. And, IMO, in the home defense environment something is seriously wrong if I've got to fire more than 1 or 2 rounds.

Fern

 

[Daedalus685]

I've seen many instances where you most certainly would need a gun to thwart the criminal. America has these things called home invasions, and they can be particularly brutal, and are usually perpetrated by multiple attackers, and they aren't taking place in bad neighborhoods either. Nice houses, in good neighborhoods are the primary target, I mean why would a criminal rob broke people? The attacks are usually extremely violent in nature, the one that occurred in our old apartment complex left a 15 year old boy shot in the stomach, his mother assaulted, and their house robbed, this happened at noon in a big complex. The kind of criminal here that fits your description is some high school kids out being unruly, not real criminals.

Yes, bad people exist... While that sort of thing is exceedingly uncommon here it still doesn't make a gun a requirement.

I'm sure the criminals in Canada suck compared to the super crooks you guys have but that is besides the point.. There are people advocating shoot first, its my damn house.. I'm sure the criminals are different in other places but if folks here had that mentality we'd have 9 drunk teenagers dead for every one "criminal." All I was saying was that to shoot without thought is retarded.. and in many places criminal in and of itself.

We are at the point of worrying about some pretty ridiculous things... How many guns do you need to thwart off 4 armed men? One certainly isn't going to cut it.. if they want you dead at all costs you will be dead, gun or not.

I'm really surprised how toughed up you guys make your criminals out to be.. culturally a criminal here would be akin to a rat... I guess you guys have bears? Not that we don't have some bears too, just not enough for one to give a shit...

Though if these things are really an issue in places in the states you guys REALLY have to reevaluate other aspects of society.. not just guns.

I don't believe I need a gun to thwart off any criminal I could reasonably expect to threaten me.. and a killer is a killer in my book. Required or not, if someone had to die something is fucked up somewhere. No one should have to die over something I have insured anyway... But that is my opinion and i respect that others may disagree.. though I'd be right pissed with my politicians if home invasions like that happened anywhere but on tv.. enough to take my guns to their bloody houses..

 

[spidey07]

I've got a Baretta.

I know most people swear by their semi-auto's, and many prefer the extra capacity of semi's. But I just don't want to have to worry about "Murphy's Law' striking at the wrong time. And, IMO, in the home defense environment something is seriously wrong if I've got to fire more than 1 or 2 rounds.

Fern

I'll be getting my wife a revolver for her side and probably another to place on the first floor (other floors are good). Oh, and you need to practice your two to the heart, one to the head routines. That takes 3 bullets.

Most times it's more than one bad guy so I do like the extra ammo capacity of a semi. I have another magazine or two loaded by the gun just in case.

 

[CitizenKain]

You're an idiot. I would love to have a neighbor like that guy are you kidding? You know maybe stealing is you know... fucking WRONG and against the law in the first place and if you're willing to break the law and put yourself into that position you're risking getting shot at by people so fuck those two pieces of shit who died.

Are you a Texan? I should have posted a picture drawn in crayon for you then.

Defending yourself? Perfectly Ok. If someone busts into your house with a knife and hardon, go ahead.

Defending a TV by shooting someone next door? Not ok. Its a difficult concept for people to really understand, but then again Texas is a state that executed a retarded person.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yes, bad people exist... While that sort of thing is exceedingly uncommon here it still doesn't make a gun a requirement.

I'm sure the criminals in Canada suck compared to the super crooks you guys have but that is besides the point.. There are people advocating shoot first, its my damn house.. I'm sure the criminals are different in other places but if folks here had that mentality we'd have 9 drunk teenagers dead for every one "criminal." All I was saying was that to shoot without thought is retarded.. and in many places criminal in and of itself.

We are at the point of worrying about some pretty ridiculous things... How many guns do you need to thwart off 4 armed men? One certainly isn't going to cut it.. if they want you dead at all costs you will be dead, gun or not.

I'm really surprised how toughed up you guys make your criminals out to be.. culturally a criminal here would be akin to a rat... I guess you guys have bears? Not that we don't have some bears too, just not enough for one to give a shit...

Though if these things are really an issue in places in the states you guys REALLY have to reevaluate other aspects of society.. not just guns.

I don't believe I need a gun to thwart off any criminal I could reasonably expect to threaten me.. and a killer is a killer in my book. Required or not, if someone had to die something is fucked up somewhere. No one should have to die over something I have insured anyway... But that is my opinion and i respect that others may disagree.. though I'd be right pissed with my politicians if home invasions like that happened anywhere but on tv.. enough to take my guns to their bloody houses..

Well we aren't talking about you in Canada now are we? We are talking about here where we have really criminals that do brutal things to people, not dumb drunk high school kids.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Pretty scary website here to talk about what you own. A lot of "ownership is theft" shit here.

I own nothing. I am a cloud.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Ok.. but my first reaction would be to threaten them verbally.. why on earth would I shoot unless I knew exactly what their intentions were? Despite my moral objection to doing that, it is unquestionably murder where I live.

I feel safe because I understand statistics. It is not worth worrying about things will likely never happen to me and even if someone did break in only another rare fraction would be a situation I could not handle.. If it really came down to it as a last resort I could run away.. or I could die trying.. but that would be the same in some situations regardless of the weapons I possess.

I'm confused how you think I am unable to defend myself.. I am quite capable of looking after my own.. I don't feel I need a gun for that.. Mind you it is not an option to me anyway given the laws of the land. Regardless of how "prepared" I am there is some situation I could dream up where it would not be enough... seems I drew the line of "who bloody cares, it is not worth worrying about" a bit earlier than some others.

I mean, if my neighbour got beaten and robbed in his own home my first reaction would not be "I should get a gun" but "what can I do to make sure that sort of thing is far less likely in the future."



To Nick. I can only claim I know it is murder in those places I said right after I don't know where it is illegal in the states, but I'm sure there are many states that have very similar laws to Canada. I don't understand how the act of killing someone could be anything but a terrible thing, required or not.

There is NO state where it's illegal to kill to defend yourself. It's only a question of what has to happen first: was retreat a safe option, did you honestly believe you were in imminent danger of serious bodily harm, etc. For instance, if you're at home and someone comes at you in the night with a weapon while your family is asleep, there isn't a single state in the country where you would go to jail for killing them (no matter what you used to do it), as long as it was an immediate death (ie no hitting them after they were down, hitting em while they retreated, etc).

 

[nick1985]

Though if these things are really an issue in places in the states you guys REALLY have to reevaluate other aspects of society.. not just guns.

I'm glad you are with the pro-gun rights crowd with that statement.

 

[bfdd]

Are you a Texan? I should have posted a picture drawn in crayon for you then.

Defending yourself? Perfectly Ok. If someone busts into your house with a knife and hardon, go ahead.

Defending a TV by shooting someone next door? Not ok. Its a difficult concept for people to really understand, but then again Texas is a state that executed a retarded person.

No I'm not a Texan, but if someone comes into my home and tries to rob me they are going to die period. If someone tries to rob my neighbor and I catch them, odds are they will probably die. The problem isn't people shooting criminals who illegally come into their home and try to rob them, the problem is people who illegally come into someone elses home with the intent to rob them.

 

[bfdd]

I've never once seen my XD jam in thousands of rounds. What semi-auto do you have?

The XD is SOLID. My brother gave me his when he picked up a USP compact .40 off one of his marine buddies, I totally came up because while I love the USP a .40 sucks and I'd take the XD .45 over it every day.

 

[spidey07]

XDm 45 coming out sometime this year. I'd get that in a heartbeat.

This is for our candian friend. Check out the little organ destroying points.

 

[bob4432]

Ok.. but my first reaction would be to threaten them verbally.. why on earth would I shoot unless I knew exactly what their intentions were? Despite my moral objection to doing that, it is unquestionably murder where I live.

I feel safe because I understand statistics. It is not worth worrying about things will likely never happen to me and even if someone did break in only another rare fraction would be a situation I could not handle.. If it really came down to it as a last resort I could run away.. or I could die trying.. but that would be the same in some situations regardless of the weapons I possess.

I'm confused how you think I am unable to defend myself.. I am quite capable of looking after my own.. I don't feel I need a gun for that.. Mind you it is not an option to me anyway given the laws of the land. Regardless of how "prepared" I am there is some situation I could dream up where it would not be enough... seems I drew the line of "who bloody cares, it is not worth worrying about" a bit earlier than some others.

I mean, if my neighbour got beaten and robbed in his own home my first reaction would not be "I should get a gun" but "what can I do to make sure that sort of thing is far less likely in the future."



To Nick. I can only claim I know it is murder in those places I said right after I don't know where it is illegal in the states, but I'm sure there are many states that have very similar laws to Canada. I don't understand how the act of killing someone could be anything but a terrible thing, required or not.

while you are interviewing them they are on you in an instant w/ a gun or knife and you are probably bleeding out watching them take your shit, or worse.

 

[bfdd]

XDm 45 coming out sometime this year. I'd get that in a heartbeat.

This is for our candian friend. Check out the little organ destroying points.

I've only shot it once, but you don't see it all that often is 10mm. This guy I used to work with had a Glock 20 and that thing was pretty sweet.

 

[nick1985]

I've only shot it once, but you don't see it all that often is 10mm. This guy I used to work with had a Glock 20 and that thing was pretty sweet.

10mm is a sick round. Equivalent to a .41 magnum.

 

[werepossum]

Short barrel shotgun loaded with birdshot is a good choice for home defense i.e. 1 shot takedown, some allowance for poor aiming depending on distance, small chance of deadly penetration through outside walls, also a pump has the advantage of a sound like no other when cycled and may lead to a rapid exit of an intruder without shots fired.

All this. Add a cheap laser sight as well, and if the sight of a 12 gauge, the sound of the action as you rack in a shell, and the little red dot don't result in an immediate high-speed departure, shoot to kill because you're facing a very stoned and/or very dangerous intruder. A shorty pump with an extended magazine allows you to keep several shells loaded without the danger of accidental discharge as well as furnishing that lovely, bone-chilling sound of the action. Remember some things though:
Loaded guns are very dangerous around children.
Guns have to be almost instantly usable for effective home defense.
Never point at anything you're not willing to shoot.
A loaded weapon you're not willing to use is merely arming your intruder.
And even birdshot at close range will penetrate sheetrock and siding (maybe not brick or block, though I've seen it happen) just like a slug. Keep that in mind if you have to shoot. A friend had loaded a shotgun and forgotten to unload it; it later got knocked over and blew a fist-sized hole through the brick exterior.

My personal preference for shotguns is 7-1/2 or even 9 shot, which is more easily stopped and loses energy more quickly than larger shot and so is less dangerous to the neighbors. You can also get rat shot for handguns, but they typically have much less power than shotguns so fast-expanding, light JHP are probably a better bet.

 

[bfdd]

10mm is a sick round. Equivalent to a .41 magnum.

.45 acp is still my favorite round to shoot, but that 10mm was incredibly sick. I didn't think much of it until I actually fired it.

 

[werepossum]

But by the definition of the law, in many places it does. It certainly does in most of Europe and all of Canada. I'm not sure which states it does or does not make one a murdered.

I mean, sure, one could sit in jail for the rest of their lives considering themselves not murderers.. while still being convicted of such. I wouldn't so quickly assume majority either.. but I'll grant you that a good number would agree with you.

Most Americans have not yet been broken to the leash, much less our criminals. If Europeans and Canadians prefer noble victimhood to self defense, so be it. Most Americans do not.

 

[mizzou]

Shotgun is the best weapon for home defense, however it is also the hardest to contain safely if you have children/nosy people in your home.

No quick safes for shotguns that I'm aware of

All u gotta do is pump the action and your enemies will piss their pants if they know what's good for them.

On the pistol end, get some good home defense ammo (I use GLASER rounds, which some people will think im crazy, but I don't want to hit my children through the wall)

 

[Moonbeam]

Most Americans have not yet been broken to the leash, much less our criminals. If Europeans and Canadians prefer noble victimhood to self defense, so be it. Most Americans do not.

Most Europeans and Canadians haven't been made to feel like wimps by living in a cowboy culture of moron men who are sexually repressed and have major psychological problems with women. These other folk, instead of masturbation on forums and oiling their guns are having real satisfying sex. They don't have this hate of their inner tender nurturing male.

 

[Moonbeam]

XDm 45 coming out sometime this year. I'd get that in a heartbeat.

This is for our candian friend. Check out the little organ destroying points.

Yup, folks will want to shoot you in the chest rather than the head.

 

[bfdd]

Most Europeans and Canadians haven't been made to feel like wimps by living in a cowboy culture of moron men who are sexually repressed and have major psychological problems with women. These other folk, instead of masturbation on forums and oiling their guns are having real satisfying sex. They don't have this hate of their inner tender nurturing male.

rofl good one

 

[werepossum]

Most Europeans and Canadians haven't been made to feel like wimps by living in a cowboy culture of moron men who are sexually repressed and have major psychological problems with women. These other folk, instead of masturbation on forums and oiling their guns are having real satisfying sex. They don't have this hate of their inner tender nurturing male.

I like you when you're in your happy place!

 

[Moonbeam]

I like you when you're in your happy place!

Somebody has got to try to help, you fuckers are just so sad. We all need to get together in caves at night and light fires and see who can make the best totem to ward off the evil eye. Maybe we can build a gun that will shoot a two ton plastic Jesus at 5000 fps. Personally I just can't wait for my robot exoskeleton. I'm going to run around my house at night in that thing and create some real mayhem. I'll just think you dead and you will be. Remember when we were all five and used to laugh together about poo poo? We used to fear having smelly pants and now our dicks are too short? Life, a never ending series of problems.