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May 16, 2000
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Only if it is loaded.

You can have ammo in your home but what kind can depend on the hunting season. You are not permitted to have a weapon stored loaded (weapons must be locked up, ammo locked up in another container).. though that is a lesser crime than owning a hand gun. In theory one could load it when a burglar arrived but it would be quicker to call the police.


O Rly???

http://www.citycaucus.com/2009/09/police-response-times-are-an-unreliable-measurement

It takes you longer than 9 minutes to load a weapon?? You're doing it wrong.
 

nick1985

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Dec 29, 2002
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yeah police response times around my area are no where close to 1 min

and I call shens that yours are that quick.

You cant even get the dispatch call out in a minute.

Yeah, I'd bet 10 grand right now that he cannot call the police and have them in his driveway in 60 seconds or less.

That is shens 100%
 
May 16, 2000
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Fair enough... I will never again doubt how ridiculous folks can be.. but there is no way the majority of people thought he was a hero.. Glen beck ins not a majority

Google his name and poll. You'll find anywhere from 45 to 75% agreeing with his actions (depending on what the poll asked, who responded, etc).
 

Moonbeam

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Everything you fear has already happened. There is no use closing the barn door after the horse has escaped. The monsters are now under your bed and waiting to grab you from the unconscious and cause you to remember. Be very afraid of waking up and finding your heart is dead, that you missed your one chance to love, that you wasted your life in the armory.

Ah, I remember a story about a man who decided he wanted to be safe so he went to live in a cave and built a wall over the entrance at which point he died from lack of air. But then, he didn't know what Oxygen really is now did he.
 

Daedalus685

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O Rly???

http://www.citycaucus.com/2009/09/police-response-times-are-an-unreliable-measurement

It takes you longer than 9 minutes to load a weapon?? You're doing it wrong.
I said quicker to call...

If it takes you longer to call 911 and cream that you are being robbed by some dude with a gun than to go to two separate locked cabinets you might need to learn how to use a phone. Time of response will vary on location of course.. Being on a military jurisdiction changes a lot of that, I have no doubt.

I'm still at a loss for how the criminal got a gun too, unless they are robbing me with a rifle, which might not be the best tool to use in clsoe quarters.. Even so, if a phone was not reliable as I could be dead before I called loading a locked up gun and ammo certainly isn't either.
 

spidey07

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People are confusing castle doctrine. In most states if they are in you house you can shoot them dead and by law cannot be charged criminally or any civil charges brought against you. Once they cross the threshold you can shoot them dead. Shooting them as they are trying to break in and you'll most likely not get charged either. Depending on state of course.

Always remember, just to make sure, the first words out of your mouth should be "I was extremely scared my life and my family's life was in danager. I feared for our lives."
 
May 16, 2000
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Jesus. I had no idea so many anandtechers were packing.

Well, big difference between owning one, and carrying it. Lots of people have one in the house somewhere, but not as many keep one loaded and ready, or on them. Still, we do seem a bit skewed from the general statistics.

roughly 40% own one in America
roughly 5% carry one in America
 

nick1985

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If it takes you longer to call 911 and cream that you are being robbed by some dude with a gun

Except calling 911 does nothing to help you during those precious minutes. They still have to dispatch the call and you tap your foot waiting around for police to show up.
 

nick1985

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Well, big difference between owning one, and carrying it. Lots of people have one in the house somewhere, but not as many keep one loaded and ready, or on them. Still, we do seem a bit skewed from the general statistics.

roughly 40% own one in America
roughly 5% carry one in America

I live in one of 2 states in the nation where our right to carry is denied to us.
 
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I said quicker to call...

If it takes you longer to call 911 and cream that you are being robbed by some dude with a gun than to go to two separate locked cabinets you might need to learn how to use a phone. Time of response will vary on location of course.. Being on a military jurisdiction changes a lot of that, I have no doubt.

I'm still at a loss for how the criminal got a gun too, unless they are robbing me with a rifle, which might not be the best tool to use in clsoe quarters.. Even so, if a phone was not reliable as I could be dead before I called loading a locked up gun and ammo certainly isn't either.

Fair enough. I just would rather spend my 60 seconds trying to save myself, rather than filing a report with the police on how I was about to be injured/dead.
 

spidey07

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Thanks to castle laws a criminal has a choice.

"I'm entering somebody's residence without permission, I may get killed without warning by doing so"
 

highland145

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Well, big difference between owning one, and carrying it. Lots of people have one in the house somewhere, but not as many keep one loaded and ready, or on them. Still, we do seem a bit skewed from the general statistics.

roughly 40% own one in America
roughly 5% carry one in America
Maybe the op can add ccw/cwp license holders to the poll. In for one. 2 if you count N.H. so that I can go into G.A.
 

Esiuda

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What is crazy here...

People implieng that if someone breaks into my home, I should flee. It is my home, and I will defend my family.

People saying that if someone breaks into their home, they will make some noise??? and that the person breaking in will flee?????

This is what I believe.

When I rack my shotgun, if they flee...they will not be shot in the back....if they turn towards me, they will never rob or harm anyone again.

Best home defense weapon, a shotgun. The sound of racking a round into the chamber is warning enough.

I wonder, do any of you own a fire extinguisher? If you do, why? Do you live every day of your life afraid of fire? Are the chances so small of fire that you do not own one? How much of your house do you think will burn while you get to your phone, call 911 (or emergency services) and the fire department gets there to put out the fire????

Anti gun laws only affect citizens, not criminals. In this world, it seems that more rights are given to criminals then the citizens.
 

Daedalus685

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Except calling 911 does nothing to help you during those precious minutes. They still have to dispatch the call and you tap your foot waiting around for police to show up.

Yes, I would... but since the likely hood of an armed robbery is on the order of a tank running over my car by mistake I am willing to live with a perhaps not perfect solution. I'd much rather spend my time on keeping folks from committing crimes than worrying about what happens if they do. I would rather risk having to fend off a criminal with general self defence hand to hand combat than own a hand gun in the first place. (I don't see the use of a hunting gun in self defence given the laws associated with them)
 
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Maybe the op can add ccw/cwp license holders to the poll. In for one. 2 if you count N.H. so that I can go into G.A.

I've often wondered how multiple license holders skew the carry percentages. People who have them in many states may be counted multiple times, but be only one person (and almost never in most of the states they're licensed in). We really need better data some day.
 

Daedalus685

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What is crazy here...

People implieng that if someone breaks into my home, I should flee. It is my home, and I will defend my family.

People saying that if someone breaks into their home, they will make some noise??? and that the person breaking in will flee?????

This is what I believe.

When I rack my shotgun, if they flee...they will not be shot in the back....if they turn towards me, they will never rob or harm anyone again.

Best home defense weapon, a shotgun. The sound of racking a round into the chamber is warning enough.

I wonder, do any of you own a fire extinguisher? If you do, why? Do you live every day of your life afraid of fire? Are the chances so small of fire that you do not own one? How much of your house do you think will burn while you get to your phone, call 911 (or emergency services) and the fire department gets there to put out the fire????

Anti gun laws only affect citizens, not criminals. In this world, it seems that more rights are given to criminals then the citizens.

No one is implying that one should flee their own home... but just that most criminals are likely sacred out of their pants in the first place... they don't want to have to steal for a living (most anyway) and that simply screaming at them to get the hell out would often be enough.. Any assertion of threat on the part of the home owner would likely be enough.. Besides that, I have no desire to spend the rest of my life in jail, thus I would not kill burglar unless I absolutely had to (the only time I would not be up on second degree murder charges).

As to the fire thing... There were some dozen houses destroyed by fire over the last year in my county... there have been zero recorded armed (I stress armed.. people have had shit stolen, though mostly from their garage when they were not home) robberies in the last decade. The probabilities are TOTALLY different.

Besides that, I am mandated by law to own a fire extinguisher and a fire extinguisher is not a lethal weapon (yes... it would make a nasty club), so I am much more comfortable having one in my home.
 

thepd7

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No but state and federal prosecuters do. If you shoot someone and/or kill them, it better have been because you had a reasonable fear of great bodily harm or loss of life (or the defense of another from the same).

You'll be in deep water if you shoot someone running out of your house with a TV, even with a castle doctrine, but the law says you can stop them from leaving with your property with reasonable physical force, then escalate to deadly force when they confront you and become a threat.

Almost every castle doctrine law stil requires that the person was a threat and that the action was justfied under the normal use for force laws. Castle doctrine does not give a licence to unconditionally shoot or kill someone for being in your house. It only gives you legal immunity if you do end up shooting or killing someone in your house for a valid reason as defined by the regular laws regarding use of force.

Not in Texas. It is legal to shoot someone to prevent theft, not only in my home but my car as well. There is not the burden of "reasonable fear for life" like outside the home.


lol, I'm not talking about suing, no court would hear a suit.. But in Canada you'd be up on second degree murder charges and face life in prison for that...


Thanks for pointing out the castle law and whatnot nkgreen. That is crazy.. lol. I really thought the Simpsons where Wiggum told Homer that "once they are in your house whatever you do is nice and legal.. it doesn't work if you invite them" was just the Simpson's being a cartoon..

Oh man.. that is so totally insane.

I'm not sure why one would 'want' to kill someone for taking their TV... but whatever. I've yet to meet a criminal that was able to put up more resistance than a squirrel and not run off at a relatively loud noise.

I personal would never kill someone for taking my TV. In fact, I have 5 guns and would not use one on anyone right now, even if they were to shoot me. However, if I get married and have kids it's game on. Anyone coming into my house without my permission has forfeited their right to live.

You should read more than the first paragraph. Castle doctrine is merely unconditional legal immunity from what must already be a lawful use of deadly force in self defense, which means that the defense must still fall under justified use of deadly force laws requiring an imminent threat of injury or bodily harm. You cannot be defended by castle doctrine if you just shoot someone without a threat.

Of course if they are not initially a threat, and in the course of making them identify themselves, leave, or put your property down, they decide to become a threat, at that point it escalates to reasonable use of deadly force.

I'd suggest anyone intent on defending their property with lethal force who doesn't understand what castle doctrine is to review their states laws before ending up being worse off than losing $100 worth of property.

You are somewhat correct. Castle doctrine MAKES many of the situations you fear legal. In Texas, yes I am defended by castle doctrine shooting someone in my home. Even if you think they are not a threat, legally they are.

Just remember, the US is a country where a guy shot two people robbing his neighbors house in the back, and was heralded as a hero. Of course, that was Texas, and they are a bunch of simpletons who really get off on the idea of killing people for any reason.

[Citation needed]

He's correct that it happened. He's ignorant of our laws for not understanding that it was legal. What we "get off on" is the protection of hard-earned property and the legal right to keep that property.
 

bfdd

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Just remember, the US is a country where a guy shot two people robbing his neighbors house in the back, and was heralded as a hero. Of course, that was Texas, and they are a bunch of simpletons who really get off on the idea of killing people for any reason.

You're an idiot. I would love to have a neighbor like that guy are you kidding? You know maybe stealing is you know... fucking WRONG and against the law in the first place and if you're willing to break the law and put yourself into that position you're risking getting shot at by people so fuck those two pieces of shit who died.
 

Zargon

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Well, big difference between owning one, and carrying it. Lots of people have one in the house somewhere, but not as many keep one loaded and ready, or on them. Still, we do seem a bit skewed from the general statistics.

roughly 40% own one in America
roughly 5% carry one in America

My glock is loaded but not hot to trot in my nightstand with my LED flashlight and a spare mag.

the sound of racking it should deter 99% of would be troublemakers

this is about 3 miles(horrib section 8 hood) from my house, across the street from a friend I have been telling to move, for over a year.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/co...oking-fatal-shooting-during-home-invasion.htm

I guess if you dont have a gun, take the robbers and shoot him with it
 
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