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CTweak

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DAM you need to reread your June 15 WT from last year. You will find out all the factions of blood you are 'allowed' to take.

Not that you can think for yourself without waiting for 'mama' (WTBTS) to tell you what you are allowed to think.

Don't forget that the recent WT article that told you 'mature christains must not harbor private thoughts or interpretations of the bible'. Your not even allowed to think for yourself. I pity you. I pray you wake up and get un-brainwashed someday.

Oh, I know a LOT about it. I was raised in that wacko religion. I got out pretty much un-scathed. But I know MANY who did not. I'm glad your mom speaks to your sister. That's rare in that religion. She ignores her religion, but I'm glad she does.

And on the blood thing. YOU do not know what you are speaking of. The WTBTS is constantly changing what factions that they 'allow'. Just like at one point they did not allow organ transplants. Then they got 'new light' and said you can get a transplant. I'm sure that the people who died BEFORE the ban was lifted are SO glad that it was lifted.
 

DAM

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wtf? I have not picked up a WT or A in about 8 years, thanks for letting me know, Ill keep my eye open if I see it in my moms house, when I visit her in like 5 months.


Lets see, I do have my own interpretation of things, and please do not pray for me, thats something that I do not do and hope that no one does for me.



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DAM

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Oh, I know a LOT about it. I was raised in that wacko religion. I got out pretty much un-scathed.
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I am glad you told me that, if not I would have not noticed.




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Alienwho

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<< I agree. I read some about Mormonism on that site, too. Wow. Pretty scary. I can't believe the Olympics are actually being held there. Bunch of polygamist weirdos. Reading that article sure made me glad that Utah didn't get more congressional seats after the last census. I don't think I want them influencing law in my country, even though Orrin Hatch is a bad ass. >>


Way to make yourself look like a dumbass, dumbass. Why don't you try to educate yourself a little before you spew out all this sh!t. Why don't you come to Utah for the olympics and see what it's really like before you start slamming on something that you have absolutely no knowledge about.

That comment is like me saying that every single person in the south is an inbred redneck shotgun toting hick because i've never been here but I heard all about it so it must be true.
 

d33pt

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so THAT'S what those ppl giving me watchtower booklets are.. great.. i'll make sure to never open my door to them again
 

Jingoh

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I think that people's imaginations have run wild, they believe what a "friend
of a friend of cousin" told them, and/or they just happen to know some really
whacked people. (There are whackos in every religion...)

My Mother was a Jehovah's Witness when I was a kid. She left on her own, didn't
relocate or go into hiding or anything... and well, she still had all of the same JW
friends after she left that she had while she was "in". Just about 1/2 of her family
were and are JW's and not a one of them "shunned" her, stopped talking to her, or
anything of that type. Friends of our family are JW's, that have been friends of our
family for the past 30 years or more, before and after my Mother left their place of
worship.

The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" comes from the idea that they are bearing a
witness, proclaiming the "truth" as they see it, in the One True God's name. To them,
"God" is more of a title, not a name. Kind of like the President is a title. But there may
be many "President's" (President of the Rotary Club, President of the United States,
etc etc.) so specifying that they are Jehovah's Witnesses tells exactly who they are
witnessing for. (Jehovah is a English-made word, I think the more exact and proper name
is Yahweh, the important parts being that the JHVH and YHWH parts of those words
are transliterations of the Holy name that is most often translated LORD and/or God
in the modern Bible).

They do believe in Jesus and hold him in the highest position NEXT to God the Father.
God the Father (Jehovah) holds highest rank and was never created, He has always been
and always will be. Jesus is believed to be his first created Son, the One that Jehovah is
handling all of his affairs with the world through. Jesus is the only Mediator between God the
Father and humans.

The Holy Spirit, to them, is the power of God's "hand", his "active force" that he uses to do his
will. To them, it is not another person in a "Triune" Godhead. They don't believe in a Trinity, they
take the views of the Jews or historic Hebrews in the fact that they believe in a singular God. The
difference is they believe the Messiah (Jesus) did come (and died for our sins, and was resurrected
to Heavenly life) and that he will return (with power and that he will restore the Earth to it's original
perfection and be the ruler of it and glorify God the Father in the process).

The Holiday issues resolve mostly around pagan things. If you research, as I would imagine a few of
you have, the origins of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc etc... you will find in them that most of them
were originally celebrations to pagan Gods/Godesses/nature etc. The JW's take the example of the
Israelites that waited at the bottom of the mountain for Moses' return with the Commandments of God.
When Moses returned, he found that the people had taken and made a golden Calf (an image of one of
the Egptian gods) and were calling it Jehovah and worshipping it. (and they were severely punished for it)
So, they take this lesson and try not to take pagan worship and try to turn it into something acceptible
to their God.

The blood transfusion thing, they hold to scripture that says it is a sin to eat blood. Blood is very
symbolic in the Bible and represents life/washing away of sins/etc. So they abstain from eating blood
and take this to mean any intake of it, including transfusion. (the example being, if the commandment
from God was to not eat Beer, but you thought you would get around it by having a Beer transfusion, they
think you would be mistaken.) LOL

Anyways, I just know a lot about JW's because I have family/friends that are and/or were JW's. I think
that you can learn something about how other's think by actually talking with someone that knows, not
by listening to rumor mongering. I've heard the weirdest things before about JW's. I've been told that they
worship the Devil, that they are communists, that don't believe Jesus ever existed, etc. etc. All wrong and
weird stuff.

And for those that say they know of people who's lives were ruined by leaving this religion. All I can say is
that I know very devout Catholic families that would more or less quit associating with family members that
married out of the Catholic faith or changed religions. And some devout Jews are the same. And so are some
Baptists. It takes all kinds.

Personally, I don't belong to any organized religion. But I think a lot of them are interesting as far as the human
psyche involved.
 

CTweak

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What you post is true to a point Jingoh. But it doesn't change the fact that the religion is basically a cult. There's no two ways about it. A very well disguised cult.



<< The Holiday issues resolve mostly around pagan things. If you research, as I would imagine a few of you have, the origins of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc etc... you will find in them that most of them were originally celebrations to pagan Gods/Godesses/nature etc. >>



Yea. So does the names of the days of the week, months, etc. So does wedding rings. So do lots of things. But they pick and choose things just so they'll stand out and be different from 'the world' Makes the JW feel special, like they are above 'the world'. Gives them easy things to point to to say "See we're different from anyone else".

The blood thing is just plain evil. The average JW does not understand what he can and cannot take as far as blood factions go. People are dying over this one. And it's not an individual choice. If they find out you took blood you're kicked out. End of story. And the sad thing is they are mis-applying that scripture. And even worse is IF they were wanting to abide by the letter of the law so to speak, and eat/take NO blood, they would not eat meat, cause ALL meat has SOME blood in it. So again, people are DYING over a stupid policy some old men thought up just to make their religion appear different.

It's all about money in the end anyway, just like ALL religions.
 

CTweak

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Oh, and if you don't think it's about money, ask yourself why JUST ONE of their MANY corporations is showing 951 billion dollars in assets. That's tax free $$ there to.
 

Grunt03

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According to the US Government the JW's are considered a Cult.
What I have read, they were started by a Highschool drop out .
They beleave in recruitment. In order to get in good standings with the church
you must recruit possible members. If you checked really hard you will find that
they have the highest attendance of Asian's.

This is only what I have found out through my research while in North Carliona
and now California.
 

littlelilith

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I know a few Jehovah's Witnesses. 3-4 maybe.

People have pretty much covered what they believe regarding heaven/hell/life after death, jesus, things like that, so I'll just say what I've noticed from being around these people.

2 of them [males] don't make any big deal about the Pledge of Alliegance. They just stand without doing anything else or saying it (which is what everyone else does, actually). There is a rule at my school that the only way someone can be allowed to stay seated during the Pledge is if they are a Jehovah's Witness and they can prove it somehow (ie. have a religious authority or their parents or someone contact the school). Otherwise you can be suspended for insubordination. :disgust: They don't celebrate any holidays or birthdays or anything, though they don't seem to mind being involved in christmas-y things at school at all.

The one [a female] doesn't stand during the pledge, and refuses to be involved in anything christmas-y. She's in one of my classes, which is a music/performing class, and when we do christmas music (pretty much from mid-october when we start rehearsing it, through late december) she won't play. She sits out. She has mentioned before that her parents have told her that when she turns 18, she can still live with them if she 'recruits' (I forget what their term for it is) people door-to-door. Otherwise, they'll kick her out and disown her. :Q

So how strictly they adhere to certain things, and how far they go regarding certain beliefs/traditions depend on the individuals. Like any other religion, really.
 

CTweak

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littlelilith: What you say is very true. Some JWs are much more 'zealous' than others. I am finding that over the past few years there are more and more JWs who are basically just 'going through the motions' just to stay in their established social environment. (Menaing 'not rocking the boat') But they do pretty much what they feel is right/wrong. I actually think this is a good thing since it shows more and more of them are thinking for themselves. But it also means that many of them are not behaving like 'proper' JWs would

I do feel sorry for that 18 year old girl who will be forced to keep working as free slave labor selling Watchtower/Awake mags instead of getting an advanced education. Maybe she'll be coragous enough to stricke out on her own and go to college/etc. But it wure makes it hard when your parents yank the support rug out from under you ...! Sucks.
 

Jingoh

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I'm not going to disagree with what anyone says regarding JW's being a
cult. However, I'd just point out that the rules that are imposed by a certain
faith often look too "restrictive" to those on the outside. I've met very devout
Baptists that couldn't go see a movie, couldn't attend or participate in a
school dance, etc. Catholics have been labelled cultists for following a
person's infallible interpretation of the Bible (the Pope's), or for praying to
Saints and uplifting the mother of Jesus to almost Goddess status. So the
summary of all of this, to me, is that all religions have their "zealots" and
those that just belong in the core of a certain idealogy. Some JW's may
follow ALL of the doctrines of their religion and some don't. Some Catholics
may follow ALL of the doctrines of their religion and some don't, etc. etc.
( I know not all Catholics refuse to use birth control... even though the Pope
says they should, right?)

I've been around JW's and I've been around other religions and I personally
tend to think for myself. I'm not afraid to hear what any of them think.
It's not like they have some kind of "voodoo" and are going to recruit me
against my will. All religions have some good points and some bad points.
If there is a God, I'm sure he'll set them all straight at some point in time.

 

xaigi

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I agree. I read some about Mormonism on that site, too. Wow. Pretty scary. I can't
believe the Olympics are actually being held there. Bunch of polygamist weirdos.
Reading that article sure made me glad that Utah didn't get more congressional
seats after the last census. I don't think I want them influencing law in my country,
even though Orrin Hatch is a bad ass.


Which is why bigoted websites are dangerous to the non-critical thinker.
 
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