About Joe the Plumber

[sandorski]

It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

Yeah, it was amazing how fast the state gov't worked to dig up dirt on Joe...eh? Now only if all departments worked that fast on things they were supposed to be doing instead of using their positions for partisan dirt digging...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski
It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

Yeah, it was amazing how fast the state gov't worked to dig up dirt on Joe...eh? Now only if all departments worked that fast on things they were supposed to be doing instead of using their positions for partisan dirt digging...

Dirt digging happens to everyone.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I hate to be contrary Matt but I live in the same area and I never saw any bumper stickers like that. In fact I rarely saw any bumper stickers that supported the McCain Ticket unless it was next the the Jesus Fish Bumper Sticker. Most of those I know here in MA are working class like that dude and that Joe the Plumber Stick didn't resonate with them at all.

Red, there must be a pretty massive disconnect then between our two towns, as mine was rife with McCain/Palin yard signs prior to the election...though bumper stickers were on the rare side.

I have seen a few plumbers trucks with that sticker out and about....but haven't talked to any of them personally, but like you most of the people I know are working class and ironically most of them are pretty republican/conservative

Hmkm, most of the ones I knew were Hillary supporters and at first were totally against Obama but after McCain picked Plain and especially after the debates they came on board with Obama. I never got the sense they liked McCain, mostly due to their disgust with Bush and then with his erratic behavior. I'm talking about Irish and Italian Catholics who weren't really comfortable with a Black Man as their leader at the beginning of the campaign.

 

[Dari]

Isn't it amazing how many Liberal transplants there are compared to zero conservative transplants? Shows that one group is, literally, making progress while the other is sitting on their fucking hands. In four years the Republican candidate may even be campaigning heavily in Utah:laugh:.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski
It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

Yeah, it was amazing how fast the state gov't worked to dig up dirt on Joe...eh? Now only if all departments worked that fast on things they were supposed to be doing instead of using their positions for partisan dirt digging...

Dirt digging happens to everyone.

Yeah, illegally using state time, employees, and power/access to dig dirt happens to everyone... :roll:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski
It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

Yeah, it was amazing how fast the state gov't worked to dig up dirt on Joe...eh? Now only if all departments worked that fast on things they were supposed to be doing instead of using their positions for partisan dirt digging...

Dirt digging happens to everyone.

Yeah, illegally using state time, employees, and power/access to dig dirt happens to everyone... :roll:

Waaaa, the info comes from somewhere. Doesn't matter much where.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski
It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

Yeah, it was amazing how fast the state gov't worked to dig up dirt on Joe...eh? Now only if all departments worked that fast on things they were supposed to be doing instead of using their positions for partisan dirt digging...

Dirt digging happens to everyone.

Yeah, illegally using state time, employees, and power/access to dig dirt happens to everyone... :roll:

Waaaa, the info comes from somewhere. Doesn't matter much where.

wow... just wow... yeah, I guess illegally obtaining information doesn't matter much since it has to come from somewhere...right? People like you make me sick. There is ZERO reason to support these people's abuse of their position to dig dirt on a guy who asked a question of "the messiah".

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sandorski
It had some traction at first, but quickly turned into a liability(like the next day) when details about him began getting publicized. Then he started opening his mouth about other stuff and he became a serious problem.

Yeah, it was amazing how fast the state gov't worked to dig up dirt on Joe...eh? Now only if all departments worked that fast on things they were supposed to be doing instead of using their positions for partisan dirt digging...

Dirt digging happens to everyone.

Yeah, illegally using state time, employees, and power/access to dig dirt happens to everyone... :roll:

Waaaa, the info comes from somewhere. Doesn't matter much where.

wow... just wow... yeah, I guess illegally obtaining information doesn't matter much since it has to come from somewhere...right? People like you make me sick. There is ZERO reason to support these people's abuse of their position to dig dirt on a guy who asked a question of "the messiah".

Ya ya ya. Where do you think "Dirt" comes from? What about Obama's Aunt? Where's your faux outrage there?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
[poow wiwwle joe]

Give me a break. Joe wanted the spotlight and he got it. He asked for and deserves to be mocked and ridiculed. (And even if people shouldn't have looked up his records it's not like being UNlicensed is some sort of secret.)

 

[db]

It's over. Move on.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

wow... just wow... yeah, I guess illegally obtaining information doesn't matter much since it has to come from somewhere...right? People like you make me sick. There is ZERO reason to support these people's abuse of their position to dig dirt on a guy who asked a question of "the messiah".

Someone REAL Americans might have the same doubts and sick feelings about your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents as they mined through everyone's e-mail and journeys around the web. :thumbsdown: :|

Spare us the faux outrage. :roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

wow... just wow... yeah, I guess illegally obtaining information doesn't matter much since it has to come from somewhere...right? People like you make me sick. There is ZERO reason to support these people's abuse of their position to dig dirt on a guy who asked a question of "the messiah".

Someone REAL Americans might have the same doubts and sick feelings about your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents as they mined through everyone's e-mail and journeys around the web. :thumbsdown: :|

Spare us the faux outrage. :roll:

How did I know you'd pop out from under your bridge to come in with the same old bile about Bush...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
[poow wiwwle joe]

Give me a break. Joe wanted the spotlight and he got it. He asked for and deserves to be mocked and ridiculed. (And even if people shouldn't have looked up his records it's not like being UNlicensed is some sort of secret.)

Uhh... where did I suggest he couldn't be questioned? What I posted was about the abuse of state positions to dig dirt on the guy. Bitch suspended for abuse of position.

 

[Siddhartha]

This thread is not about the guy who asked Mr Obama the question about how his tax policies would affect him

I was asking about the concept of Joe the Plumber. The blue collar, craftsman small business owner that he was supposed to represent. Mr McCain and the Republicans said they were getting traction with the voters by talking abou x the craftsman small business owner.

To the people who have expressed displeasure at the subject of the thread. Why did you click this thread if you did not want to read it?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hmkm, most of the ones I knew were Hillary supporters and at first were totally against Obama but after McCain picked Plain and especially after the debates they came on board with Obama. I never got the sense they liked McCain, mostly due to their disgust with Bush and then with his erratic behavior. I'm talking about Irish and Italian Catholics who weren't really comfortable with a Black Man as their leader at the beginning of the campaign.

Hey Red, I am really not much into the "community" here so I don't know anyone in my neighborhood outside of my complex, however when whenever we would drive and walk around I saw alot of McCain/Palin signs untill the very end...more than I ever expected, and most of the people who I work with were also McCain Palin fans, even a few that I presumed would not be...but my company as a whole is more liberal than conservative, maybe it was just my department.

My mother is a big part of the italian community on the south shore and according to her many of her friends also were republican supporters...but that is going on her word so who knows.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Whether it was accidental or planned, "Joe the plumber" was a put up job. Nothing about him was real, from his real name to his real job, to his real financial situation. Once the catch phrase took root, he was all about a possible book deal, a recording contract and anything else he and his handlers could pimp in an attempt to extend his fifteen minutes.

He got some air time, and, like Palin, once the public saw through his facade, he was more of a drag on the ticket than a boost.

There's lingering talk that some want to run him with Palin in 2012. They could bill them as Dumb and Plumber.

That is why I keep coming back here. That is pure comedy gold. If you didn't rip that from someone, you need to write that down and send that to Leno today.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

McCain used the visage of Joe the Plumber as the American Dream. It is the ideal that nothing is out of reach for us. All of us can do better in our lives, perhaps buying our boss's business, or getting an additional degree. By using Joe the Plumber, John McCain was trying to tell us that Obama wants to tax the American Dream: If we do well, make more money, then we are going to be punished.

But, it also proves that McCain and his campaign staff did not understand the American Dream. He missed the part of the American Dream that says that as we become more prosperous, we have additional responsibilities, one of which is to pay more taxes as we get into the higher tax brackets in our proggressive tax system. We have a greater responsibility to take care of this great nation so that persons who have not achieved the American Dream are lifted up (so to speak).

McCain never understood this. He saw this as wealth redistribution when in actuality it is merely leveling the playing field to a small (very small) degree. For example, a part of our taxes goes toward education. Our education system makes it possible for everyone to have the chance at the American Dream. This is not a "give away." This simply makes our society better. You can't have public schools without taxes. This is not a socialistic idea.

Joe the Plumber was an empty symbol for the American Dream. In reality, Joe fell well short of the symbol that McCain tried to create - not licensed as a plumber, owes taxes, etc.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
McCain used the visage of Joe the Plumber as the American Dream. It is the ideal that nothing is out of reach for us. All of us can do better in our lives, perhaps buying our boss's business, or getting an additional degree. By using Joe the Plumber, John McCain was trying to tell us that Obama wants to tax the American Dream: If we do well, make more money, then we are going to be punished.

But, it also proves that McCain and his campaign staff did not understand the American Dream. He missed the part of the American Dream that says that as we become more prosperous, we have additional responsibilities, one of which is to pay more taxes as we get into the higher tax brackets in our proggressive tax system. We have a greater responsibility to take care of this great nation so that persons who have not achieved the American Dream are lifted up (so to speak).

McCain never understood this. He saw this as wealth redistribution when in actuality it is merely leveling the playing field to a small (very small) degree. For example, a part of our taxes goes toward education. Our education system makes it possible for everyone to have the chance at the American Dream. This is not a "give away." This simply makes our society better. You can't have public schools without taxes. This is not a socialistic idea.

Joe the Plumber was an empty symbol for the American Dream. In reality, Joe fell well short of the symbol that McCain tried to create - not licensed as a plumber, owes taxes, etc.

American dream != progressive taxes. Just because we have a progressive system does not mean it's part of the American dream as you seem to be suggesting. And no, not everyone agrees with your liberal BS about prosperity = more responsibility via taxation by the gov't. While people do have a moral responsibility to care / show mercy on others - who are you to use the gov't to force your level of morality(love this one since the libs always try to claim the Conservatives force morality on people) on everyone via taxation. It may be YOUR american dream(and the dream of other libs) to tax everyone more and more but it's not the dream of everyone.
Also, using education is retarded - most places it's paid for by local property taxes - not a progressive tax on labor.

silly libs always crack me up...

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
McCain used the visage of Joe the Plumber as the American Dream. It is the ideal that nothing is out of reach for us. All of us can do better in our lives, perhaps buying our boss's business, or getting an additional degree. By using Joe the Plumber, John McCain was trying to tell us that Obama wants to tax the American Dream: If we do well, make more money, then we are going to be punished.

But, it also proves that McCain and his campaign staff did not understand the American Dream. He missed the part of the American Dream that says that as we become more prosperous, we have additional responsibilities, one of which is to pay more taxes as we get into the higher tax brackets in our proggressive tax system. We have a greater responsibility to take care of this great nation so that persons who have not achieved the American Dream are lifted up (so to speak).

McCain never understood this. He saw this as wealth redistribution when in actuality it is merely leveling the playing field to a small (very small) degree. For example, a part of our taxes goes toward education. Our education system makes it possible for everyone to have the chance at the American Dream. This is not a "give away." This simply makes our society better. You can't have public schools without taxes. This is not a socialistic idea.

Joe the Plumber was an empty symbol for the American Dream. In reality, Joe fell well short of the symbol that McCain tried to create - not licensed as a plumber, owes taxes, etc.

American dream != progressive taxes. Just because we have a progressive system does not mean it's part of the American dream as you seem to be suggesting. And no, not everyone agrees with your liberal BS about prosperity = more responsibility via taxation by the gov't. While people do have a moral responsibility to care / show mercy on others - who are you to use the gov't to force your level of morality(love this one since the libs always try to claim the Conservatives force morality on people) on everyone via taxation. It may be YOUR american dream(and the dream of other libs) to tax everyone more and more but it's not the dream of everyone.
Also, using education is retarded - most places it's paid for by local property taxes - not a progressive tax on labor.

silly libs always crack me up...

my American dream is for douchebags like you to leave this great country.

 

[conehead433]

All I know is that I don't like part of my taxes going to people like Joe The Plumber, who don't even know what they're talking about, and have the ridiculous notion that part of their free money is going to be taxed somehow. Couldn't this idiot disappear into the woodwark and be forgotten. Please?

 

[MikeMike]

my father, a manager of 2 plumbing supply stores in ohio, and salesman as well, did not like the Joe thing, my father is very conservative, but he did not like him at all.

 

[shurato]

Didn't my tax money support Joe the Plumber when he was on welfare? The Republicans could have easily just let this douchebag die out but they are the ones who used him as some platform to stand on during the campaign. How intelligent to pick a tax evading, welfare leeching unlicensed plumber who also believes the election of Obama means the death of Israel as their everyday average joe icon. This is just another example of how out of touch the right was this go around in the election.

I come from immigrant parents with a middle school education who couldn't speak a lick of english when they came to this country. They work 6-7 days a week for 12+ hours and they still do for the past 20 some odd years to live the American Dream and provide for their family. Joe the plumber's life is not the american fuckin dream people. Wake up times have changed. Can we please stop talking about this attention whore already. The douche even got owned on Fox news.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

American dream != progressive taxes. Just because we have a progressive system does not mean it's part of the American dream as you seem to be suggesting. And no, not everyone agrees with your liberal BS about prosperity = more responsibility via taxation by the gov't. While people do have a moral responsibility to care / show mercy on others - who are you to use the gov't to force your level of morality(love this one since the libs always try to claim the Conservatives force morality on people) on everyone via taxation. It may be YOUR american dream(and the dream of other libs) to tax everyone more and more but it's not the dream of everyone.
Also, using education is retarded - most places it's paid for by local property taxes - not a progressive tax on labor.

silly libs always crack me up...

How cute, a Phony "go shopping, entitlement" conservative who blames his and the country's shortcomings on "the libs". Quit whining about your taxes. You think you can live in this great country and be entitled to pay nothing. I have been taxed 35% on my wages under the Bush administration. I am well off though. I'm part of "the rich" you "go shopping" conservatives like to "rally behind". It took a lot of hard work to grow my business and I am now reaping the rewards of being fortunate to live in this great country. If Obama goes through with what he planed, I will be taxed 39.6% on my income. Guess what: after paying my taxes I am still very well off.

My taxes buy you and me civilization and if some of that money goes to an unfortunate American which allows him or her to better themselves, so be it. You don't like our tax system, get the fuck out. Insted of feeling entitled to live here and not give back, why don't you better yourself. This country is full of upportunity to make money. Quit bitching about your "boogyman of ills" and get out and live your life. You "victimolgy conservatives" blameing a phantom boogyman ("the libs") for the country problems "always crack me up"

 

[Pandaren]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
American dream != progressive taxes. Just because we have a progressive system does not mean it's part of the American dream as you seem to be suggesting. And no, not everyone agrees with your liberal BS about prosperity = more responsibility via taxation by the gov't. While people do have a moral responsibility to care / show mercy on others - who are you to use the gov't to force your level of morality(love this one since the libs always try to claim the Conservatives force morality on people) on everyone via taxation. It may be YOUR american dream(and the dream of other libs) to tax everyone more and more but it's not the dream of everyone.
Also, using education is retarded - most places it's paid for by local property taxes - not a progressive tax on labor.

silly libs always crack me up...

It's pretty simple if you ask me.

Poor people will beat your sorry ass and take your stuff if there is no societal framework that gives them a chance to legally better themselves.

Taxes are insurance against loss. The wealthy are paying higher taxes because they have more "stuff" that needs to be insured. I count myself among those who are fairly well off, and I recognize that I have a lot at stake that needs to be protected against enemies, foreign and domestic.