About to pull the plug and get a 760 Geforce, any precaution?

[k3n]

My current card is an 8800GT 512Mb, that I have had for over 6 years, since 2008. It is by the far the biggest bottleneck on my PC.

Relevant PC spec:
-256GB ssd with read/write speeds of over 400 MB/s; been going strong for over a year now.
-AMD Phenom II x6 1055t; one pin is missing (located on the perimeter/edge), and because of that I need to stick to the default clock rate for 2 reasons. One reason: raising the voltage, at one time, prevented the computer from posting for a short while after multiple restarts. 2nd reason: I can raise the speed from 2.8 to 3.5GHz, but the motherboard resets the settings after while. This CPU and the motherboard will be the bottleneck of my system, if I do get the new video card, i think. My next CPU will most likely be an intel, as i dislike pins.
-12GB 1600MHz ddr3 ram; gotten good reviews for overclocking.

Windows 7 index rating:, 7.9 (SSD), 7.6 (CPU and RAM), and 6.9 (graphics card).

For me the ultimate downside about getting a new card, is that it's pretty much for just one game, Project Cars, a racing simulator, which I have funded and can play it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLMscFP5ec


Another downside in getting this card, is that my budget was $160 (amd 6850? around late 2012) then $200 (amd 7850 early 2013). I went ahead and got a 7850, and it ran sloppily in Project Cars (PCARS). It seemed PCARS was extremely favorable to nVIDIA cards according to a German website that had chart, of the game's performance with different popular video cards of 2012.
Project CARS Build 447 - Radeon HD 7850 vs GeForce GTX 660: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4OcforH9Hk

I ended up returning the 7850, which was stupid, because I could have sold it on eBay and the "free games" that came with it separately, and could have made a profit .

For me I want to stay away from Radeon cards, because even since 2003, I keep reading about how bad and unstable their drivers are and refusal to embrace or be lenient to user made/open source drivers. Even with the 7850 2GB i got, I had to use "beta drivers" to play Project cars with minimal artifacts or issues, which blows IMO.

So my main question is, at around a $200 budget, is the 760 geforce 2GB still a formidable card, that I can expect to be versatile 3 years from now?

I know that the new 800 series are supposed to come out this fall, but at the same time Project Cars has been in development, since early-mid 2011, and I don't want to risk being a guinea pig for potentially unstable new video cards.

 

[MeldarthX]

best in that budget honestly is R270-R270X which is OC 7870; or with different sales R280 and sometimes R280X which walks over the 760. Ummm; drivers are pretty much equal; as to get normally the fastest drivers at any given time will be betas from either Nvidia or AMD.

Honestly - a lot has changed; Project Cars is buggy at best of times......I've seen horror stories on both sides as quality of code is not great at all.

You can get much faster card on AMD for your budget but if you're only going to play Project Cars and want a slower card ......760 is going to be the best you can get in that price range. Honestly I'd snag a R280; OC which will put it past 680/770 speeds for less money and play a range of games faster.

Honestly - this is the card I'd get for price range....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202099

as the cheapest on newegg 760 is 239.99 with ten pound rebate; means after the rebates - its still 40 more dollars; slower and less ram.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127745

 

[96Firebird]

760 will be fine.

Do you mind buying used?

 

[Arkadrel]

You "could" wait until its actually released in november/december.

Then give it a month time to see if the game being out and driver optimisations dont fix the fact that this is a nvidia title and their drivers are optimised already for it, and AMDs drivers arnt.

I think you ll see performance go up for AMD cards after amd gets a chance to optimise for the game.

Also alot can change in 5 months or so.
Maybe the Dev's are doing optimisations for the game as we speak.

Hell in 5months time maybe theres new AMD & Nvidia GPU's out, and the prices on current market cards drop alot, so in waiting for the game to be released before buying a card, you end up getting more value out of your buy.

 

[Arkadrel]

Project CARS Build 447 - Radeon HD 7850 vs GeForce GTX 660: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4OcforH9Hk

That was more than 1 year ago,
on a 7850 stock card vs a factory oced 660.

and the game is still about 4-5 months away from release.

I know that the new 800 series are supposed to come out this fall, but at the same time Project Cars has been in development, since early-mid 2011, and I don't want to risk being a guinea pig for potentially unstable new video cards.

I bet the newer cards will get the most attention for driver optimsations ect.
They ll probably be the most stable of the bunch.

Could be a mistake not to wait for them.

 

[ocre]

OP said he wasnt interested in an AMD card. But there is post after post trying to push off AMD (which sadly isnt uncommon here)

With his restrictions, seems he has already narrowed down his options. His mind is already set.

Get the GTX760

I have the MSI 760 TF and overclocks extremely well. Out of the box boost has it about as fast as a 670. Overclocked results are closer to the 680. the best part is my ram, i stopped at 7400mhz which is 1400mhz overclock. I may can squeeze more out of it, just have very little time for tinkering these days

 

[Arkadrel]

Im just saying he might not even need a upg if its a driver issue that ll be fixed once the game is released and AMD can optimise drivers for it.

I didnt once try to sell him a card.

Im saying this is a nvidia game, and nvidia likely have their drivers optimised for it already while amd dont. Which will change once the game is released.

Its not even a open beta right?
So what is the reason of buying a card now, for a game you cannot play yet?

 

[Deders]

The 760 should give you about 60frames per second if the 660 performance is anything to go by, but like some people say it might be worth waiting to see what the performance is like when the game comes out, or even a month after as that will be when AMD and Nvidia will definitely have optimised drivers for them.

 

[RussianSensation]

Since you are ONLY upgrading for this one game and a game that has been in development for a long time, the only logical decision here is to wait until it comes out as GPUs get faster and/or cheaper over time. Even if you do not want 800 series, they will push prices of 700 series lower as they are discontinued. if the game gets delayed, then you will have spent money and sat on the 760 for no reason while the GPU industry evolves.

 

[k3n]

Im just saying he might not even need a upg if its a driver issue that ll be fixed once the game is released and AMD can optimise drivers for it.

I didnt once try to sell him a card.

Im saying this is a nvidia game, and nvidia likely have their drivers optimised for it already while amd dont. Which will change once the game is released.

Its not even a open beta right?
So what is the reason of buying a card now, for a game you cannot play yet?

I state in my first post, that I funded/donated to the game developers, thus giving me access to play the game. New members/donors, haven't been allowed since around December 2012. F1 2012 by Codemasters is another similar game I have.

 

[Arkadrel]

Ahh...

Then yes you should pull the trigger and get a 760.
The game in its current state seems to favor nvidia due to driver optimisations, so right now its def. the better way to go.

Which is all that matters if you want to play the game now.

 

[Loser Gamer]

There most certainly is a precaution. I learned this from experience with my own $$.

I am currently underclocking a 760 that came factory OC. With the factory OC it runs hot or trips up on itself and will eventually shut the pc down. Cooling isn't an issue since I am in a ac home and the side of the case is off with fans.

I'll never buy a factory OC card again. OEM designs the cards to run at a reliable spec and then companies OC them as a marketing technique to get you to buy theirs because its 'faster.'

The card runs perfect underclocked but who wants to do that?

 

[Deders]

There most certainly is a precaution. I learned this from experience with my own $$.

I am currently underclocking a 760 that came factory OC. With the factory OC it runs hot or trips up on itself and will eventually shut the pc down. Cooling isn't an issue since I am in a ac home and the side of the case is off with fans.

I'll never buy a factory OC card again. OEM designs the cards to run at a reliable spec and then companies OC them as a marketing technique to get you to buy theirs because its 'faster.'

The card runs perfect underclocked but who wants to do that?

You should return the card if it doesn't perform like it should out of the box

 

[f1sherman]

You should return the card if it doesn't perform like it should out of the box

he says it runs hot but cooling isn't an issue

 

[Tweak155]

best in that budget honestly is R270-R270X which is OC 7870; or with different sales R280 and sometimes R280X which walks over the 760. Ummm; drivers are pretty much equal; as to get normally the fastest drivers at any given time will be betas from either Nvidia or AMD.

Honestly - a lot has changed; Project Cars is buggy at best of times......I've seen horror stories on both sides as quality of code is not great at all.

You can get much faster card on AMD for your budget but if you're only going to play Project Cars and want a slower card ......760 is going to be the best you can get in that price range. Honestly I'd snag a R280; OC which will put it past 680/770 speeds for less money and play a range of games faster.

Honestly - this is the card I'd get for price range....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202099

as the cheapest on newegg 760 is 239.99 with ten pound rebate; means after the rebates - its still 40 more dollars; slower and less ram.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127745

You are very honest.

 

[Loser Gamer]

he says it runs hot but cooling isn't an issue

You should see how fast it shuts down with the case side on. What I am saying is no matter how cool I make the thing the factory OC will either over heat it or just shut down because it's overclocked too much. Heat plays a role but I don't have a stuffy case. This thing is just too temperamental overclocked and should have been stopped at QC.

 

[ocre]

wait
are u using anything to monitor temps or is it a hunch?

what are your temps and at what point does it shut down? what is shutting it down? Your gpu temps? how? Is it Your bios protection for cpu temps?
is it giving an alarm? restarting? with or without warning? Is it shutting off or rebooting?

please give more details

 

[Loser Gamer]

wait
are u using anything to monitor temps or is it a hunch?

what are your temps and at what point does it shut down? what is shutting it down? Your gpu temps? how? Is it Your bios protection for cpu temps?
is it giving an alarm? restarting? with or without warning? Is it shutting off or rebooting?

please give more details

I didn't record all that when I was in trouble. The problem is if I turn off MSI Afterburner and the underclock just to check all these temps I will get locked out for hours. Yes the PC will blue screen then it usually won't turn on for hours.

But now I have it underclocked -13 core, -17 mem, and top temp recorded while gaming was 75c. I haven't crashed yet with this underclock

I also have the fans pushed to 70 percent. It has two fans on the card.

I didn't always have this problem. It started about 6 months into ownership. But when I got the card new I couldn't play BF4 without artifacts. SO I underclocked it just a touch and it worked. Then turned off the MSI afterburner and it never artifact again in Bf4 so nothing really makes sense other than I have a crap card.

 

[RussianSensation]

I went ahead and got a 7850, and it ran sloppily in Project Cars (PCARS).

The game has underwent many updates since 2012.

To get 60 fps on VHQ, you need nothing less than 780 SLI.

That's just half the battle. It will own your CPU too as you'll get 50% of the performance of a modern CPU:

I suggest you wait until the game is released and get a new CPU and GPU.

 

[Zardnok]

When was the last time you cleaned out your system? It could be a dust buildup on any number of components that the increased heat load from your GPU could be pushing it over the top. Even if you leave your system under-clocked, I would attack the case and CPU cooler with a vacuum or some canned air.

As for OP, enjoy your new GTX760. You can always SLi later if you decide you need more performance.

 

[MentalIlness]

As for OP, enjoy your new GTX760. You can always SLi later if you decide you need more performance.

Indeed.

 

[k3n]

Okay, I got the eVGA 760 Geforce Superclocked (300+ reviews on newegg.com)
While playing a 720p movie. I got a temporary black screen and a message on my 24 inch monitor (1920x1200 resolution) stating something similar to "no DVI video connection". The movie's audio was still working, and after 3-5 seconds the screen was no longer black.

I'm using the the latest stable drivers from nVidia, 337.88 whql.

I read somewhere that a setting in nVidia control panel can help rid of this issue, but I'm not sure what setting it is in the latest stable version. Also C1E state was disabled in the motherboard's BIOS.

 

[TeknoBug]

I have a 760 and it's OK, a 280X for a little less will blow it away.

Oh... nevermind, you failed. :whiste:

Warning issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

 

[ocre]

Okay, I got the eVGA 760 Geforce Superclocked (300+ reviews on newegg.com)
While playing a 720p movie. I got a temporary black screen and a message on my 24 inch monitor (1920x1200 resolution) stating something similar to "no DVI video connection". The movie's audio was still working, and after 3-5 seconds the screen was no longer black.

I'm using the the latest stable drivers from nVidia, 337.88 whql.

I read somewhere that a setting in nVidia control panel can help rid of this issue, but I'm not sure what setting it is in the latest stable version. Also C1E state was disabled in the motherboard's BIOS.

Did the movie show up?

sounds like settings or SW issue.
Is your igp disabled in the bios? What are you using to view the movie? Is it outputting at a different resolution than your native? Could it be your monitor taking a minute to recognize the change in resolution? Can you watch it upscaled to 1080 so that it doesnt change resolutions? Your video player has preferences. keep digging around with those things in mind. Could be something real simple

 

[ocre]

I have a 760 and it's OK, a 280X for a little less will blow it away.

Oh... nevermind, you failed. :whiste:

yeah, i think that is a little uncalled for.

Your not only putting him down, your also flat out lying

the 280x is more expensive than the 760. Its $299-$369-> a completely different bracket!!!!

The gtx 760 is most commonly $239 these days. There are models that are $219 with mir. You would think a card that has an average selling price of 100$ more to be faster.

The 280x is not such a way better buy. You can always spend more money for a faster card. ALWAYS