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crashtech

Lifer
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I won't miss you. The rest of you have a nice day, I've said all I care to. But really guys, take a chill pill and give one to Sotomayor while you're at it, you could really imagine her hyperventilating while banging out her dissent.

See you next time, hopefully not too soon.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I won't miss you. The rest of you have a nice day, I've said all I care to. But really guys, take a chill pill and give one to Sotomayor while you're at it, you could really imagine her hyperventilating while banging out her dissent.

See you next time, hopefully not too soon.
I notice you did not engage with any substantive points.
 

APU_Fusion

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I notice you did not engage with any substantive points.
He won’t because he is ignorant clown. He answered no questions and now is attacking “liberal” justice. Seems clear he is magat concern troll, willfully ignorant or just dumb. Notice he didn’t say anything about the ethics of Thomas and Alito ruling on case with clear conflicts. Interesting that is.
 
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sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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These are the best law experts in the US? Anything the US President orders anyone in government to do is by definition official business. Biden should remove the justices that decided this due to gross incompetence.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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He won’t because he is ignorant clown. He answered no questions and now is attacking “liberal” justice. Seems clear he is magat concern troll, willfully ignorant or just dumb. Notice he didn’t say anything about the ethics of Thomas and Alito ruling on case with clear conflicts. Interesting that is.
Yes, it seems like the exchange was basically:

C: 'the ruling doesn't say what you claim'
Everyone else: 'yes it does because of A, B, and C. If you disagree, why?'
C: 'you're just mad at Trump'
 
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MtnMan

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Jul 27, 2004
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Attention Joe Biden!

SCOTUS just gave you the green light on placing that call to Seal Team 6.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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These are the best law experts in the US? Anything the US President orders anyone in government to do is by definition official business. Biden should remove the justices that decided this due to gross incompetence.
Biden can’t remove federal judges/ justices. That power is reserved for congress by impeachment…and the (R)s ain’t never gonna impeach one of their own.
 

APU_Fusion

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Biden can’t remove federal judges/ justices. That power is reserved for congress by impeachment…and the (R)s ain’t never gonna impeach one of their own.
He can absolutely remove federal judges/justices now. General Fascist, I order you to take out these justices with military strike.

Official act is done. Immune. Not allowed to determine intent of act. The argument by Trump lawyers was literally a President can order seam team six to asssinate political rival and be immune from any repercussions.

Congress moves to impeach President for action. President removes opposition party to Guantanamo as terrorists and traitors. Official act. Immune. Not allowed to determine intent of act.

How is anyone not understanding the insanity and unamerican nature of this ruling?
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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No, technically the court just said the president can do anything he wants now. All he has to do is say it was related to his official capacity in upholding national security.
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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"They were a danger to national security, so under my powers as commander in chief as spelled out in the constitution, I had the threat to our great nation eliminated."
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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He can absolutely remove federal judges/justices now. General Fascist, I order you to take out these justices with military strike.

Official act is done. Immune. Not allowed to determine intent of act. The argument by Trump lawyers was literally a President can order seam team six to asssinate political rival and be immune from any repercussions.

Congress moves to impeach President for action. President removes opposition party to Guantanamo as terrorists and traitors. Official act. Immune. Not allowed to determine intent of act.

How is anyone not understanding the insanity and unamerican nature of this ruling?
Yeah, not sure what people aren’t getting here. He can now kill SCOTUS if they do things he doesn’t like. Congress tries to impeach him? Kill them too. Someone tries to run for president against you? Killed.

All 100% legal now.
 

fskimospy

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Basically the only remaining constraint on the president is if the military and/or federal law enforcement refuse to go along with his plan, which presumably means either a military coup or some sort of civil war.

That’s it. Everything else is up to the president as to if he wants to be a dictator or not.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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He can absolutely remove federal judges/justices now. General Fascist, I order you to take out these justices with military strike.

Official act is done. Immune. Not allowed to determine intent of act. The argument by Trump lawyers was literally a President can order seam team six to asssinate political rival and be immune from any repercussions.

Congress moves to impeach President for action. President removes opposition party to Guantanamo as terrorists and traitors. Official act. Immune. Not allowed to determine intent of act.

How is anyone not understanding the insanity and unamerican nature of this ruling?

OK, you’re right…anyone else joining me in this?

 
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OK, you’re right…anyone else joining me in this?

View attachment 102271
I refuse to succumb to lazy cynicism. Better things are possible: we just have to keep voting for it, pressing our elected officials, and engaging with one another. It's a slog, but we shouldn't give up, because it isn't going to be the white men that the most severe consequences are going to fall on.
 

pauldun170

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No, technically the court just said the president can do anything he wants now. All he has to do is say it was related to his official capacity in upholding national security.
Not quite.
Thr argument they push is that in his official capacity as president, as defined by duties and whatever he is immune from prosecution.
So as president, telling his vice president to commit election fraud. Immune.
Telling state officials to commit election fraud. Not immune.

They toss out a lot of federalist touch Feely bullshit about the president should not have his feelings hurt because he has to be all Rambo and Thomas has some bull shit about special counsel and whatever.
The big wtf is the outer rim crap.

I new those fuckers secreted rim jobs at those billionaire orgy yacht outings.

Still reading....
Going to be interesting how Barret evolves as a Justice over time
 
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Not quite.
Thr argument they push is that in his official capacity as president, as defined by duties and whatever he is immune from prosecution.
So as president, telling his vice president to commit election fraud. Immune.
Telling state officials to commit election fraud. Not immune.

They toss out a lot of federalist touch Feely bullshit about the president should not have his feelings hurt because he has to be all Rambo and Thomas has some bull shit about special counsel and whatever.
The big wtf is the outer rim crap.

I new those fuckers secreted rim jobs at those billionaire orgy yacht outings.

Still reading....
Going to be interesting how Barret evolves as a Justice over time
I think the justices are confusing Thomas Hobbes with the Founding Fathers, with a touch of the Nazi, Carl Schmitt (author of "The Problem of Parliamentary Democracy and believer of the idea that the executive must be able to act in the exception, even extra-legally), thrown in for good measure.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Dec 16, 2013
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Not quite.
Thr argument they push is that in his official capacity as president, as defined by duties and whatever he is immune from prosecution.
So as president, telling his vice president to commit election fraud. Immune.
Telling state officials to commit election fraud. Not immune.

They toss out a lot of federalist touch Feely bullshit about the president should not have his feelings hurt because he has to be all Rambo and Thomas has some bull shit about special counsel and whatever.
The big wtf is the outer rim crap.

I new those fuckers secreted rim jobs at those billionaire orgy yacht outings.

Still reading....
Going to be interesting how Barret evolves as a Justice over time
Again, the President can remove those state officials unwilling to do his/her bidding to Guantanamo as terrorists and a danger to America. Official act. Immune. Can’t ask about intent.
 
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pauldun170

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Again, the President can remove those state officials unwilling to do his/her bidding to Guantanamo as terrorists and a danger to America. Official act. Immune. Can’t ask about intent.
So, what you are saying is that you did not read the ruling and don't know that the president cannot remove state election officials.
 

fskimospy

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So, what you are saying is that you did not read the ruling and don't know that the president cannot remove state election officials.
Looks like you’re the one who didn’t read the decision. He can have them arrested or killed at his leisure.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
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I'm referencing Barretts's comments on page 63-64

What page do you recommend
That’s a concurrence and is not controlling. I would read the actual opinion. It is abundantly clear that the president is immune for all official acts and it expressly states communicating with other executive branch officials are official acts. For example, it mentioned that asking Pence to commit a coup was an official act.

So it could be true that talking to Arizona officials would not be an official act and he could be prosecuted, but ordering the military to kill them or for federal law enforcement to arrest them would be, and for those he would be immune.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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gothuevos

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That’s a concurrence and is not controlling. I would read the actual opinion. It is abundantly clear that the president is immune for all official acts and it expressly states communicating with other executive branch officials are official acts. For example, it mentioned that asking Pence to commit a coup was an official act.

So it could be true that talking to Arizona officials would not be an official act and he could be prosecuted, but ordering the military to kill them or for federal law enforcement to arrest them would be, and for those he would be immune.

Depends. Official (or even lawful) use of Presidential power can be used to abuse power, sure. But these are functions of the Presidency as spelled out by the Constitution.

But ordering an extrajudicial killing of an American citizen does not fall under any Constitutionally described Presidential duty.

The problem is will the eventual appeal to the SCOTUS about said act be ruled as an official Presidential duty? We know how they will rule for him.

It's a bit of nuance but I think it matters.
 
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