Abu Dhabi Fund Said to Be Exploring Sale of Globalfoundries

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-arm-said-to-explore-sale-of-globalfoundries

Abu Dhabi’s investment arm is considering a sale of all or part of chipmaker Globalfoundries Inc. as the emirate explores asset disposals amid a slump in crude oil, people familiar with the matter said.

Sovereign fund Mubadala Development Co. has held early talks with potential acquirers, the people said, asking not to be identified as the information is private. No final decision has been made and discussions could still fall apart, the people said. A transaction could value the business at $15 billion to $20 billion, the people said.
 

ShintaiDK

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So they gave up on the crappy foundry that is the joke of the industry. Not surprised.

I remember when some people thought this would be nothing but a sugar daddy with endless money.
 

NTMBK

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Someone should buy them and AMD, put the band back together

EDIT: Seriously though, I wonder how this will work with the IBM "sale" of their fabs to GloFo. They won't be too happy, I suspect.
 

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But who on Earth will buy Global Flounderings?

This is one of those companies that is unsellable, anyone who buys it at this stage of the semiconductor game runs the risk of bankruptcy. I laugh at the $15 billion estimate.

Only possible buyer might be Chinese government (via proxy, indirect support to their semiconductor companies). That, so they can gain some IP knowledge for their own homegrown semiconductor companies. Problem with this is lot of the real IP knowhow is with upstream suppliers (like AMSL), so you gain only a limited amount of commerically exploitable knowledge buying out someone like GloFlo.

The other thing is that entire semiconductor business is heading towards a wall anyway, even Intel is struggling with shrinks. And the next breakthrough will have to come with some entirely new type of material and manufacturing, so does it make any sense to spend $15 on GloFlo now?

Call me crazy but I'd rather gamble all that money on R&D of some entirely unproven and new manufacturing techniques.

If anyone pays $15 billion for Gloflo, it would only prove their idiocy. And that there is too much cash in the market.
 

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CHADBOGA

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Remember when Abu Dhabi were preparing for the time when oil ran out? LOL
 
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GloFo has about $6 billion in annual revenues? That's a lot better than I would have expected...
 

Abwx

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GloFo has about $6 billion in annual revenues? That's a lot better than I would have expected...

So all thoses past years you were fuding around this firm, not that their owners deserve praises, personaly i think that they lack the necessary competence to manage GF.
 

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But who on Earth will buy Global Flounderings?

This is one of those companies that is unsellable, anyone who buys it at this stage of the semiconductor game runs the risk of bankruptcy. I laugh at the $15 billion estimate.

Only possible buyer might be Chinese government (via proxy, indirect support to their semiconductor companies). That, so they can gain some IP knowledge for their own homegrown semiconductor companies. Problem with this is lot of the real IP knowhow is with upstream suppliers (like AMSL), so you gain only a limited amount of commerically exploitable knowledge buying out someone like GloFlo.

The other thing is that entire semiconductor business is heading towards a wall anyway, even Intel is struggling with shrinks. And the next breakthrough will have to come with some entirely new type of material and manufacturing, so does it make any sense to spend $15 on GloFlo now?

Call me crazy but I'd rather gamble all that money on R&D of some entirely unproven and new manufacturing techniques.

If anyone pays $15 billion for Gloflo, it would only prove their idiocy. And that there is too much cash in the market.
Chinese, they want to get rid of Intel and USA once at all, but they need AMD, the fabs and the tech too in order to be stronger.
 

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But who on Earth will buy Global Flounderings?

This is one of those companies that is unsellable, anyone who buys it at this stage of the semiconductor game runs the risk of bankruptcy. I laugh at the $15 billion estimate.

Only possible buyer might be Chinese government (via proxy, indirect support to their semiconductor companies). That, so they can gain some IP knowledge for their own homegrown semiconductor companies. Problem with this is lot of the real IP knowhow is with upstream suppliers (like AMSL), so you gain only a limited amount of commerically exploitable knowledge buying out someone like GloFlo.

The other thing is that entire semiconductor business is heading towards a wall anyway, even Intel is struggling with shrinks. And the next breakthrough will have to come with some entirely new type of material and manufacturing, so does it make any sense to spend $15 on GloFlo now?

Call me crazy but I'd rather gamble all that money on R&D of some entirely unproven and new manufacturing techniques.

If anyone pays $15 billion for Gloflo, it would only prove their idiocy. And that there is too much cash in the market.

There are a few, chinese like already mentioned in the thread, but also fabless companies. Apple comes into my mind there. Years ago no one would've thought that Apple might build their own architecture Cpus and now they do it pretty well. Now They even needed to change to Dual-Sourcing because one supplier wasn't enough to deliver the wafers apple needs. Apple could invest large money into research, keep a few external customers like AMD, as they provide graphics for macs and use it for their needs.
 

ShintaiDK

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Apple wouldn't touch GloFo, neither would anyone else with half a brain. Remember GloFo was to deliver 30% of A9. Ended up with 0% because they couldn't deliver.

The only ones that will touch this disaster will be some fund with too much money that they can borrow for ~0% rates.

The arabs are only selling because its a sinkhole for money.
 

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Gartner says $4.4b in 2014:

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3027717

Given that that's down from 2013 I'd be really surprised if they hit $6b for 2015.

For comparison, AMD's revenue was $5.5b in 2014 and we all know how well they're doing.

IIRC the IBM foundry revenues were around 1.5 or 1.7 billion last year. That deal alone would allow them to reach the aforementioned 6 billion figure, albeit at the expense of absorbing the 700 million operating loss IBM foundry business was also raking.

I think Globalfoundries is a very risky acquisition. The value they have comes almost exclusively from their fab assets and they will need someone with very deep pockets to either continue to fund the company until 7nm or some M&A wizard to break down the company and sell the assets to multiple interested parties.

Guys, grab the popcorn, it will be fun to watch.
 

DrMrLordX

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The arabs are only selling because its a sinkhole for money.

I don't know if that's exactly true. The article linked by the OP said:

Abu Dhabi is reviewing state-owned companies, including Mubadala, for potential asset sales, as the slump in crude oil pressures the emirate’s finances, people familiar with the matter said last month. The emirate had a long-term plan to build a chip factory there to diversify its economy away from a dependence on oil.

Mubadala might be forced to liquidate regardless of whether or not GF is a money pit. The irony is that GF actually has a chance to do some good work thanks to the IBM fab/talent acquisition and the opportunity to succeed in rolling out 14nm LPP in 2016. GF has been a liability ever since 28nm (no SOI), but now they have a chance to improve their situation. And now Mubadala is being forced to shop around their share.
 

ShintaiDK

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I don't know if that's exactly true. The article linked by the OP said:



Mubadala might be forced to liquidate regardless of whether or not GF is a money pit. The irony is that GF actually has a chance to do some good work thanks to the IBM fab/talent acquisition and the opportunity to succeed in rolling out 14nm LPP in 2016. GF has been a liability ever since 28nm (no SOI), but now they have a chance to improve their situation. And now Mubadala is being forced to shop around their share.

They have plenty of time left. They are selling all the bad businesses first. A good example is the part they got from IBM. That one alone lost 700M$. GloFo is a nightmare.

GloFo is pretty much chanceless. The arabs also knows this. There is no future in terms of creating real money for GloFo.

Not sure why people ever had any faith in this, besides due to attachment to AMD. Its an equally terrible run company without any prospect.
 
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dark zero

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The Chinese will buy it... They need it to improve their Loongson tech and having the required fabs to produce and needs also AMD as the x86 perfect compiler. Also AMD's GPU tech is the only competent tech who is cheap.

They need VIA too due their hybrid x86 and ARM tech and add MIPS to the equation or ditch x86 and put MIPS on there.

In few words, China is starting to adquire companies in order to become independant, so there is not crazy thing there...

Finally the arabs are incompetent compared to China or Taiwan... So put GloFo on good hand and....
 

DrMrLordX

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A good example is the part they got from IBM. That one alone lost 700M$. GloFo is a nightmare.

From a technical point of few, IBM's 22nm SOI process is far better than anything GF has used for market-ready products. It's expensive, but at least it works (unlike 28nm SOI from GF or 20nm from GF). 22FDX also shows some promise.
 

Phynaz

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Samsung will pick them up, fire the locals and staff them with South Koreans.
 

krumme

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The Chinese will buy it... They need it to improve their Loongson tech and having the required fabs to produce and needs also AMD as the x86 perfect compiler. Also AMD's GPU tech is the only competent tech who is cheap.

They need VIA too due their hybrid x86 and ARM tech and add MIPS to the equation or ditch x86 and put MIPS on there.

In few words, China is starting to adquire companies in order to become independant, so there is not crazy thing there...

Finally the arabs are incompetent compared to China or Taiwan... So put GloFo on good hand and....
Gf will never be good business with mubadala as owners. The hillarious thing is its always like you are looking for potential in the portfolio but here the potential is on the owner side.
Then mubadala have bought an asset extremely difficult to sell. They sure dont know their own (in)competence.

Gf/amd is a clear example that this region is going down the drain. They add less than nothing. Its a disaster on all levels.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Samsung will pick them up, fire the locals and staff them with South Koreans.

Interesting idea, considering the fact that GF's current future promise is essentially licensed from Samsung anyway (with . . . modifications, no doubt). I'm not sure Samsung is keen to pick up GF and all the old IBM fab assets, when Samsung couldn't be buggered to buy off that stuff from IBM in the first place. It seems probable that IBM made such an offer at some point.
 

ShintaiDK

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Samsung will pick them up, fire the locals and staff them with South Koreans.

I think there are too many skeletons in the closet. If Samsung buys them they buy them for the customers. But why buy those when you can take.
 

ShintaiDK

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From a technical point of few, IBM's 22nm SOI process is far better than anything GF has used for market-ready products. It's expensive, but at least it works (unlike 28nm SOI from GF or 20nm from GF). 22FDX also shows some promise.

Who uses 22 SOI again?
 
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