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Darrin420

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Have you ever noticed how, on an OEM machine like a Dell or HP, that the Key Codes on the COA stickers on the cases are different from the Key Codes on the installed versions of XP? On Dells that have the hidden recovery partition, you don't need the Key when you reload them back to "as new". It automatically uses the Key that it shipped with. Seems to me, that leaves you with an "extra" OEM Key. I've used Dell OEM XP Home CDs to load XP on HP & Compaq PCs, using the Key Codes on their stickers. In those situations, it was because of failed hard drives, so I couldn't use Belarc Advisor or Magical Jelly Bean to get the original Key Codes, and the owners didn't have their recovery disks, etc. Recently I had a friend who'd peeled the sticker off of his HP to put it away for "safekeeping". Naturally, when he needed it, he couldn't remember where he put it. So we used my handy-dandy Dell OEM XP Home CD (a burned SP2 slipstreamed version) and the Key Code from the sticker on the case of his girlfriend's Dell to reload his HP. After it was done, I attempted to activate it online, and it failed. So I called the Microsoft phone number, went through their rigamarole of reading them the code that came up when activation failed, and filling in the new code that they gave me. Surprisingly, it was simple & painless. So my first question is: can it be that all OEM XP machines shipped with TWO valid OEM Key Codes, the one that's installed, and the one that's on the sticker? My second question is: if you have to have XP installed to use the Upgrade version of Vista, does it have to be an ACTIVATED installation of XP, or can it just be sitting there, freshly loaded from an OEM XP CD?
 

DestruyaUR

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Just in case people missed this,

No More Clean Installs Using Upgrade Discs With Windows Vista

Microsoft has cut out this process for Windows Vista and forces users who buy an upgrade CD to actually have a valid install of Windows XP Home or Professional on their machines before upgrading.

For most users, this wouldn't be a problem. They more than likely have an existing copy of Windows XP installed and would have no problems upgrading to Windows Vista with an upgrade CD.

But for do-it-yourselfers who buy a Vista upgrade CD and think that they can easily perform a clean install whenever they feel free are going to run into the road block. In this case, the road block means that users wanting to perform a clean install with a Vista upgrade CD will have to:

1) Install a genuine copy of Windows XP Home/Professional
2) Activate Windows XP through Microsoft
3) Upgrade to Windows Vista from within Windows XP


I now REALLY, REALLY hope Vista tanks for MS, and I'm a diehard PC user. The abject failure of the Zune, DRM woes, and now this. Three strikes, Billy.
 

thehstrybean

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Destruy has it right. I installed the Business Upgrade on my PC (we got it at work and I was the tester), and it was NONBOOTABLE. You HAVE to start the install from within the OS...
 

ntdz

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I can't believe they make you install and validate xp before you can install this vista upgrade. Good thing I didn't verify yet so I can cancel this order.
 

Diogenes2

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Guess, those of us who bought the upgrade will know soon enough ...

Meanwhile, I have heard over and over about having to activate XP through Microsoft, but having reinstalled it several times on my system, with all the hardware changes I make, I have never seen anything about activating ..

Anyone know about this ?
 

duzytata

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Originally posted by: Shawn
Someone just informed me in the OS forum that YOU MUST INSTALL XP FIRST!

It will not allow you to put in a previous version install cd to verify like you could before.

Therefore this is not a good deal.

Not if you have a legitimate copy of windows xp. So it's going to take you an extra 45mins for the install... If you are like most people, you'll do it once and never have to do it again. If you change out your hardware a lot or like to reinstall every 6-12 months then make an image of the install right after you have personalized it. That will save you hours of time and a good amount of cash.
 

Diogenes2

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Originally posted by: Shawn
Someone just informed me in the OS forum that YOU MUST INSTALL XP FIRST!

It will not allow you to put in a previous version install cd to verify like you could before.

Therefore this is not a good deal.
You mean as opposed to paying 2x - 3x for the non-upgrade version ?

What would be a good deal ?

 

imported_Bee

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"UPGRADE" is definitely not the version to get since BOTH upgrade and OEM versions require a preinstalled OS to work. Basically the only version that allows you to do a fresh, clean install is the FULL VERSION (= full price). I guess I have to wait for a good deal on the full version.

ref.
 

Fox5

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Anyone know if this (or any vista version) would allow you to upgrade from the Beta?
 

Diogenes2

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Originally posted by: Bee
"UPGRADE" is definitely not the version to get since BOTH upgrade and OEM versions require a preinstalled OS to work. Basically the only version that allows you to do a fresh, clean install is the FULL VERSION (= full price). I guess I have to wait for a good deal on the full version.

ref.

The reference to OEM is with reguard to subsequent hardware changes ..
OEM by definition would preclude a previous OS being installed..

The OEM pricing looks pretty attractive ..

http://promotions.newegg.com/msvista/Vista_Products.html
 

kelleybp

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For all who got in on this these HAVE SHIPPED...talked to CampusTech rep today and he said ALL of the windows vista orders have gone out...they're slow on sending email ship confirmations but they have in fact all gone out.
 

cheapherk

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Originally posted by: pastorjay
Originally posted by: goofy4ever
3. Unlike previous Windows upgrades, Upgrade version REQUIRES that you have the old operation system INSTALLED on your system. For example, if you are installing a new HDD and upgrading from XP to Vista (upg version), you first need to install XP then upgrade.

I would like to see the proof of this. I highly doubt that MS is changing the way they do the upgrades. Links?

I just found this article concerning the upgrade version
 

cubeless

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on the ms website it sez u have to do a clean install to go from w2k or xphome... it sez there's a util on the disk to copy your data to another drive... i guess i'll see how it works when campustech ships me my vista upgrade...
 

starwars7

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Originally posted by: cheapherk
Originally posted by: pastorjay
Originally posted by: goofy4ever
3. Unlike previous Windows upgrades, Upgrade version REQUIRES that you have the old operation system INSTALLED on your system. For example, if you are installing a new HDD and upgrading from XP to Vista (upg version), you first need to install XP then upgrade.

I would like to see the proof of this. I highly doubt that MS is changing the way they do the upgrades. Links?

I just found this article concerning the upgrade version

When they say on step 8. "Enter your Product Key when prompted." Is that the Vista Product key that you are entering there?

 

Darrin420

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Oct 18, 2005
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1. Boot with the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD.

2. Click "Install Now."

3. Do not enter a Product Key When prompted.

4. When prompted, select the Vista product edition that you do have.

6. Install Vista normally.

7. Once the install is complete, restart the DVD-based Setup from within Windows Vista. Perform an in-place upgrade.

8. Enter your Product Key when prompted.



If that's all there is to it, it sounds pretty simple. Basically, you just install Vista twice, once by booting from the DVD, using no key, then when that's done, you do it once more from within Vista, loading it over itself, entering the key this time. Odd that they set it up so that it'll install without having any key code at all entered during that first runthrough. Haven't recent Windows versions all crapped out their installation if you didn't enter a key? That "3. Do not enter a Product Key When prompted" must be the semi-secret kink this time around. There have always been ways to do clean installs with Upgrade Versions, Microsoft just likes to take advantage of the uninformed, and they scare 'em into thinking that they need to step up & (over)pay for the "Fool" Version....
 

rockyct

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Originally posted by: DestruyaUR
...I now REALLY, REALLY hope Vista tanks for MS, and I'm a diehard PC user. The abject failure of the Zune, DRM woes, and now this. Three strikes, Billy.

I was in the anti-Microsoft camp for a while. I refused to upgrade to XP (until I actually got it for $40 from Microsoft). I ragged on Pocket PCs and the original Xbox, but I've realized something. Microsoft keeps trying until they get it right, or until their main competitor stumbles. Palm is just a shell of the former company and the PS3 is going to take a couple years to catch up to the Xbox 360. After a service pack or two, Vista will end up as a solid replacement to XP and after a couple of updates, the Zune will be a real competitor to the iPod. Microsoft has a history of slow starts, so why resort to fanboism? Go ahead and make rational criticism like a lot of people in this thread, but please stop making over the top comments. Vista will not tank and I'd almost be willing to bet that you'll be using it within 18 months.

Anyway, sorry for the thread hijack, but it is my thread, so I guess it's ok.
 
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