No such thing. To believe in any fairy tale pretty much demands having your head too far up your ass to understand facts, reason and logic. There are no fair-minded believers, only those who claim to be fair minded.
Funny thing is, you can say the same thing about unbelievers.
How about we all decide to believe what we decide to believe, and stop worrying about convincing others of our beliefs? People who want to believe will continue to believe, people who don't will do the same. And maybe someday we'll find out who was right, without having to resort to shaking of heads, gnashing of teeth, or calling of names.
Sounds closer to Deist.
No, the funny thing is, you WANT to be able to say that about unbelievers. You can't, but you're too dumb to understand why not.
Believers inherited their beliefs. Mommy and Daddy told them some comforting fairy tales and kiddie believed.
The non-believers started the same way. We were told the fairy tales. And unlike the believers, we grew brains and examined what we were being told. We looked at the fairy tales, we saw where they came from, we looked at the atrocities committed in the name of the invisible man in the sky, we understood the science that disproved the myths and we made an informed, intelligent choice among different alternatives.
You were told one thing and just blindly accepted it. We were the ones that had a mind open enough to not follow obvious bullshit.
I do not believe that the universe just went "boom". It had to have a purpose to do so, this is where I believe God came in. You can argue that the world was created with a "big bang" and that is totally acceptable to me. Side note: I still believe that we know very little about how the earth was created so this sweeping theory thrust down on everyone is a little bothering.
The same can be said for evolution. In teaching, evolution is a very plausible theory and must be considered. The point that God placed a "soul" into our bodies is the major difference that seems to bother people.
The original premise of this thread is based only on some 'sects' that are screwed up as far as I am concerned. I see CS Lewis was mentioned, but there are pieces of the Angelican/Episcopal dogma that are missing. We believe everyone can go to heaven. CS Lewis actually incorporated this in the last of the Narnia series, The Last Battle. I do not have the text, but the cliffs are that a worshiper of evil is in heaven. He is disconnected from Peter, Lucy, Susan, and Edmund and the rest of the crew. They ask Aslan why. The answer, even though he did everything in evil's name, his goals and deeds where what God asks. His thoughts and deeds were good. He was therefore there, but in his own 'realm'. It has been a few years since I have read it, so just cliffnotes.
Have you even read the Bible? That's not biblical at all.
Watch this lecture by Dr. Lawrence Krauss about the origins of the universe. It's extremely interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
You'll notice Richard Dawkins right away and Dr. Krauss leaves little doubt he's an atheist, however, if you can look past that just listen to the science itself he's talking about and how awe inspiring it is.
It's impossible to learn stuff like this then go back to the bible and be impressed by stories of a burning bush..or Jesus casting demons into a herd of pigs. All of the "amazing" biblical stories are very yawn-worthy compared to science.
Yes, which one? Before or after the big edit sponsored by Rome, or the one when translating to English?
It's impossible to learn stuff like this then go back to the bible and be impressed by stories of a burning bush..or Jesus casting demons into a herd of pigs. All of the "amazing" biblical stories are very yawn-worthy compared to science.
The bible you are referring to is the King James version. Which is an English translation of a Justinian edited set of material. According to the New Testament, you are incorrect. I don't ever remember Jesus saying that if you do not believe in God, you are going to hell.Don't get me wrong, I'm arguing against the religion, but the bible that's existed for thousands of years in its current form says you're wrong.
This thread was great on page 1. I can't believe what you guys have been arguing since. Rolo's goddamn location is "Under a bridge in a cardboard box." think about it for 2 seconds.
And obviously they are named the Pillars of Creation because, well duh, the hand of Jesus crafted them. Or was it God? Or that spirit guy? Maybe the whole trinity?
Actually, obviously the Gods did it.
So say we all.
The bible you are referring to is the King James version. Which is an English translation of a Justinian edited set of material. According to the New Testament, you are incorrect. I don't ever remember Jesus saying that if you do not believe in God, you are going to hell.
You can misquote/quote about any piece in any section to justify about anything. Especially in the King James. There are two accounts of creation in it. God killed all of the first born children in Egypt (that seem to be a theme in the old testament), yet no killing unborn? Someone will tell you that a man shall not lay with another man while eating shrimp (those are unclean in the same section - as are women during that special time). You can try to justify a bunch of screwed up things if you try hard enough. That was the goal of Jesus, "you're doing it wrong." Just follow the 2 commandments.
//Wish I remember where my dad told me the part about "with old age, your grasshopper will surely shrivel" is.
Wonder if he charges a toll.
And obviously they are named the Pillars of Creation because, well duh, the hand of Jesus crafted them. Or was it God? Or that spirit guy? Maybe the whole trinity?
Actually, obviously the Gods did it.
So say we all.
Googling....... the bible has some great parts in it.
check ezekiel 23...
You have my attention.Ezekiel 23
Two Adulterous Sisters
Brb, tissue.1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.
You go, girl! Hawt.She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.
Ah, even the people of biblical times had to deal with the horrors of pointy elbows.When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her nakedness, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister.
Wonder if he charges a toll.
And obviously they are named the Pillars of Creation because, well duh, the hand of Jesus crafted them. Or was it God? Or that spirit guy? Maybe the whole trinity?
Actually, obviously the Gods did it.
So say we all.
Googling....
You have my attention.
Brb, tissue.
Yeah, go LORD! Make your "word" come onto them again!
You go, girl! Hawt.
......wait, in her youth? Is dat sum CP?
Ok, I'm converted. I can take the whole loving Jesus thing, but I don't want any of Jesus' lovin', and I definitely want none of God's "word" on me.
Ah, even the people of biblical times had to deal with the horrors of pointy elbows.