According to Christianity, people who don't accept Jesus as their savior go to Hell?

[FoBoT]

Flame on, OT, flame on. After 9 years here I guess I can take it.

 

[AreaCode707]

what blows my mind is you can live a life of evil. rape, murder whatever you decide but you accept Jesus into your life 10 minutes before you die you get to go to heaven. Yet a man who lives a good life. helping those over himself, giving all that he can and always looking out for others is condemed to hell because he does not believe in jesus.

Quoting this because, as awful as it seems, I think this is a quite accurate perception of Christianity. It seems terrible from our perspective as people because we naturally seek justice, we want to see rewards and punishments meted out based on people's behavior. I believe that God has more mercy and grace than that, that he can forgive and extend mercy to everyone.

To my mind that makes Christianity LESS judgmental than the average religion/lack of religion, not more, even though that's not often the case in practice.

 

[AreaCode707]

Thanks FoBoT! Replying seriously to a troll thread though, I think I probably deserve the roasting I'm going to get.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Just making sure I got it right.

Atheists: Hell

Muslims: Hell

Buddhists: Hell

Hindus: Hell

etc.

Ban

/thread

 

[JS80]

Quoting this because, as awful as it seems, I think this is a quite accurate perception of Christianity. It seems terrible from our perspective as people because we naturally seek justice, we want to see rewards and punishments meted out based on people's behavior. I believe that God has more mercy and grace than that, that he can forgive and extend mercy to everyone.

To my mind that makes Christianity LESS judgmental than the average religion/lack of religion, not more, even though that's not often the case in practice.

Except in real life most rapists and murderers don't/won't "truly believe"

 

[Modular]

Some christians celebrate their fire and brimstone fetish by grouping everybody who isn't their specific denomination as being sent to hell and all that other fun stuff.

I think they can believe what they want to believe, but the concept of an "afterlife" just seems so impossible that the thought of it is beyond my comprehension. I don't think that most people really "believe" in any sort of afterlife, they just "really really wish" that there was one, and try to convince themselves the impossible is true, even though deep down, they really know the sad truth.

You act as if you know there isn't an afterlife. Have you died and come back? Cause I'd love to know how you're so certain.

Any way that you slice it, everything we believe, be it religious or science, is, at its true core, based on faith.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Why do so many judge religion by those who practice it? Jesus said that neither houses of worship or congregations were necessary for God's grace. There are assholes around the world, some of them say they believe in nothing that can't be measured. Some of them believe in God.

 

[JDawg1536]

No, that's not what they teach.

What about the people in tribes in the Amazon who are never exposed to God, Jesus, or Christianity? Since they lived in isolation I guess they are just SOL, right? I don't think so.

 

[JulesMaximus]

it depends on who you ask

"Christianity" isn't defined the same by everyone

So, who's right then?

 

[RoloMather]

So, who's right then?

The bible

 

[Kadarin]

According to Christianity, people who don't accept Jesus as their savior go to Hell?

Pretty much yes. Though it's really the crazy Evangelical fucknuts who get all fire and brimstone about it. Them's good God-fearing folk.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No, that's not what they teach.

What about the people in tribes in the Amazon who are never exposed to God, Jesus, or Christianity? Since they lived in isolation I guess they are just SOL, right? I don't think so.

God has many names. Something that most of the world's religions agree on. Jesus always spoke in parables. Just because someone has never heard of Jesus or the bible doesn't preclude them from receiving God's grace.

I'm sorry so many here have apparently been raped, beaten and, sodomized by individuals claiming to represent the one true religion but, in my faith, love and forgiveness come before anything else.

 

[Jeff7]

You act as if you know there isn't an afterlife. Have you died and come back? Cause I'd love to know how you're so certain.

Any way that you slice it, everything we believe, be it religious or science, is, at its true core, based on faith.

The scientific method: Time-tested and proven to work.
God has a get-out-of-science-free card though.


And if you want to go really far into faith and all that, you have to have faith that what your senses tell you is in fact a remote resemblance of reality. You need to have faith that you even truly exist.
Do I place that faith in the same category as religious faith? No, not at all.

 

[El Guaraguao]

God has many names. Something that most of the world's religions agree on. Jesus always spoke in parables. Just because someone has never heard of Jesus or the bible doesn't preclude them from receiving God's grace.

If what you're saying is true, what was the point of christian crusades?

 

[Jeff7]

If what you're saying is true, what was the point of christian crusades?

Or missionaries. Or Jehovah's Witnesses knocking at your door? Or fliers in the mail asking you to join the popular cult's local church?


What about people who existed before the idea of monotheism was ever invented?
What about people who existed before the idea of gods was ever invented?

 

[mjrpes3]

Jesus was pretty clear that you had to go through him to receive salvation from God. It is a stretching the interpretation quite a bit to suggest that when Jesus said "you must go through me" the "me" was actually just a metaphor for any religion that worshiped a monotheistic God or any person who professed faith in an absolute, benevolent being.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

If what you're saying is true, what was the point of christian crusades?

The Crusades were entirely political and for profit. They had nothing to do with religion other than using it as a tool.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

ATOT is a sad God-less place.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Jesus was pretty clear that you had to go through him to receive salvation from God. It is a stretching the interpretation quite a bit to suggest that when Jesus said "you must go through me" the "me" was actually just a metaphor for any religion that worshiped a monotheistic God or any person who professed faith in an absolute, benevolent being.

Jesus was a man. He was human. The 'me' was entirely spiritual. Is it really such a stretch? I guess that's why it's called a leap of faith.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Could some of the scientific peps tell me if there is no God why do we have a conscience? Or a inner voice that tells you something is wrong with what you're doing? Wouldn't that just get in the way of Darwinism? I mean if you just shit on someone to get what you want isn't that just what Darwinism is about? Why would you care? The animals don't care.

 

[waggy]

The Crusades were entirely political and for profit. They had nothing to do with religion other than using it as a tool.

whole that did play a large reason it was not the sole fact. Many believed they were going to spread the word of God and take back the holly land.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Not a single sinner can make it to heaven, since heaven is pure and must remain pure from sin. Humans sin all the time, so by definition, we're all going to hell.

BUT, God sent his son, to take our place (death) on the cross, and all our sins are forgiven. The ONLY thing we have to do is accept this, and we are forgiven, thus, can enter heaven.

Religion does not really matter here. If you have faith and accept that you're a sinner and that God forgave you, then you go to heaven. It's the beauty of it really... by nature, we sin, we can't help it.

Now let's just say, all this is not true and was all made up somehow, what harm did it do to you if you believed in it anyway? See, there is really nothing to lose here.

 

[AreaCode707]

Could some of the scientific peps tell me if there is no God why do we have a conscience? Or a inner voice that tells you something is wrong with what you're doing? Wouldn't that just get in the way of Darwinism? I mean if you just shit on someone to get what you want isn't that just what Darwinism is about? Why would you care? The animals don't care.

Conscience contributes to the overall good of a community, increasing the self-preservation of the individual and the individual's genetic line.

 

[Sadaiyappan]

I hate when Christians say that God doesn't care about Hindus. And I hate when they point out that India is a shitty third world country and they use that as proof that God doesn't care about Hindus.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The Crusades were entirely political and for profit. They had nothing to do with religion other than using it as a tool.

whole that did play a large reason it was not the sole fact. Many believed they were going to spread the word of God and take back the holly land.

Which is where the "using it as a tool" part comes in. Is the holly land at the north pole?