Active shooter in Colorado Springs

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jman19

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Anyone else notice that Michal1980 has said nothing against this attack? He must be in favor of this attack. Ditto Zorkorist. Oddly, Hilary & Sanders both came out and condemned the attack - Zorkorist asked us if we're drunk to support them.

Ironic since Zorkorist appears to be drunk when he goes on his post rampages, responding to himself.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Anyone else notice that Michal1980 has said nothing against this attack? He must be in favor of this attack. Ditto Zorkorist. Oddly, Hilary & Sanders both came out and condemned the attack - Zorkorist asked us if we're drunk to support them.

Of course not, mikey whines about Muslims and Zork, well I just pity his liver.
 
Jan 25, 2011
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Yes, it'd be interesting to explore where people stand on Fox News's liability in promoting a false campaign against planned parenthood. One which continues to be indisputably believed by many across the nation. Which this shooter obviously believed... and followed through on.

The "gotcha" videos aren't what they claimed to be, but did Fox ever retract those stories and issue apologies for them? Did they carefully present them in a way to help weasel out of any responsibility in cleaning up the mess that they promoted?

If they coach their stories with "claim" and "report to" and "may" before promoting, with great prominence, the false narrative, are they absolved of the consequences of broadcasting it? Maybe it's a legal way of getting out of trouble, but is it moral to lead people to false facts and false conclusions? To infer lies upon the population?

If not legal trouble, it's certainly moral trouble. Do our laws need to change to apply to such cases?

That's one big thing I love about the laws here. There is language specifically prohibiting "false or misleading" reporting on news programs.

A few years back a new channel, Sun TV tried to get those laws changed. It can best be described as a Fox analog. They wanted an addition to the language that prohibited false or misleading information of it was likely to cause harm.

Canadians rejected the idea swiftly and it was yanked. They went ahead with the channel anyway and it didn't make it to its second anniversary. Without misinformation and misleading they couldn't duplicate what Fox had down south.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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It's not so much a need for legislation but more so that the angry mob in the US loves this yellow journalism. Factual journalism might invite self-criticism.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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That's one big thing I love about the laws here. There is language specifically prohibiting "false or misleading" reporting on news programs.

A few years back a new channel, Sun TV tried to get those laws changed. It can best be described as a Fox analog. They wanted an addition to the language that prohibited false or misleading information of it was likely to cause harm.

Canadians rejected the idea swiftly and it was yanked. They went ahead with the channel anyway and it didn't make it to its second anniversary. Without misinformation and misleading they couldn't duplicate what Fox had down south.
That sounds entirely too reasonable for the United States.
 

Brian Stirling

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Feb 7, 2010
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This has nothing to do with Political views, and everything to do with Religious views.

-John


Then why aren't the left leaning Christians that also oppose abortion out there shooting up abortion centers?

Answer: they aren't being spoon fed a steady diet of hate on the issue of abortion.


There are Christians on the left and right that oppose abortion but ALL the guys that use violence on abortion centers and doctors are righties -- every single one of them! There is a nexus of religion AND politics that's at work here and until you guys own up to that and change your ways we will continue to have wack job righty terrorists shooting up abortion centers and leaving bombs at sporting complexes (Atlanta Olympic park bombing).

You guys talk the talk but when the talk turns to violence you pretend to know nothing about it -- again, bunch of pussies!


Brian
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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That's one big thing I love about the laws here. There is language specifically prohibiting "false or misleading" reporting on news programs.

A few years back a new channel, Sun TV tried to get those laws changed. It can best be described as a Fox analog. They wanted an addition to the language that prohibited false or misleading information of it was likely to cause harm.

Canadians rejected the idea swiftly and it was yanked. They went ahead with the channel anyway and it didn't make it to its second anniversary. Without misinformation and misleading they couldn't duplicate what Fox had down south.

That's an interesting concept. Who decides what is false or misleading? What are the criteria? What body arbitrates disputes and what are the consequences of uttering a misleading statement?

While it seems like a pretty straight forward idea, I could see it becoming a clusterfuck of biblical proportions in very short order.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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That's an interesting concept. Who decides what is false or misleading? What are the criteria? What body arbitrates disputes and what are the consequences of uttering a misleading statement?

While it seems like a pretty straight forward idea, I could see it becoming a clusterfuck of biblical proportions in very short order.

I'd imagine its the same as libel laws. If you say something you better be able to back it up with some evidence.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Then why aren't the left leaning Christians that also oppose abortion out there shooting up abortion centers?

Answer: they aren't being spoon fed a steady diet of hate on the issue of abortion.


There are Christians on the left and right that oppose abortion but ALL the guys that use violence on abortion centers and doctors are righties -- every single one of them! There is a nexus of religion AND politics that's at work here and until you guys own up to that and change your ways we will continue to have wack job righty terrorists shooting up abortion centers and leaving bombs at sporting complexes (Atlanta Olympic park bombing).

You guys talk the talk but when the talk turns to violence you pretend to know nothing about it -- again, bunch of pussies!


Brian
We have a keyboard tough guy in our midst, displaying all the stupidity endemic to the breed.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I'd imagine its the same as libel laws. If you say something you better be able to back it up with some evidence.

Did they definitively say it, or did they simply imply it?
The law is easily wormed around:

  1. "You hate women"
  2. "I hear you may hate women"
Both sentences convey the same impression but the first one is legal trouble waiting to happen. The second sentence lets you get away with it. Now take the second one and make it your lead story for a week or two. Do your viewers care about "may"?

Worse yet, when the facts fall apart once examined, did you give their retraction as much screen time and prominence as the original false info? Of course not. Maybe at 3am you run a 5 second segment on "opps, we bad". And no one knows.

Clearly the result is important, and if the impression is given that planned parenthood was committing crimes when the "proof" did not hold up... the damage is done. Should anything be done about that?
 

cubby1223

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May 24, 2004
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I stand by every word I wrote and I note with interest your failure to counter any of my points!

Brian

What is there to counter? You're issuing an ultimatum, change your ways or expect more violence.

If my choice is between (1) a few acts of violence among a very large population, or (2) thought police controlling our opinions, personally I choose against thought police.

You fail to understand the concept that people posting on this forum are individuals, independent of anyone else in this country. Who specifically is your ultimatum directed towards? That's your failing. You need to form a realistic post with realistic demands before anyone can properly counter your points.


To throw out a situation in reverse political leanings, nearly a year ago I think this happened, an officer was killed by someone riled up by the black lives matter rhetoric. And the same people in politics were playing the exact same game as now, just roles reversed. Are you going to condemn it? Are you going to change your ways? My cause is more important than this incident. This situation here is nothing new. Give it a week and it will be off the news reel forever, everyone on to their next new issue of outrage to insult others over.
 
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Jhhnn

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What is there to counter? You're issuing an ultimatum, change your ways or expect more violence.

If my choice is between (1) a few acts of violence among a very large population, or (2) thought police controlling our opinions, personally I choose against thought police.

You fail to understand the concept that people posting on this forum are individuals, independent of anyone else in this country. Who specifically is your ultimatum directed towards? That's your failing. You need to form a realistic post with realistic demands before anyone can properly counter your points.


To throw out a situation in reverse political leanings, nearly a year ago I think this happened, an officer was killed by someone riled up by the black lives matter rhetoric. And the same people in politics were playing the exact same game as now, just roles reversed. Are you going to condemn it?

If you can substantiate such an incident, I'll condemn it. Linky-linky.

Are you going to change your ways? My cause is more important than this incident. This situation here is nothing new. Give it a week and it will be off the news reel forever, everyone on to their next new issue of outrage to insult others over.

Your cause, your mission from God, is always more important, regardless of the carnage involved. And the incendiary rhetoric will continue to make nutjobs into murderers.

Be proud.
 

Brian Stirling

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What is there to counter? You're issuing an ultimatum, change your ways or expect more violence.

If my choice is between (1) a few acts of violence among a very large population, or (2) thought police controlling our opinions, personally I choose against thought police.

You fail to understand the concept that people posting on this forum are individuals, independent of anyone else in this country. Who specifically is your ultimatum directed towards? That's your failing. You need to form a realistic post with realistic demands before anyone can properly counter your points.


To throw out a situation in reverse political leanings, nearly a year ago I think this happened, an officer was killed by someone riled up by the black lives matter rhetoric. And the same people in politics were playing the exact same game as now, just roles reversed. Are you going to condemn it? Are you going to change your ways? My cause is more important than this incident. This situation here is nothing new. Give it a week and it will be off the news reel forever, everyone on to their next new issue of outrage to insult others over.


So what you're saying is the right need not stop firing up there base with the kind of rhetoric that drives some of them to kill. You know, there's this English guy that uses there freedom of speech to convince some of his followers to take up jihad -- look up a guy named Anjem Choudary.

It's not hard for you guys to point fingers at Choudary and make the link between Islamic clerics and Islamic terrorism, but you just can't accept the fact that there are American's on the far right that engage in the same brand of rhetoric and also hide behind the freedom of speech.

The flame throwing political and religious leaders on the far right are protected by the 1st amendment and I'm in 100% support of that right -- however, we must still hold people accountable for there hate speech and you guys refuse to do so.


Brian
 
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That's a very unusual move for this type of incident. The only thing I can think that would justify it is the private nature of PP and patient confidentiality. But even that seems a stretch.
 
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That's a very unusual move for this type of incident. The only thing I can think that would justify it is the private nature of PP and patient confidentiality. But even that seems a stretch.

Nothing unusual about it given the citizenry:
Colorado Springs: a playground for pro-life, pro-gun evangelical Christians
I was fully expecting them to shield this guy. Not for his sake, but everyone who his stink would rub off on. The DOJ needs to be handling this.
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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What is there to counter? You're issuing an ultimatum, change your ways or expect more violence.

If my choice is between (1) a few acts of violence among a very large population, or (2) thought police controlling our opinions, personally I choose against thought police.

You fail to understand the concept that people posting on this forum are individuals, independent of anyone else in this country. Who specifically is your ultimatum directed towards? That's your failing. You need to form a realistic post with realistic demands before anyone can properly counter your points.


To throw out a situation in reverse political leanings, nearly a year ago I think this happened, an officer was killed by someone riled up by the black lives matter rhetoric. And the same people in politics were playing the exact same game as now, just roles reversed. Are you going to condemn it? Are you going to change your ways? My cause is more important than this incident. This situation here is nothing new. Give it a week and it will be off the news reel forever, everyone on to their next new issue of outrage to insult others over.

Thank you for your brutal honesty! I wish more anti-abortion people would be like you and just step up and admit that they have no problem with innocents being wounded and killed in the name of their cause. Right now they are denying it has anything to do with their cause but at least you are embracing and accepting it as fact.

Your cause needs more people like you.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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What is there to counter? You're issuing an ultimatum, change your ways or expect more violence.

If my choice is between (1) a few acts of violence among a very large population, or (2) thought police controlling our opinions, personally I choose against thought police.

You fail to understand the concept that people posting on this forum are individuals, independent of anyone else in this country. Who specifically is your ultimatum directed towards? That's your failing. You need to form a realistic post with realistic demands before anyone can properly counter your points.


To throw out a situation in reverse political leanings, nearly a year ago I think this happened, an officer was killed by someone riled up by the black lives matter rhetoric. And the same people in politics were playing the exact same game as now, just roles reversed. Are you going to condemn it? Are you going to change your ways? My cause is more important than this incident. This situation here is nothing new. Give it a week and it will be off the news reel forever, everyone on to their next new issue of outrage to insult others over.
Well said, sir.

That said, I see no reason such terrorists should ever be taken alive. Every breath this man takes is an affront to civilization.

Thank you for your brutal honesty! I wish more anti-abortion people would be like you and just step up and admit that they have no problem with innocents being wounded and killed in the name of their cause. Right now they are denying it has anything to do with their cause but at least you are embracing and accepting it as fact.

Your cause needs more people like you.
That whooshing sound -

Nah, forget it. No way you could hear anything that far over your head.
 
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