Active shooter in Colorado Springs

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1prophet

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I don't know about Fox and the planed parenthood story, I never really followed it, just the outline. I never questioned it when I heard it though, a fetus isn't a person and has no rights, they're disposable, why wouldn't they be sold as any byproduct?
It's OK for people to believe that abortion is a bad thing, and it's OK if they want to push that issue. We decide the veracity of what they say based on our own bias. Fox isn't asking people to kill, they aren't portraying killers as hero's. An insane person reacting in an insane way isn't an indictment against Fox, it's not proof that those ideas should be curtailed.


Why shouldn't we blame anti-abortion conservatives, we want to blame video games and movies for violence, rock and roll music for suicide, rap for glorifying the gangsta lifestyle, religious texts for violence, pornography for rape, Porsche for killing Paul Walker, etc., etc.

In a litigious society were it's everyone else fault why should this be different?
 

Bitek

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Nothing unusual about it given the citizenry:
Colorado Springs: a playground for pro-life, pro-gun evangelical Christians
I was fully expecting them to shield this guy. Not for his sake, but everyone who his stink would rub off on. The DOJ needs to be handling this.

The Springs is an epicenter of conservative Christianity. Focus on the family had their headquarters there, and its been the base for many megachurch pastors (who incedently like to drive to Denver to cheat on their wives with male hookers...)

There is also the air force academy and Cheyenne mountain complex, so you get a weird mix of religiosity and military.
 

Bitek

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Sad to see the conservatives unable to condemn terrorism from the Christian right.

You read the rationalizations and can see what is going on in the Muslim world with their brand of religious conservative terrorism and the inability to condemn it.
 

FerrelGeek

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Do we have any credible evidence that he specifically killed this cop because of the cop's religious beliefs?

I'll be happy to condemn the actions of this murderous nutjob, because that's exactly what he is.

Well we know that one of the people he killed was a very religious cop.

Most of the victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslims.

Just a coincidence...


Brian
 
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TheSlamma

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Sad to see the conservatives unable to condemn terrorism from the Christian right.

You read the rationalizations and can see what is going on in the Muslim world with their brand of religious conservative terrorism and the inability to condemn it.
This is how bias works, it's basically putting on the blinders.

This is why I hate all religion and party affiliations, the end results don't require them. You can believe (have faith) in god without religion, you can elect a good candidate without being part of a party.
 

FerrelGeek

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Wow...

There is evidently some doubt as to whether or not the Oregon community college shooter was specifically targeting Christians, but there seems to be no doubt that he asked about the victim's religion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-shooter-asked-about-religion_56103b22e4b0dd85030c4feb

Note: citing a liberal-approved source.

Immaterial. Terrorists don't check the religious affiliations of their victims before harming them.

Indeed...
 

Jhhnn

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Are you really that ignorant that you interpreted what he said that way? Never mind, I know the answer.

Kee-rist. "It's been reported that" just gives his base-pandering plausible deniability. He attempts to trigger emotional responses & connections that the flock can't reason their way out of. Just another nudge towards the little leap of faith they want to make.
 
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Kee-rist. "It's been reported that" just gives his base-pandering plausible deniability. He attempts to trigger emotional responses & connections that the flock can't reason their way out of. Just another nudge towards the little leap of faith they want to make.

Hey look. Someone gets it.
 
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Kee-rist. "It's been reported that" just gives his base-pandering plausible deniability. He attempts to trigger emotional responses & connections that the flock can't reason their way out of. Just another nudge towards the little leap of faith they want to make.


exactly how fox extrapolates their 'news'. "People have said....."
 

werepossum

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Why shouldn't we blame anti-abortion conservatives, we want to blame video games and movies for violence, rock and roll music for suicide, rap for glorifying the gangsta lifestyle, religious texts for violence, pornography for rape, Porsche for killing Paul Walker, etc., etc.

In a litigious society were it's everyone else fault why should this be different?
lol Good point.

I have no problem admitting that anti-abortion terrorism is virtually completely a right wing phenomenon. If there have ever been any left wing anti-abortion terrorists, they are lost among the right wing crazies and we shouldn't try to argue our way around it. Every side has its crazies and while the right wing's aren't as consistently irritating day to day, they are generally deadlier when they do pop up. Denying it doesn't make it go away, it just lets people know you care more about your team than about the truth.
 
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just like someone said he handed out pamphlets? ;-)

check out the big brain on mikey!

No, not quite, they (fox) use "People" as an untraceable path to validate their story

Whereas, we actually have a name of the person who made this claim.
Zigmond Post, who told BuzzFeed News he was a neighbor of Dear’s in Hartsel, said the man once gave him anti-Obama pamphlets.
Post said he once went to Dear’s home to retrieve two dogs that had gotten loose. “We were there for a minute and the guy was already handing us anti-Obama pamphlets,” he said. According to Post, Dear said “Obama was ruining the country and needed to be impeached.”

significantly more tangible than "someone said he handed out pamphlets" don't you agree mikey?
 

Indus

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-planned-parenthood-shooter-not-white-article-1.2450298

Imagine for a moment the national response if a Muslim man killed a police officer, an Iraq war veteran and a young mother in a mass shooting in which four other police officers and five other people were seriously injured.

What if it was a refugee who did the killing? An undocumented immigrant? Someone from Syria?

Could you imagine if the Planned Parenthood shooter was a Black Lives Matter protester? What would the national response be if that protester shot five police officers, killed one, killed a decorated war veteran, killed a mother and shot 11 people in all?

Be real here. You know the answer.

If anyone other than an angry white man like Robert Lewis Dear had killed a mother, a police officer and a war veteran in a mass shooting, you know and I know that heaven and earth would move to restrict and penalize and demonize anyone who even resembled or was remotely connected to that person.

I shudder at the thought of what might happen to Syrians in America if the shooter had been a Syrian. If the shooter had ever in his life even posted the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter every single member of the modern-day civil rights movement would be asked how we encouraged or promoted or sanctioned such violence. The death threats would come pouring in and we would all be at greater risk.

Somehow, though, when a white man terrorizes society by bringing down violent murder and mayhem on anybody in his presence, be it a school, a movie theater, a government building or a Planned Parenthood clinic, white men get a pass that I am pretty doggone sure nobody else in America gets.

In spite of the reality that it has been widely shared that white men are the “biggest terror threat in America,” it’s a real struggle to think of any meaningful pushback against white men to curb such a threat. Even though not a single Syrian or a single refugee attacked Paris recently, mass hysteria reached such a fevered pitch in America that over 30 governors and the United States House of Representatives came together in matter of days to make it clear that they didn’t want Syrian refugees coming into America.

It appears that America is much more willing to plan, shift, restrict, debate, and legislate fictional threats to our safety than any of the homegrown variety. Ultimately, I’m left to conclude that America doesn’t really care about its citizens being terrorized as long as it’s white men causing the harm.
 

Jhhnn

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The anti-choice fundie fringe will embrace anything that allows them to make Dear "other", not one of them. If he's of them, then they have to look at themselves, at what they say & believe. If he's not they can avoid the unpleasantness of introspection & keep up with the Crusade, the mission from God regardless of the other consequences.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Are you really that ignorant that you interpreted what he said that way? Never mind, I know the answer.

I need to ask an important question:

Did boomerang here actually rape and murder a young girl in 1990?

Does anyone have any evidence to refute the idea that boomerang raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?

I'm sure many people would be upset to learn that BOOMERANG RAPED AND MURDERED A YOUNG GIRL IN 1990.

Now, I'm not saying that BOOMERANG RAPED AND MURDERED A YOUNG GIRL IN 1990, but we really should be asking ourselves how can we find out if BOOMERANG RAPED AND MURDERED A YOUNG GIRL IN 1990.

I'm just asking questions here.
 
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