Active shooter in Colorado Springs

[Ackmed]

Report of active shooter with 20 victims, San Bernardino, CA.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

 

[kage69]

Some ambulatory pile of shit in Colorado's government is blaming Planned Parenthood for the attacks.
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/...arenthood-is-the-real-culprit-in-the-shooting

Sounds like your typical "pro-life" zealot to me; victim mentality despite not being victimized, complete ignorance of 'cause and effect,' delusional statements denoting a detachment from reality, and self-righteous indignation and rage over others not adhering to their worldview and beliefs. Yeah, PP has some nerve forcing all these abortions on women, what a bunch of terrorists!

Just another crazy social authoritarian, albeit maybe a bit more crazy looking than normal. We should take comfort that she's on the wrong side of the issue as that kind of dishonesty and crazy always proves counterproductive to the cause that relies on it.

I'm glad this latest round of "pro-life" terrorism is getting the scorn it deserves though, I'm so sick of these religious fundies thinking they are entitled to screw with (or kill) other people and it's always the fault of someone else.

 

[kage69]

Report of active shooter with 20 victims, San Bernardino, CA.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Probably that Planned Parenthood again!

20 victims, sounds premeditated.

 

[Brian Stirling]

the liberal insistence in dealing / selling baby body parts is the root cause and motivation for this.

Yeah, I hear you're in the market for a brain! I don't think even Dr. Frankenstein would dare tempt fate in that operation.


Brian

 

[kage69]

I liked Mike Littwin's take on Rep. JoAnn Windholz's mind boggling display of fail

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/...d-shooting-joann-windholz-republican-response

From the article:

"The arguments on abortion are, of course, longstanding. Sincere people stand on both sides. But while we’re having the argument about whether overheated rhetoric can lead to violence — interestingly, it wasn’t long ago that Black Lives Matter rhetoric was somehow being blamed in the death of a cop — you have people like Windholz making another case: that overheated rhetoric can offer real insight into the overheated talker.

Most of the many Republicans running for president have been remarkably circumspect, understanding that the best political move at this point is to change the subject. No one has done this more convincingly than Ted Cruz, who, though a leader in slamming Planned Parenthood, did have the decency to blame the actual killer for the killings. Then, turning tragedy to farce, Cruz suggested that Dear (whose Colorado voter registration mistakenly lists him as a female) might well be a “transgendered leftist activist” for all he knew.

It’s easy to see why changing the subject would be a good idea. As we learn more about Dear’s life, beyond the fact of a life lived off the grid, it has become increasingly apparent that he didn’t simply stop by a Planned Parenthood clinic on the way to a murder spree. He had often been accused in violent episodes, including by two of his three ex-wives, and, in another case, where he was arrested for rape and assault.

And apparently he didn’t need to hear heated talk from anyone to act. The New York Times quotes a longtime friend saying that Dear has long been strongly antiabortion and that he had called members of the violently antiabortion, so-called Army of God “heroes.” These were people who took credit for bombing abortion clinics.

In other words, Dear fit a certain profile, which shouldn’t surprise anyone, even though it apparently doesn’t bother JoAnn Windholz, who can understand why someone like Dear, a mass murderer, was sent over the hill. If it’s me, I’d understand if Adams County voters sent someone like Windholz out of office."

:thumbsup:


How republicany christian of Dear; this true justice warrior out to save women from the baby killers (with "pro-life" murders) happens to have a history of wife beating and rape! It's a strange view on tactics these people have, reminds me of guys who will speak out against and legislate against homosexuals, yet get caught having sex with other men.

 

[kage69]

Yeah, I hear you're in the market for a brain! I don't think even Dr. Frankenstein would dare tempt fate in that operation.


Brian

Dude, try not to feed the trolls. Or at least, not the truly pathetic ones anyway.

Look at the idiot still clinging to the 'selling baby parts!' line though, like the good little partisan reactionary he is. Hahaha

 

[umbrella39]

The kafirs insistence in the rejection of Islam and Sharia law is the root cause and motivation for this.

/ISIS

Congratulations, your thought patterns are the same as a bunch of stone age dick heads!

The insane guy you quoted and his ilk pose a much bigger threat to America than any 1000 Muslims. Deport him.

 

[kage69]

 

[waggy]

what the fuck...this thread...


god damn it's disgusting.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

what the fuck...this thread...


god damn it's disgusting.

Too few words for me to totally grasp your post.

"What's it all comin' to? The guns! The drugs! If you'da tol' me ten years ago that I'd see our Texas childrun walkin' aroun' with green hair and bones in their noses -- I wouldna believed it! It's the dismal tide!"

"Well, once you stop hearin' 'Sir' and 'Ma'am' -- it all follows . . . "

"It's the dismal tide . . . "
[No Country for Old Men -- the Coen brothers]

 

[Jhhnn]

Thank you. Mike Keefe is always thought provoking. A favorite-

http://www.cagle.com/2010/10/take-america-back-color/

 

[werepossum]

ooooh, you're gonna get in trouble.... siding with a tree-hugging, liberal hippie, not once, but twice... I salute you're ambulatory skills, being able to walk around with such large cajones

This is Tennessee. Here, I AM a tree-hugging, liberal hippie.

I am not comfortable with our government killing people. Give him life imprisonment.

Meh. Our government kills people all the time, most for much less justification and with much, much less certainty than exists here. When we drop a Hellfire or Maverick into some Syrian dude's kitchen, we're operating on our best intelligence, usually obtained via electronic surveillance or from some local who has his own ax to grind. Here we absolutely know what this guy did - he never left the scene - and it's exactly what we think the other guys we kill WANT to do.

I'm in no way equating the two or defending her stupidity for that matter...he was exuding hatred and I felt compelled to point out the irony. Hate is such an ugly thing imo, regardless of where it's directed or how it's "justified" in one's mind.

Understood, but that's kind of a slippery slope. There is no way he can respond to her statement as it deserves without fanning the flames of hatred, yet to not give it (and her) the derision deserved is to accept it as a reasonable thing to say, regardless of whether or not one agrees with her. That to my mind is perilously close to good men doing nothing. Her statement is exactly what should get people riled up and spitting mad.

 

[woolfe9998]

This article at Rawstory nails it. Stochastic terrorism, egged on by those who can not be held accountable for it. John Cole over at Balloon Juice has a few observations on it too. Republican candidates helped to irresponsibly feed pure bullshit to their voters just to win a political position in an upcoming election.

I wonder if they think the deaths and injuries were worth it.

While I don't usually agree with trying to fix political blame in these kinds of situations, in this case, I am compelled to agree.

One thing that conservatives have pointed out that is correct - pro lifers don't actually kill people over abortion all that often. Unfortunately, that fact doesn't bode well for them here. Since these cases are relatively rare, if there is no causal connection, then what are the odds that one happens specifically at a PP right in the middle of this "controversy" that has been ginned up over that edited video, and with all the press coverage of the GOP in Congress with their unrelenting attempts to de-fund the organization? The timing makes the causal connection particularly strong here.

The notion of blame here is of course complicated because even if there's a causal connection, this consequence was not intended to by the GOP blowhards. However, the question is, was it foreseeable to some degree? I think it was. When you are elected to Congress and you spend all your time not actually legislating but instead engaged in grandstanding to pander to your base, and do so by villainizing certain people or organizations which your base views as "the enemy," it isn't a stretch that something like this could happen. And it's not as if they could ever have accomplished anything constructive for their cause like actually de-funding the organization. Which means the purpose of it was nothing more than to get them votes from their base by fanning hatred.

This incident does not reflect well on the current state of the GOP. Maybe it's time to rethink their approach and actually consider behaving as responsible public servants.

 

[Jaskalas]

Any news on this guy? Motive, associates, hate groups, terrorists?
Just some psycho alone in the woods, decides it's a fine day for a shootout?

How long did he stuff himself in that shack without electricity or water?
Did he even know what a Church looked like?

 

[umbrella39]

Any news on this guy? Motive, associates, hate groups, terrorists?
Just some psycho alone in the woods, decides it's a fine day for a shootout?

How long did he stuff himself in that shack without electricity or water?
Did he even know what a Church looked like?

Your attempt to minimize the motives of the killings at the PP location is duly noted... I'm sure the families of the dead appreciate the sentiment...

 

[Jaskalas]

Your attempt to minimize the motives of the killings at the PP location is duly noted... I'm sure the families of the dead appreciate the sentiment...

What has the killer said?
What documents have police found from him?

I'm asking for updates to this thread, and you want to shit all over it.

 

[umbrella39]

Jacktuse...

 

[FerrelGeek]

What has the killer said?
What documents have police found from him?

I'm asking for updates to this thread, and you want to shit all over it.

He, and others like him, are just POed that 3 Muslims came along and took the spotlight away from this. Surprised we haven't seen a #f*cksanbernadino out of some of the nut-jobs on here.

Waggy was right, this thread is revolting.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Dude, you're truly a poster child of how terminally effed up this country is.

Probably that Planned Parenthood again!

20 victims, sounds premeditated.

 

[zinfamous]

the liberal insistence in dealing / selling baby body parts is the root cause and motivation for this.

the cognitive dissonance required of you to still believe that such a thing is true, is certainly mind blowing.

Here's the thing: all of the people here and in the media commenting on this, laying blame on arch conservative hitgroups and politicians for spreading these lies, and then turning around and denying their culpability.

....and here you are. simply proving that point, no? You can believe whatever you want, I see, as long as the right people say what you want. Facts be damned!

 

[zinfamous]

Any news on this guy? Motive, associates, hate groups, terrorists?
Just some psycho alone in the woods, decides it's a fine day for a shootout?

How long did he stuff himself in that shack without electricity or water?
Did he even know what a Church looked like?

In this case, the murderer is still alive.

So here we have a more controlled investigation where information needs to be gathered and protected in such a way so as not to poison the upcoming trial by littering the public mind (and potential jury) with all sorts of mob-formulated theories and "facts" based on half-baked discoveries.

 

[Jaskalas]

the cognitive dissonance required of you to still believe that such a thing is true, is certainly mind blowing.

I see you haven't met Fox News. O'reilly was standing by those sentiments just two or three nights ago. Leading me to believe they've never retracted or even questioned the story. Let alone attempt to undo the damage they've done by promoting it.

 

[zinfamous]

I see you haven't met Fox News. O'reilly was standing by those sentiments just two or three nights ago. Leading me to believe they've never retracted or even questioned the story. Let alone attempt to undo the damage they've done by promoting it.

"Well, people are saying...." is all one needs for source vetting, and qualified reporting.

 

[HomerJS]

Why is this being left out of the discussions on current terrorism in the US?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Why is this being left out of the discussions on current terrorism in the US?

It's mass-psychology, coupled with a filter of media reporting, fact, myth or misinformation. It's echoed and amplified by Trump, Cruz, maybe Fiorina. The country is shocked. Mortified. But all the other domestic terrorists dominate the sample. Farook-Malik are latecomers.

I posted some stats on recent and long-past massacres on the San Berdoo Active Shooting thread or whateverit'scalled. Killed and wounded.

I'd have to go back and look at it, but I thought that Charles Whitman had one of the big scores on both counts. For kills, he's tied with Farook-Malik. He wounded 32 others.