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LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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I am white, asshole.

When are you going to start to realize that blaming people just because they're different from you isn't going to get you anywhere?

And whites can't bash whites? Shit, that's par for the course.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Oh yeah? I didn't see that on TV yet.

Yeah, that live ABC feed that I-forget-who posted a few hours ago clearly had the helicopter newsguy showing it.

That made me feel a lot better about the doubt that they might've gotten the wrong SUV.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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I'm still maintaining my original guess that with three involved (... ) that this is the work of the religion of peace.

Not sure if you mean right wing Christian fundamentalists or right wing Islamic fundamentalists.
 
Jan 25, 2011
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Sad watching people really want to blame something on a specific group and scrounging to find anything that confirms their hope (and it really is hope) that it is what they want it to be.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Is it too early to wonder why we do not yet have any official description of any suspects from police, particularly since a couple have been killed? The fact that we know one is a US citizen yet not his or her name seems a little suspicious to me.

I'm still maintaining my original guess that with three involved (if it is indeed three--early information is so sparse and contradictory) that this is the work of the religion of peace.

I'm holding off yet. Maybe that unlikely story about a pissed off meeting-member has weight after all.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Sad watching people really want to blame something on a specific group and scrounging to find anything that confirms their hope (and it really is hope) that it is what they want it to be.

A less complex world with known enemies is by far preferable to a world of uncertainty and paranoia... but that's just people.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Sad watching people really want to blame something on a specific group and scrounging to find anything that confirms their hope (and it really is hope) that it is what they want it to be.

I agree, but to be honest I'm not exempt from this. I'd be surprised if any of us truly are.

Conservatives are hoping this can be blamed on Islam. Liberals are hoping this can be blamed on lack of gun control, anti-abortion activists, what-have-you.

Welcome to politics.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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And whites can't bash whites? Shit, that's par for the course.
Yaknow, your entire mental malfunction is that you can't think of people as individuals. To you, everyone belongs to some group that dictates all their actions. Do you have no theory of mind or are you psychopathic?
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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A less complex world with known enemies is by far preferable to a world of uncertainty and paranoia... but that's just people.

Actually it has more to do with not caring what reality is, instead acting how you want the world to be.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Fuck it I'll say it. He's referring to some right wing blogs that claim someone named Tayyeep bin Ardogan was a Qatari suspect. Now, the president of Turkey is Tayyip bin Erdogan. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's bullshit since it's one man, one woman and he's posted another name in the OT thread that is also a male, plus referred to this one again.

I can't even find the accusation on any website, anymore. Run an appropriate google search, it shows a few websites where the captioned text mentions it, but if you click the link it's either broken or there's an article there but it no longer mentions this "fact." Appears to be a hoax. This is obviously the real reason he wouldn't provide a link.
 

Blanky

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Oct 18, 2014
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Sad watching people really want to blame something on a specific group and scrounging to find anything that confirms their hope (and it really is hope) that it is what they want it to be.
Why is that sad? Wouldn't people want to know why something is as it is?
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Watching lk rage in some weird refusal to provide sources is just odd.
The RWN bullshit machine has been in overdrive all afternoon, spewing gossip and speculation.

My opinion is that this might be something like that (we really don't know), but I'm going to wait for the facts before grabbing the torches and pitchforks.
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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I've read comments that NBC and CBS have named a Syeed Farook as the US citizen in the shooting and that the second male was his brother (no name yet). Some readers hit Google and came up with a Syed Farook who is an Environmental Health Inspector in SB, which could explain his presence at the shooting.

Nothing solid yet though...

ETA: Here's something... (warning .pdf)... Look at the name at the right, towards the top.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Actually it has more to do with not caring what reality is, instead acting how you want the world to be.

I think it has more to do with using confirmation bias to make sure that ad hoc everything keeps lining up with the reality that one understands. It is more pronounced in conservatives, but it is in everyone.
 

WackyDan

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Jan 26, 2004
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Is it too early to wonder why we do not yet have any official description of any suspects from police, particularly since a couple have been killed? The fact that we know one is a US citizen yet not his or her name seems a little suspicious to me.

I'm still maintaining my original guess that with three involved (if it is indeed three--early information is so sparse and contradictory) that this is the work of the religion of peace.

The police probably have them identified based on any info in SUV or on their persons...

They probably are working diligently to ensure any identification they have is accurate and not falsified, stolen ID, etc.

Probably have a whole slew of details in the am that will be released with confidence. Like you I'm placing my bets.
 
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