Active Shooting in San Bernardino, California

[FerrelGeek]

We create what we fear. Call a man a terrorist long enough and he just might become one. Not saying that is what happened here, but it's always a possibility.

Maybe that's what happened to the Colorado Springs shooter. Oh wait, we can pin the conservative Christian label on him so that doesn't count.

 

[Ackmed]

Having pipe bombs ready to go is one thing (how long would it take to make some pipe bombs for someone that knew how to do it and had the materials already though?), and I don't know what the timeframe was between leaving the party and coming back to it...

Explosives, if you know how to make them and have the right things are incredibly easy to produce, can be made very fast. Pipe bombs being one of the easiest and best 'bang for the buck' explosives. Remote detonators are a little more tricky, but even they aren't that hard to make/use. You would have to have knowledge prior to of how to make them, which would bring up more questions about why someone would know that.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

How many times can you be wrong in the same thread and not run tail-tucked to hide?

The level of cognitive dissonance in this thread is amazing, not just by you but by others. So many want desperately for this shooting to have been a right wing extremists, despite the odds of such a thing being amazingly low. Can't you people appreciate how being politically correct has made you utterly inept at understanding how people work?

I'm sure there was a lot of allah snackbar screaming as they mowed people down.Why exactly? What would it matter whether it is ordered online or not?

Sorry, but I really (absolutely) must agree here.

It's okay to doubt something based on the fact that we simply do not know all of the evidence. More tends to surface as time passes, etc... But if your overall answer isn't that religion is the overall underlying answer here, you are indeed in denial. It's like you're running around saying "La-la-la-la I'm not listening!"

Let's see what we got hurrrrrr
1) Recently turned to the "more extremist" side of muslim (according to neighbors).
2) Recently returned from Syria (according to someone here? I haven't read that yet).

 

[dank69]

Maybe that's what happened to the Colorado Springs shooter. Oh wait, we can pin the conservative Christian label on him so that doesn't count.

I wasn't aware that people were pushing the narrative that "all Christians are terrorists" so hard.

 

[Oyeve]

My theory is the wife was the one calling the shot and the husband was probably threatened by whatever organization. IE, they said they would kill his family if he didnt go along with this, or something like that.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Quite a bit of ideological commitment, but given that his coworkers were the infidels he most hated, it has at least an element of workplace violence within its Islamic terrorism center.

Hang on for a full court press against the real culprits - us. Meaning Christmas parties and the Second Amendment.

Won't be the least bit surprised. Liberal is as liberal does.

Confusing until you open your mind and realize there are people whose religious motivated thoughts are just as alien to you as Western secular thoughts and beliefs are to them.

Agree.

Where is your graph on bombings that kill people in other countries?
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Remember. Obama told the world that mass shootings just don't happen in other countries. Yes, he has later clarified that he was referring to the frequency, but that was still a huge, and insensitive, gaff.

 

[boomerang]

So, could it have been prevented from happening?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...ch-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

Neighbors in Redlands were shocked that the suspects had ties to their area.

“I was in awe that it was happening four houses down from my property,” one neighbor said.

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

Are the dead and wounded victims of PC?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So, could it have been prevented from happening?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...ch-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

Are the dead and wounded victims of PC?

Depends if he didn't because he knew there was something going on or he didn't want to be the old guy calling the police because a bunch of Muslims were hanging out.

I do agree as a society we need to call out weird people and assholes far more often. No its not OK for your kid with Autism to stay in the basement all day when he is not at the gun range, no its not OK to live in a remote cabin in the woods almost all the time and when you are seen you act like an asshole or a trapped animal, no its not OK to stockpile huge amounts of guns and/or ammo with no reason to do so, no its not OK to have weird people entering and leaving your house at all hours of the day.

 

[repoman0]

So, could it have been prevented from happening?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...ch-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

Are the dead and wounded victims of PC?

Seriously? How could reporting 6 middle eastern people just existing around a neighborhood possibly have stopped anything? That's not grounds for a search or even a small investigation. If people started reporting every random small group of middle eastern people they see, there would be thousands of false tips and they'd just get ignored in the future anyway.

Not to mention their guns were retrieved legally, even if they somehow had been unconstitutionally searched.

 

[dank69]

My theory is the wife was the one calling the shot and the husband was probably threatened by whatever organization. IE, they said they would kill his family if he didnt go along with this, or something like that.

Early signs point to her being the radical ringleader, but I doubt it went so far as threatening his family. I can see her being the primary influence, though. I see plenty of dudes who get all religion crazy for some stupid piece of ass.

 

[dank69]

So, could it have been prevented from happening?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...ch-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

Are the dead and wounded victims of PC?

You are an awful human being.

 

[dank69]

Depends if he didn't because he knew there was something going on or he didn't want to be the old guy calling the police because a bunch of Muslims were hanging out.

I do agree as a society we need to call out weird people and assholes far more often. No its not OK for your kid with Autism to stay in the basement all day when he is not at the gun range, no its not OK to live in a remote cabin in the woods almost all the time and when you are seen you act like an asshole or a trapped animal, no its not OK to stockpile huge amounts of guns and/or ammo with no reason to do so, no its not OK to have weird people entering and leaving your house at all hours of the day.

WTF? You seriously arguing for less freedom here?

 

[HomerJS]

I notice how neighbors indicated he had become very religious translates to "radicalized"

Has there been any evidence to date of him becoming radicalized?

 

[chucky2]

Explosives, if you know how to make them and have the right things are incredibly easy to produce, can be made very fast. Pipe bombs being one of the easiest and best 'bang for the buck' explosives. Remote detonators are a little more tricky, but even they aren't that hard to make/use. You would have to have knowledge prior to of how to make them, which would bring up more questions about why someone would know that.

I don't know the timeframe from the party exit to, er, new party entrance...but could they be made that fast? Cutting pipe and drilling a few holes in it is nothing, I know how long that takes. I suppose if they knew how to do it, had all the materials, it wouldn't take that long. It truly is too bad they were killed outright, it would have been nice to know why they did what they did.

 

[HomerJS]

I heard a quote from SOTH Paul Ryan, asking what we can do about home grown gihadists?

Why not ask the question what can we do about home grown terrorists? Why is he excluding white guys part of extremist hate groups who like shooting up black churches and turning their guns on law enforcement?

 

[CitizenKain]

If anything shooting a bunch of innocent people shows how American these people are.

 

[Belegost]

Depends if he didn't because he knew there was something going on or he didn't want to be the old guy calling the police because a bunch of Muslims were hanging out.

I do agree as a society we need to call out weird people and assholes far more often. No its not OK for your kid with Autism to stay in the basement all day when he is not at the gun range, no its not OK to live in a remote cabin in the woods almost all the time and when you are seen you act like an asshole or a trapped animal, no its not OK to stockpile huge amounts of guns and/or ammo with no reason to do so, no its not OK to have weird people entering and leaving your house at all hours of the day.

So people who don't live in ways you approve should be ... spied on? incarcerated? waterboarded? put before a firing squad?

Funny, the west is against daesh torturing, and murdering people who don't live the "right" way; but it seems they have done a good job spreading the idea...

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Where is your graph on bombings that kill people in other countries?

You're more than welcome to post such a graph yourself. I'm sure it will show that what those other countries lack in mass shootings they more than make up for in relative bombings.

 

[Jaskalas]

The interesting part is that farook met his wife/girlfriend online, went to Saudi Arabia and then came back with her (is being reported that they are married and had a baby).

So the guy was too extreme to have an impure American bride. That says a lot. I mean, it's easy to suggest she radicalized him... and to an extent that may be true, but he had to be radical to begin with.

 

[MiniDoom]

If anything shooting a bunch of innocent people shows how American these people are.

lol, what? how many innocent people have been shot in Syria lately? They're so pro-american over there.

 

[brycejones]

Depends if he didn't because he knew there was something going on or he didn't want to be the old guy calling the police because a bunch of Muslims were hanging out.

I do agree as a society we need to call out weird people and assholes far more often. No its not OK for your kid with Autism to stay in the basement all day when he is not at the gun range, no its not OK to live in a remote cabin in the woods almost all the time and when you are seen you act like an asshole or a trapped animal, no its not OK to stockpile huge amounts of guns and/or ammo with no reason to do so, no its not OK to have weird people entering and leaving your house at all hours of the day.

Let the terrorists win that sounds like a plan. One of the great things about this country is the freedom to be weird or even an asshole. When we give up our freedoms in the name of "security" we've lost and the freaking terrorists have won. F-that!

 

[Captain Picard]

Has there been any evidence to date of him becoming radicalized?

You mean apart from him shooting up a bunch of infidels after "becoming very religious"?

Ok, overlooking that, I've read he and the girlfriend were wearing GoPro cameras. If the footage shows them mumbling or hollering "alluah ackbar" would that be "sufficient evidence" of radicalization?

 

[Atreus21]

So, could it have been prevented from happening?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...ch-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

Are the dead and wounded victims of PC?

I was thinking about that and it's unfair to classify it like that.

What was the guy supposed to do? Run yelling to the cops that there are middle-easterners in our midst?

 

[Captain Picard]

I heard a quote from SOTH Paul Ryan, asking what we can do about home grown gihadists?

Why not ask the question what can we do about home grown terrorists? Why is he excluding white guys part of extremist hate groups who like shooting up black churches and turning their guns on law enforcement?

Why are you and several other posters so keen on making this issue about (presumably) white, racist, anti-government types?

Sucks when those pesky muslim terrorists keep trashing the "religion of peace" narrative, I guess.

 

[boomerang]

You are an awful human being.

Why is that? Don't hold back, let it all out.