Active Shooting in San Bernardino, California

[Indus]

The fact that he was driving the SUV while his wife was shooting at the police with a sophisticated high caliber assault rifle means she was not just another ordinary house wife. Most American women can operate a hand gun but not an assault rifle, let alone shoot from the back of a SUV while the husband driving.

Did she push him towards jihad? And why did they target where he worked rather than an actual target for "terrorism"?

It seems she was radicalized before he was. It's quite possible that Muslims who normally go for arranged marriage.. someone arranged this and pushed her to him to radicalize him and over time it succeeded.

Did she pussywhip him?

 

[nixium]

It should be interesting to see tea party/right wing reaction to this. They hate muslims but love guns and want *everyone* to have guns. Stuff like sandy hook, aurora theater, planned parenthood is all "collateral damage" "acceptable losses" for the privilege of gun rights. But now muslims are having and using guns, how to reconcile the two? It must be like S&M in their brains right now.

 

[nixium]

It's the same for the left wing loonies too. They love extremist muslims but hate guns. How would they reconcile it as well? They want to let thousands of people in from ISIS areas and hand them green cards and welfare.. but what if they want guns? Can they stretch the white guilt/white privilege far enough to overwhelm their virulent dislike of the second amendment? They'll really need to push these guys rock bottom on the oppression ranking to abide by this, I think.

 

[Darwin333]

So far, the latest I'd heard in the last hour -- He had communicated with terrorists who were already on the FBI radar.

I don't like the idea of NSA being able to access a complete record of my phone or internet accesses from a zillion disks stored in some . . facilities.

But if it's initially just a match of meta-data, I'll say this. Americans should have known (as I did) ten or more years ago that NSA had these capabilities. BBC had aired a documentary on the extant NSA system known as ECHELON back around '98 or '99. Bamford published his "Body of Secrets" as sequel to an earlier work -- "The Puzzle Palace." If you ever liked Redford, Poitier or Dan Ackroyd, you might have seen the fictional comic-suspense movie "Sneakers."

The issue had been -- instead -- the potential for abuse. But there are few or no cases of NSA abuse.

Why would they announce this from the FBI now? And would they have caught Farook and Marik if NSA hadn't stopped its mining of meta-data weeks or months ago? Because that's what I think may have happened, unless I've got it wrong.

They just stopped days ago and it obviously didn't work at stopping the attack....

 

[Hugo Drax]

The fact that he was driving the SUV while his wife was shooting at the police with a sophisticated high caliber assault rifle means she was not just another ordinary house wife. Most American women can operate a hand gun but not an assault rifle, let alone shoot from the back of a SUV while the husband driving.

Did she push him towards jihad? And why did they target where he worked rather than an actual target for "terrorism"?

It seems she was radicalized before he was. It's quite possible that Muslims who normally go for arranged marriage.. someone arranged this and pushed her to him to radicalize him and over time it succeeded.

Did she pussywhip him?

So Trump looks to be right. A Pakistani is allowed to immigrate and turned her husband into a Terrorist.

If one Pakistani woman got into our system and turned this guy into a terrorist, then maybe he has a point about halting further muslim immigrants.


We have plenty of homeless Americans to deal with anyhow, lets focus on that before worrying about people from Syria who have no home.

 

[senseamp]

So Trump looks to be right. A Pakistani is allowed to immigrate and turned her husband into a Terrorist.

If one Pakistani woman got into our system and turned this guy into a terrorist, then maybe he has a point about halting further muslim immigrants.


We have plenty of homeless Americans to deal with anyhow, lets focus on that before worrying about people from Syria who have no home.

Is this where we pretend that you give a sh!t about American homeless?

 

[norseamd]

Ok then Mr. Huge Drax do you believe that homelessness in America is a problem regardless of how prevalent it is, and we should help them find shelter, food, and jobs.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Ok then Mr. Huge Drax do you believe that homelessness in America is a problem regardless of how prevalent it is, and we should help them find shelter, food, and jobs.

Yes, before importing more homeless.

I do not understand why would we want to import 10,000 Homeless syrians in 2016.

Where are they supposed to live? We have about 42,000 Homeless vets. Maybe work on housing them first before bringing in 10K Muslims and housing them instead of our own.

 

[senseamp]

Yes, before importing more homeless.

I do not understand why would we want to import 10,000 Homeless syrians in 2016.

Where are they supposed to live? We have about 42,000 Homeless vets. Maybe work on housing them first before bringing in 10K Muslims and housing them instead of our own.

GOP can pass a bill to house those homeless vets and send it to Obama's desk any day. Syrian refugees aren't stopping them.

 

[Indus]

So Trump looks to be right. A Pakistani is allowed to immigrate and turned her husband into a Terrorist.

If one Pakistani woman got into our system and turned this guy into a terrorist, then maybe he has a point about halting further muslim immigrants.


We have plenty of homeless Americans to deal with anyhow, lets focus on that before worrying about people from Syria who have no home.

The thing is Syrians are generally not terrorists. But Pakistan is much more likely to be involved with terrorism. Just think about it...

1993 WTC bombing: Pakistani terrorist
1995 Air Philippines bombing: Pakistani terrorist
1995 Plot to blow up airlines with the same bomb.. Pakistani terrorist
1999 kargil war: started by Pakistani terrorists financed by the Pakistan Army
2001 WTC: financed and planned by Pakistani
2005 London bus bombings: planned by expat Pakistani terrorists
2008 Mumbai attacks: Pakistani terrorists with help from American Pakistani David Headly planning
2009/10 Times square bomber: US citizen radicalized in Pakistan on overseas trips
And now this.. 2015.

Those are only the ones on the top of my head, not to mention Osama Bin Laden managed to hide there despite us paying 10 billion dollars a month to find him.

Something is seriously wrong with Pakistan's ethics where as Syrians were just displaced by war. There's a difference between a war refugee and economic migrants.

 

[LegendKiller]

The fact that he was driving the SUV while his wife was shooting at the police with a sophisticated high caliber assault rifle means she was not just another ordinary house wife. Most American women can operate a hand gun but not an assault rifle, let alone shoot from the back of a SUV while the husband driving.

Did she push him towards jihad? And why did they target where he worked rather than an actual target for "terrorism"?

It seems she was radicalized before he was. It's quite possible that Muslims who normally go for arranged marriage.. someone arranged this and pushed her to him to radicalize him and over time it succeeded.

Did she pussywhip him?

How does a woman not operate an "assault rifle"? My mom handled a semi-auto 30-06 rifle very well, as did my sister, and my wife. That fires the same round as many "assault rifles". Assault rifle is a made up term.

I am still waiting for how far above sea level was this sidewalk in Singapore.

 

[highland145]

GOP can pass a bill to house those homeless vets and send it to Obama's desk any day. Syrian refugees aren't stopping them.

So could have any of the previous batch of "public servants." My guess is that the windows on the ivory towers start at the 4th floor. Bastards.

 

[senseamp]

So could have any of the previous batch of "public servants." My guess is that the windows on the ivory towers start at the 4th floor. Bastards.

So let's not pretend like it's Syrian refugees that are stopping us from helping homeless vets.

 

[Hugo Drax]

GOP can pass a bill to house those homeless vets and send it to Obama's desk any day. Syrian refugees aren't stopping them.

So these 10K Syrians. Where are they going to live? Are they going to be provided a home and food?

 

[highland145]

So let's not pretend like it's Syrian refugees that are stopping us from helping homeless vets.

Agree. I'd be pretty happy ignoring the rest of the worlds problems until our own are taken care of. Never understood (or will) why that's not the case.

 

[highland145]

So these 10K Syrians. Where are they going to live? Are they going to be provided a home and food?

Ship their asses to our hat.

 

[nixium]

^^^^

http://www.visaus.com/benefits.html

 

[highland145]

^^^^

http://www.visaus.com/benefits.html

dafuq?

My name is Julio Cruse and I just crossed the boarder. Where's my check, bitches?

 

[sportage]

So help me out here.
Are we no longer demonizing Hispanics and Mexicans coming into this country illegally?
Is it all those "other" Muslim people we now hate?
The gays, do we now like the gays too?
How about single mothers?

Someone hunt down Donald for me and simply ask, who is #1 on our hate list the days?

I've never seen an illegal Hispanic alien taking out a family of white America citizens with an assault weapon after cleaning their bathroom. No?
Or a bunch of same sex wedding attendees lobbing pipe bombs at a van of happy christian evangelists. Right?
Or a mother visiting planed parenthood later strapping plastic explosives to her torso and running into a crowd of happy Trump supporters. Hey?

So, considering all that has happened lately in France and now out in San Bernardino California, what is our current hate status?
Still illegal aliens from Mexico, or gays, or planned parenthood employees, or is it now all Muslim faith citizens in the country?
Help me out here..... Mr Republican presidential hopeful.

 

[senseamp]

Agree. I'd be pretty happy ignoring the rest of the worlds problems until our own are taken care of. Never understood (or will) why that's not the case.

That would have been a good idea to consider before we invaded Iraq, armed Syrian "rebels," and destabilized the whole region, creating all these refugee problems in the first place.

 

[nixium]

dafuq?

My name is Julio Cruse and I just crossed the boarder. Where's my check, bitches?

At least you're born here, I'm a legal immigrant and I'm waiting in line for years and years while working here. 0 public benefits I'm paying into social security and medicare and get nothing back, not even in-state tuition :'(

 

[nixium]

So help me out here.
Are we no longer demonizing Hispanics and Mexicans coming into this country illegally?
Is it all those "other" Muslim people we now hate?
The gays, do we now like the gays too?
How about single mothers?

Someone hunt down Donald for me and simply ask, who is #1 on our hate list the days?

I've never seen an illegal Hispanic alien taking out a family of white America citizens with an assault weapon after cleaning their bathroom. No?
Or a bunch of same sex wedding attendees lobbing pipe bombs at a van of happy christian evangelists. Right?
Or a mother visiting planed parenthood later strapping plastic explosives to her torso and running into a crowd of happy Trump supporters. Hey?

So, considering all that has happened lately in France and now out in San Bernardino California, what is our current hate status?
Still illegal aliens from Mexico, or gays, or planned parenthood employees, or is it now all Muslim faith citizens in the country?
Help me out here..... Mr Republican presidential hopeful.

Actually it's the other way around, plenty of rhetoric, but still any idiot can get guns and thousands of people from ISIS territory are being brought into the country and given free stuff.

 

[highland145]

That would have been a good idea to consider before we invaded Iraq, armed Syrian "rebels," and destabilized the whole region, creating all these refugee problems in the first place.

Or was that before Iraq invaded Kuwait?

 

[highland145]

At least you're born here, I'm a legal immigrant and I'm waiting in line for years and years while working here. 0 public benefits I'm paying into social security and medicare and get nothing back, not even in-state tuition :'(

You should create a 2nd persona. Not joking. What do you have to lose?

 

[Knowing]

The fact that he was driving the SUV while his wife was shooting at the police with a sophisticated high caliber assault rifle means she was not just another ordinary house wife. Most American women can operate a hand gun but not an assault rifle, let alone shoot from the back of a SUV while the husband driving.

There's nothing sophisticated about the ak, that's the major selling point of the ak.

Shooting a rifle is easy as piss. Hitting something while shooting one from a moving vehicle at a moving target is considerably more difficult, but the ability to pull the trigger and hear bang is probably common to most tweens.