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bshole

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Whether it was or not, Christianity isn't generally suffering from a terrorism problem. Neither are most major religions save for Islam.

That is wishful thinking on your part. The Christian terrorism problem is just an order of magnitude smaller than the Muslim terrorism problem. That being said, it is orders of magnitude GREATER than Atheist based terrorism. If Christians and Muslims had the morals/ethics of American atheists, the world would be much much better and safer place in my opinion.
 
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SP33Demon

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That is wishful thinking on your part. The Christian terrorism problem is just an order of magnitude smaller than the Muslim terrorism problem. That being said, it is orders of magnitude GREATER than Atheist based terrorism. If Christians and Muslims had the morals/ethics of American atheists, the world would be much much better and safer place in my opinion.
If atheist you mean "doesn't affiliate with any religion", I think you will find that most crime in this country is committed by atheists. Hate to burst that bubble.
 

Jaskalas

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That is wishful thinking on your part. The Christian terrorism problem is just an order of magnitude smaller than the Muslim terrorism problem. That being said, it is orders of magnitude GREATER than Atheist based terrorism. If Christians and Muslims had the morals/ethics of American atheists, the world would be much much better and safer place in my opinion.

If atheist you mean "doesn't affiliate with any religion", I think you will find that most crime in this country is committed by atheists. Hate to burst that bubble.

I'm betting the gangs of Chicago aren't too big on Religion.
 

fskimospy

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If atheist you mean "doesn't affiliate with any religion", I think you will find that most crime in this country is committed by atheists. Hate to burst that bubble.

Yeah that's almost certainly untrue. Even if you count all unaffiliated people as atheists, itself a highly dubious proposition, they only comprise about 23% of the US. I'm going to say it's a very, very safe bet that most crime in the US is committed by Christians because they comprise about 70% of the population.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
 

bshole

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I'm betting the gangs of Chicago aren't too big on Religion.

Don't believe you.


http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prison


We have this statistic thanks to a 2013 report released by the United States Federal Bureau of Prisons obtained by blogger Hemant Mehta. The report looks at all the federally run prisons in the U.S. — that makes up about 218,000 prisoners — and the inmates’ religious affiliations. When they say that less than one percent identify as atheist, they actually mean 0.07 percent. That’s right, 0.07 percent. That is way less than one percent.

Atheist morals/ethics are clearly SUPERIOR to muslim/christian values, the data proves it scientifically. 0.07%.... think about it...... REALLY think about it.....
 
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SP33Demon

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Yeah that's almost certainly untrue. Even if you count all unaffiliated people as atheists, itself a highly dubious proposition, they only comprise about 23% of the US. I'm going to say it's a very, very safe bet that most crime in the US is committed by Christians because they comprise about 70% of the population.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

We're actually both wrong. "Spiritual but not religious" are most likely to commit the most crime.

The researchers arrived at the conclusion after examining data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. The study looked at data of 14,322 individuals in the age group of 18 to 28. The average age was determined to be 21.8.
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"Calling oneself 'spiritual but not religious' turned out to more of an antisocial characteristic, unlike identifying oneself as religious," said Baylor researcher Aaron Franzen, a doctoral candidate and study co-author.

The Baylor researchers believe that people who deem themselves as spiritual but not religious are more broad-minded than the religious group, but could be either more or less conservative than the 'atheists' group.

"We were thinking that religious people would have an institutional and communal attachment and investment, while the spiritual people would have more of an independent identity," Franzen said.

The study has revealed that people who think they are spiritual but not religious are likely to have lower self-control than those who are religious. They are also prone to depression, anxiety and self-victimization. These traits are small indicators of potential criminal behavior.
http://www.universityherald.com/art...ng-crimes-atheists-believers-baylor-study.htm
 

SP33Demon

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LoL..... NOICE goalpost move!
It has nothing to do with goalposts. You cited stats of people who already committed the crime, not what they were before the crime. Most people find religion in prison, it's a desolate, hopeless, soul-sucking experience where they need to find some kind of hope that there's a better life than the one they already fucked up in.
 

bshole

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More data...

Citing four different studies, Zuckerman states: "Murder rates are actually lower in more secular nations and higher in more religious nations where belief in God is widespread." He also states: "Of the top 50 safest cities in the world, nearly all are in relatively non-religious countries."

Within the United States, we see the same pattern. Citing census data, he writes: "And within America, the states with the highest murder rates tend to be the highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates tend to be the among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion

I don't envy your position SP33, you literally have no data backing your position. All of the evidence, every last fucking shred of it is all on my side. You ain't doing bad though. I admire your effort.
 
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That is wishful thinking on your part. The Christian terrorism problem is just an order of magnitude smaller than the Muslim terrorism problem. That being said, it is orders of magnitude GREATER than Atheist based terrorism. If Christians and Muslims had the morals/ethics of American atheists, the world would be much much better and safer place in my opinion.
Joseph Stalin agrees!
 
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Jaskalas

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More data...
Citing four different studies, Zuckerman states: "Murder rates are actually lower in more secular nations and higher in more religious nations where belief in God is widespread." He also states: "Of the top 50 safest cities in the world, nearly all are in relatively non-religious countries."
That also correlates with poverty...
 

Darwin333

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Actually, in fairness it looks like I've been using incorrect statistics. The figure from the NCVS is 240,000 across a 5-year period, so that would have to be cut down to about 48,000 per year. Regardless, that refers to defensive uses reported to police, and therefore not the shitty anecdotes found in...

Shrug, I don't even know how many times my gun was used for defensive purposes during the aftermath of Katrina. Simply being visibly armed made groups of obvious bad guys who were breaking into peoples homes turn around and go the other way.

A few times I had to actually point it instead of it just being slung over my shoulder. People tend to think twice when looking down the barrel of a 12 gauge, even at a distance. Bad guys generally don't want to die anymore than the rest of us and there were plenty of empty houses or unarmed people to rob/loot/rape/kill. I didn't report any of those instances to the police but in all fairness there wasn't much of a "police force" to call. Hell I don't think 911 even worked and if it did I sure as hell wasn't wasting my time calling it.

There was a guy not to far away who was tied up and forced to watch his wife and 17y/o daughter get gang raped by 3 thugs. I'm not sure if it's lucky that they didn't just kill him or not but I damn sure bet that he wished he had a gun.

Anecdotal? Sure it is but frankly if no shots are fired I see no reason to report it to the police. The last thing in the world I want is an encounter with the police and that goes 10X if I am armed despite being legally armed. Besides, what are they going to do? Make me wait for a few hours before they even show since I'm calling to tell them the danger fled and then give me a little slip of paper or some shit? That's hoping I don't get some jackboot Rambo wannabe who goes fucking ballistic on me because the 911 operator told him I was armed. I can just see the headlines "Guy defends himself from thug with legally carried gun, gets shot and killed by cop, cop exonerated of all charges". Fuck that shit.
 

bshole

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That also correlates with poverty...

and intelligence.

Intelligence and atheism and standard of living are all HIGHLY correlated. Smarter people tend to be atheists, live more productive lives, have better ethics and commit fewer crimes..... it is almost evolutionary....

My entire family is Christian. I am far more intelligent than any of them. I am the only one with a college degree. I am far better off financially than any of them. I have one brother who is a convicted drug felon and 2 brothers who had run-ins with the IRS for not paying taxes. That is anectdotal but highly reflective of general reality.
 
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HomerJS

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Whether it was or not, Christianity isn't generally suffering from a terrorism problem. Neither are most major religions save for Islam.

In this country I'm more likely to suffer harm from a Christian terrorist then a Muslim terrorist.

That being said her pledge is enough for me.


Also myself and others have said the Visa programs are the far bigger threat vs Syrian refugees. She was here on a fiancée visa.
 
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Indus

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Ruh roh. Libtard apologists incoming (or not lol).

Why the fuck should we apologize?

You conservaterrorists are the one who has congress giving guns freely to all inside America? Did it not occur to you one might be pussywhipped into becoming a terrorist later?

Oh that's right.. the usual conservaterrorist mind.. I don't like to think so much..
 
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