Actress Heather Lind accuses former President George H.W. Bush of sexual assault

[Starbuck1975]

My answer was based on your conjecture there is a context where it is ok for a boss to intentionally grab/touch a woman's ass. I still don't know what that is.

I don't think this rises to the level of criminal sexual assault. She chose to deal by standing there and taking it. She was sort of forced to by the power disparity. Then the security person blames her for standing too close. Really?

I don't have a problem with her telling the story now if she felt really creeped out. Today's news now puts her in the position of power.

Its ok if its consensual. Not advisable perhaps in a work setting, but that context would certainly make it something you could rationalize.

As for her power, it will last for all of 15 mins until the next Trump tweet or the Kennedy assasination release consumes the new cycles.

This is why social media social justice is a complete dead end, which is why I classified it as white noise.

 

[pauldun170]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...lly-harass-women-as-i-lacked-power-over-them/

 

[HomerJS]

There's a 2016 book authored by Roger Stone titled "Jeb! and the Bush Crime Family" that includes information concerning Bush 41's decades-long relationship with a certain Swiss woman, and that wife Barbara Bush was certainly well aware of that situation.
Teri Hatcher and George Bush Sr. Lunch Date
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJZoai2HIeA

Evidence Bush may have a habit of doing this for years. Maybe he's friends with Terri so they have an understanding but its out of bounds to do this to a stranger and blame the stranger for "standing too close"

 

[J.Wilkins]

Its ok if its consensual. Not advisable perhaps in a work setting, but that context would certainly make it something you could rationalize.

As for her power, it will last for all of 15 mins until the next Trump tweet or the Kennedy assasination release consumes the new cycles.

This is why social media social justice is a complete dead end, which is why I classified it as white noise.

Exactly, like with teacher/student a boss/employee grabbing her arse, sending her penis pics or sex videos is A-OK as long as we play pretend that in such a relationship anything can be consensual rather than "you like your job, don't you / you want good grades, don't you".

So what if a teacher/boss does that and thinks it's consensual because his student/employee feels that she cannot complain or she'll get bad grades/miss her chance?

I mean, if it's your daughter, then you'd be perfectly fine with that, right?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Exactly, like with teacher/student a boss/employee grabbing her arse, sending her penis pics or sex videos is A-OK as long as we play pretend that in such a relationship anything can be consensual rather than "you like your job, don't you / you want good grades, don't you".

So what if a teacher/boss does that and thinks it's consensual because his student/employee feels that she cannot complain or she'll get bad grades/miss her chance?

I mean, if it's your daughter, then you'd be perfectly fine with that, right?

Different context. Consensual does not assume an abuse of power, which is what you described

 

[J.Wilkins]

Different context. Consensual does not assume an abuse of power, which is what you described

You're either playing an idiot or you are an actual idiot.

The women coming forth are doing so because it's pretty much never consensual but complaining will get them fired/get them low grades.

I'm sure your GF/wife/daughter should be subjected to that and you'd call that consensual since they didn't want to stir the waters and lose their jobs/get worse grades, right?

If the person did not explain in detail to them his interest and how it had nothing to do with their respective positions then it is abuse of powers. Every single time.

 

[pauldun170]

Woman: A man grabbed my butt!
Starbuck: Whats the context?
Woman: WTF? I Need to provide explanation?
Starbuck: Did you know him?
Woman: Why does that matter?
Starbuck: Because if you knew them maybe they were just...
Woman: It doesn't make a difference. The only one who is allowed to grab me is my boyfriend.
Starbuck: So are you saying one man can grab you ass but another can't? Isn't that hypocritical? An unreasonable standard?should it be what applies for one applies to all? Thats the only way to be fair. Did the guy look like your boyfriend?
Women: He was an old guy. George Bush sr
Starbuck: So an old man touched you butt. aren't you being unreasonable? He's is harmless. Just a dirty old man?
Woman: At what age does a man need to reach in order to have unchecked authority to touch women whithout consent?
Starbuck: That depends. What was the day like? What were you wearing? Was there music on in the background? You really need to think about all the factors involved here. As a matter oif fact. I think you are being pretty selfish right now.
Woman: .......what?
Starbuck: Can you show me anywhere in current US law where it clearly states that touching someones butt is illegal? Isn't George Bush a veteran? Did you think about that? Is this how you thank him for his service? By complaining he touched you butt?

 

[zinfamous]

Woman: A man grabbed my butt!
Starbuck: Whats the context?
Woman: WTF? I Need to provide explanation?
Starbuck: Did you know him?
Woman: Why does that matter?
Starbuck: Because if you knew them maybe they were just...
Woman: It doesn't make a difference. The only one who is allowed to grab me is my boyfriend.
Starbuck: So are you saying one man can grab you ass but another can't? Isn't that hypocritical? An unreasonable standard?should it be what applies for one applies to all? Thats the only way to be fair. Did the guy look like your boyfriend?
Women: He was an old guy. George Bush sr
Starbuck: So an old man touched you butt. aren't you being unreasonable? He's is harmless. Just a dirty old man?
Woman: At what age does a man need to reach in order to have unchecked authority to touch women whithout consent?
Starbuck: That depends. What was the day like? What were you wearing? Was there music on in the background? You really need to think about all the factors involved here. As a matter oif fact. I think you are being pretty selfish right now.
Woman: .......what?
Starbuck: Can you show me anywhere in current US law where it clearly states that touching someones butt is illegal? Isn't George Bush a veteran? Did you think about that? Is this how you thank him for his service? By complaining he touched you butt?

lol, that's good. Actually, just the first response is pretty awesome. Imagine being in that situation.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Woman: A man grabbed my butt!
Starbuck: Whats the context?
Woman: WTF? I Need to provide explanation?
Starbuck: Did you know him?
Woman: Why does that matter?
Starbuck: Because if you knew them maybe they were just...
Woman: It doesn't make a difference. The only one who is allowed to grab me is my boyfriend.
Starbuck: So are you saying one man can grab you ass but another can't? Isn't that hypocritical? An unreasonable standard?should it be what applies for one applies to all? Thats the only way to be fair. Did the guy look like your boyfriend?
Women: He was an old guy. George Bush sr
Starbuck: So an old man touched you butt. aren't you being unreasonable? He's is harmless. Just a dirty old man?
Woman: At what age does a man need to reach in order to have unchecked authority to touch women whithout consent?
Starbuck: That depends. What was the day like? What were you wearing? Was there music on in the background? You really need to think about all the factors involved here. As a matter oif fact. I think you are being pretty selfish right now.
Woman: .......what?
Starbuck: Can you show me anywhere in current US law where it clearly states that touching someones butt is illegal? Isn't George Bush a veteran? Did you think about that? Is this how you thank him for his service? By complaining he touched you butt?

So many words...and yet you entirely missed the point

 

[Starbuck1975]

You're either playing an idiot or you are an actual idiot.

The women coming forth are doing so because it's pretty much never consensual but complaining will get them fired/get them low grades.

I'm sure your GF/wife/daughter should be subjected to that and you'd call that consensual since they didn't want to stir the waters and lose their jobs/get worse grades, right?

If the person did not explain in detail to them his interest and how it had nothing to do with their respective positions then it is abuse of powers. Every single time.

No, I just have no interest in speculation

 

[Victorian Gray]

No, I just have no interest in speculation

Now *that* is funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[Starbuck1975]

lol, that's good. Actually, just the first response is pretty awesome. Imagine being in that situation.

Well, judges and lawyers and such tend to create that very situation...laws and presumed innocence, such cumbersome things.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Now *that* is funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

@Victorian Gray just grabbed me in the ass. Three other people just tweeted the same! Prove you're innocent you filthy old man

 

[woolfe9998]

Context does absolutely matter, not just for sexual harassment, but for pretty much anything.

Suppose a male boss leers at a female subordinate's breasts, and says, "happy birthday. Time to bring out the big balloons!" That's one thing.

Now suppose the victim is Katy Perry and the "offender" is Ellen Degeneras, a good friend of hers, and Katy laughed and thought it was funny.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...ed-for-sharing-unacceptable-katy-perry-photo/

Evidently some people find those situations to be equivalent. Piers Morgan thinks it's a double standard. I think it's pretty obvious that the context does actually matter.

On a side note, this PC over every comment that is even remotely sexual is SO out of hand. It's like we're regressing back to the 17th century.

 

[alien42]

nm

 

[Victorian Gray]

@Victorian Gray just grabbed me in the ass. Three other people just tweeted the same! Prove you're innocent you filthy old man

 

[alien42]

it's ok, starbuck was wearing provocative clothing and was asking for it.

/s

 

[Victorian Gray]

it's ok, starbuck was wearing provocative clothing and was asking for it.

/s

It's just "white noise" and nobody is listening anymore. <shrug>

 

[Starbuck1975]

it's ok, starbuck was wearing provocative clothing and was asking for it.

/s

Edgy

 

[colonel]

Trump abused a few and is untouchable, even if he does it, the dam GOP won't do a thing. Sad to watch an older Bush, a man who served with great distinction go through this at the end of his life.

 

[IronWing]

Trump abused a few and is untouchable, even if he does it, the dam GOP won't do a thing. Sad to watch an older Bush, a man who served with great distinction go through this at the end of his life.

Only because we didn't hang him for war crimes.

 

[OutHouse]

While not as egregious as others your view might change if some 90 year old strange woman decides to squeeze your nuts. Just sayin'

what are you saying?

 

[mindless1]

Report it at the time or STFU and move on. DO report something that's legitimate instead of a social manipulation but anyone who waits years is just a rabid attention whore, unless we're talking about a child that lacked the mental facilities to deal with it like an adult can.

There is never a case where a sexual advance is appropriate in the workplace, advance meaning an initiation not where a sexual relationship already exists. That's what asking someone out on a date is for, and when either party has a senior position over the other, only a fool would not wait for the junior party to initiate a sexual advance.

The gray area then is what is an appropriate vs inappropriate escalation. Anyone who wants to avoid that gray area shouldn't go on the date.

 

[HomerJS]

It's up to 3. No accident.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...roped-by-george-hw-bush/ar-AAu6cWm?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[amenx]

Have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more politicians and celebs being accused of harassment or groping over the next few months. Bet many are very nervous at this point in time.