Actress Heather Lind accuses former President George H.W. Bush of sexual assault

[HomerJS]

Call him out then and there. Not 4 years later when it's the latest thing to do.

During the press conference? That's a tough position to put anyone in.

My guess is since it didn't have a long term effect on her life at the time she kept silent until now but why should anyone be put in that position?

It would be much easier if it happened on a public bus but what about a disparate power position between the man and woman?? Translate that to boss and employee.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You guys do know that a lot of women are sharing stories as part of that #metoo thing right?

You do realize that when the chorus of #metoo gets so broad that it starts to sound like #crywolf, it becomes white noise and people lose interest in trying to solve the underlying problem.

 

[HomerJS]

You do realize that when the chorus of #metoo gets so broad that it starts to sound like #crywolf, it becomes white noise and people lose interest in trying to solve the underlying problem.

If your wife, gf or daughter came home and said their boss grabbed her ass I doubt you would consider that "white noise"

 

[Victorian Gray]

You do realize that when the chorus of #metoo gets so broad that it starts to sound like #crywolf, it becomes white noise and people lose interest in trying to solve the underlying problem.

Yeah, it's World Series time. Pay attention to the important things in life, not a buncha whiny wimmins.

 

[brycejones]

You do realize that when the chorus of #metoo gets so broad that it starts to sound like #crywolf, it becomes white noise and people lose interest in trying to solve the underlying problem.

Keep quiet honey because you'll just sound like those other harpies who can't take a joke. /s

 

[Starbuck1975]

If your wife, gf or daughter came home and said their boss grabbed her ass I doubt you would consider that "white noise"

Depends on the context

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah, it's World Series time. Pay attention to the important things in life, not a buncha whiny wimmins.

Your incessant whining has my undivided attention

 

[Victorian Gray]

Your incessant whining has my undivided attention

Only person whining here has been you bunky. It's all about those damn wimmins all talking about their touchy feely issues.

 

[MrPickins]

Depends on the context

Seriously? What context could make it ok for a boss to grab an employees ass?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Keep quiet honey because you'll just sound like those other harpies who can't take a joke. /s

On one end of the spectrum you have criminal sexual assault. Somewhere in the middle you have sexual misconduct. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have #crywolf.

This particular incident is somewhere between misconduct and #crywolf. The President apologized for the incident.

 

[brycejones]

Seriously? What context could make it ok for a boss to grab an employees ass?

Stripper self defense training just before they slug the boss?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Seriously? What context could make it ok for a boss to grab an employees ass?

I go to a lot of conferences, which have the obligatory group photo ops. Without fail, there is always an uncomfortable moment or accidental touching, usually with someone making an inappropriate comment or joke. In the Army, we couldn't take a group photo without someone doing or saying something inappropriate. I've seen both male and female executives guilty of it. I wouldn't classify this as criminal or misconduct if not abusive in nature.

 

[brycejones]

On one end of the spectrum you have criminal sexual assault. Somewhere in the middle you have sexual misconduct. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have #crywolf.

This particular incident is somewhere between misconduct and #crywolf. The President apologized for the incident.

Well since he already apologized for it doesn't sound like #crywolf is really the appropriate thing to suggest is it? Also do you really think this is the only time he has done this?

Again the only way this behavior ends is if it is dragged out into the light and curb stomped. You appear to be going for the "some of it isn't so bad" approach and that's fucked up. I wouldn't want my wife or daughters treated this way and you shouldn't be asking women to stay quiet about it because it wasn't that bad.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Seriously? What context could make it ok for a boss to grab an employees ass?

I grabbed a bosses boobs once, she was carrying something heavy down some steep steps, I walked up to meet her half way, she stumbled forward and I pushed against her chest to keep her from falling.
I was soooooo imbarassed.

See context is important otherwise it's simply I grabbed a former bosses boobs.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well since he already apologized for it doesn't sound like #crywolf is really the appropriate thing to suggest is it? Also do you really think this is the only time he has done this?

Again the only way this behavior ends is if it is dragged out into the light and curb stomped. You appear to be going for the "some of it isn't so bad" approach and that's fucked up. I wouldn't want my wife or daughters treated this way and you shouldn't be asking women to stay quiet about it because it wasn't that bad.

Again, context is important. I was vocally against some conservatives concern trolling over Weinstein when the story first broke, because there was not a pattern of behavior. That changed quickly, as did my opinion on the matter.

If more stories emerge of President Bush being ass slappy, it demonstrates a pattern that deserves more serious consideration.

I am not saying anyone should remain silent. I am saying that context is important.

 

[brycejones]

Again, context is important. I was vocally against some conservatives concern trolling over Weinstein when the story first broke, because there was not a pattern of behavior. That changed quickly, as did my opinion on the matter.

If more stories emerge of President Bush being ass slappy, it demonstrates a pattern that deserves more serious consideration.

The problem is men have gotten away with it for years because women don't talk about it. I won't be shocked if more comes out about Bush. We also won't know unless women do come forward.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Only person whining here has been you bunky. It's all about those damn wimmins all talking about their touchy feely issues.

You had me at bunky

 

[TheVrolok]

Just as a side thought, I wouldn't be totally surprised if it were entirely true and perhaps related to his dementia. Not uncommon to have disease related lack of inhibition which leads to hyper sexuality or acting out.

 

[MrPickins]

I grabbed a bosses boobs once, she was carrying something heavy down some steep steps, I walked up to meet her half way, she stumbled forward and I pushed against her chest to keep her from falling.
I was soooooo imbarassed.

See context is important otherwise it's simply I grabbed a former bosses boobs.

Did you also make a lewd joke while you did it?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Did you also make a lewd joke while you did it?

We giggled about it, again context is important

One could state I giggled about it

 

[MrPickins]

We giggled about it, again context is important

One could state I giggled about it

So, your anecdote isn't really applicable, is it?

 

[Snarf Snarf]

You do realize that when the chorus of #metoo gets so broad that it starts to sound like #crywolf, it becomes white noise and people lose interest in trying to solve the underlying problem.

The only broad thing about it is how broadly prevalent sexual harassment and misconduct is in society. It carries with it a sort of normalcy where it's just accepted that some of it is "boys being boys". The #metoo movement is literally to show men how often it happens to the women around us, the fact that people want context and even start to think about crying wolf shows just how deeply seeded the idea that women would use sexual misconduct to bring down a good man is.

I personally do not know a single woman that has not been a victim of sexual abuse or misconduct. That's a 100% rate, most don't speak up because as soon as they do, men assume that it's primarily a smear campaign or character assassination. The sad truth is that most intelligent and powerful men are smart enough to know when and how to do this behavior so that it never gets caught in a way that would give hard evidence for the women to ever get any real case against them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So, your anecdote isn't really applicable, is it?

It is because it's about context being important

 

[MrPickins]

It is because it's about context being important

How about the context of the discussion we're having?

The example given was a wife or daughter complaining about sexual harassment from their boss, not incidental contact from a well wisher.

 

[trenchfoot]

I don't have to believe her. If she felt like she was violated she should have taken action. I get that would probably be an uphill battle for her, but hiding it for 4 years doesn't help your case.

And yes I'd believe her cause dirty old men do that stuff all the time.

Hey, I don't do it ALL the time. I mean, us dirty old men do have standards you know. While the gold standard for molesting women used to be "Nine to Ninety, Nuts, Cripple or Blind", ever since O'Reilly and Trump became our standard bearers, it's now "Young, Pretty and Able to be Bought Off *Cheap".

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