Acura halts sales of new TLX sedans with V6 engine

LTC8K6

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Acura has issued a stop-sale order to its dealers and notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of a potential safety defect with new Acura TLX sedans equipped with a V6 engine and nine-speed automatic transmission.

The problem is that transmission components in the TLX might have been damaged during manufacture, according to a technical service bulletin issued by Acura. As a result, the shift indicator could indicate that the transmission is in park when it is not, which could allow the vehicle to roll away.

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https://autos.yahoo.com/news/acura-halts-sales-tlx-sedans-v6-engine-160000943.html
 

Jimzz

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A V6 Honda and auto trans issue... that's so unheard of.

Sorry just to easy to not say. This be like GM having more intake gasket problems or Toyota sludge engine problems.
 

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Nope, ZF did and its the same 9 speed transmission that is in my 2015 Chrysler 200S that has been in the shop for transmission issues for months.


http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/products/product_range/cars/cars_9_speed_automatic_transmission.shtml

It uses a combination of dog and friction clutches to shift. It relies on the transmission software to make the shifting happen. It is a very complicated design with some major drawbacks in shift quality. I basically had to change my way of driving just for this car.

This transmission will be a disaster for Acura IMO.
 
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Nope, ZF did and its the same 9 speed transmission that is in my 2015 Chrysler 200S that has been in the shop for transmission issues for months.


http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/products/product_range/cars/cars_9_speed_automatic_transmission.shtml

It uses a combination of dog and friction clutches to shift. It relies on the transmission software to make the shifting happen. It is a very complicated design with some major drawbacks in shift quality. I basically had to change my way of driving just for this car.

But the question is, who manufacturers it. IIRC Chrysler manufacturers the ZF design in-house (at least with the 8-speed). Not sure where Honda has its transmission production.
 

Pneumothorax

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That's what they get for killing the manual option that the TSX/TL used to have. Seriously, does anyone build a decent automatic tranny?
 

Jimzz

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That's what they get for killing the manual option that the TSX/TL used to have. Seriously, does anyone build a decent automatic tranny?

The GM auto trans that are designed/built in house are good. Ford has not been to bad in that regard as well.

Its when they use outside trans or work with others they go to sh1t. The CVT GM used was a Fiat design and built in Europe. Only lasted 3 years I think before even GM gave up on it.
 

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Another reason not to get the first year of a new model or redesign.
 

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That's what they get for killing the manual option that the TSX/TL used to have. Seriously, does anyone build a decent automatic tranny?

I drove the 2.4 + DCT and found it to be a fantastic combination. I don't think your typical new Acura buyer is going to get a manual. Even the ILX manual was killed off.
 

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ZF? The Germans must sadly not be on their game with this one. Is it made in Germany or Michigan?
 

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I'm not sure why people rave about ZF transmissions, the ZF 6 speed in my 335i shifts slower than the one in my 2000 corolla and not nearly as smoothly. Same with other 3 series I've driven.
 
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I'm not sure why people rave about ZF transmissions, the ZF 6 speed in my 335i shifts slower than the one in my 2000 corolla and not nearly as smoothly. Same with other 3 series I've driven.

The Corolla tranny probably doesn't have to worry about grenading itself either due to 300ftlbs of torque. The ZF 6 speed feels faster and smoother than the 6L80 in the C6 IMO.
 

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I have two different ZF 8 speeds and both are great. They shift funny when cold, like most transmissions, but other than that they are very smooth and very fast.
 

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I have two different ZF 8 speeds and both are great. They shift funny when cold, like most transmissions, but other than that they are very smooth and very fast.

That's a good sign that the transmission won't last much longer than 100K miles depending on driving habits (City vs highway)... GOOD transmissions shift fine even in very cold weather. Crappy transmissions or ones that don't have too much of a future in them shift funny when it's cold. I would make sure you have an extended warranty on that transmission and be prepared for replacement. When I had the transmission in my '07 Lexus ES350 replaced, for 40K miles it had a 3-4 gear shift flare especially when cold. The transmission finally bit the dust @ 60K miles which is within the 70K miles warranty the car has. Scary to think that had the car had a lot more highway miles on it, the transmission would have bit the dust after the warranty period.

Perhaps you should drive aggressively with lots of cold operation in city driving so that it fails within the warranty period?
 

Kushina

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ZFs make them like that, they shift weird when cold to raise temperatures or something. It's not grinding it self at 300ftlbs 99% of the time. Drove my neighbors 328xi and many other 3 series like I said, and they all shift blotchly. I'm pretty sure the V6 camry has more power than a 328 yet shifts better.

The Corolla tranny probably doesn't have to worry about grenading itself either due to 300ftlbs of torque. The ZF 6 speed feels faster and smoother than the 6L80 in the C6 IMO.

Why are we comparing it to GM transmissions
 

tortillasoup

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ZFs make them like that, they shift weird when cold to raise temperatures or something. It's not grinding it self at 300ftlbs 99% of the time. Drove my neighbors 328xi and many other 3 series like I said, and they all shift blotchly. I'm pretty sure the V6 camry has more power than a 328 yet shifts better.



Why are we comparing it to GM transmissions

Well I'm going to call it ahead of time and say they'll have a rash of transmission failures. Back when Toyota had the unintended accelerator event covering all the news, I was aware of the problem about 6 months prior to the shit hitting the fan. The problem for me though was that I wasn't sure how to make money off of knowing of the problem prior to everybody else knowing the issue and the whole recall mess so I did nothing.
 

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Well I'm going to call it ahead of time and say they'll have a rash of transmission failures. Back when Toyota had the unintended accelerator event covering all the news, I was aware of the problem about 6 months prior to the shit hitting the fan. The problem for me though was that I wasn't sure how to make money off of knowing of the problem prior to everybody else knowing the issue and the whole recall mess so I did nothing.

IIRC, no real problem was ever found, save the one tragedy with the floor mat problem.

The pedal assemblies were recalled out of an abundance of caution because they could possibly return to idle slower than they were supposed to.
 
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Kushina

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Yeah on the other hand 6th gen civic's are pretty bad ass from what I've read/seen online. I think there was one that broke 1 million miles, I know it had over 600k on original engine and transmission.
 

tortillasoup

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IIRC, no real problem was ever found, save the one tragedy with the floor mat problem.

The pedal assemblies were recalled out of an abundance of caution because they could possibly return to idle slower than they were supposed to.

Oh no I agree but when I saw what happened to me with the floor mat not being properly anchored leading to the stuck accelerator, I knew that it could have happened to any Joe blow. I mean I know to anchor the floor mat and everything but when I drove the car, I didn't know that someone had removed and re-installed the floor mat without properly anchoring it (likely to clean off some debris). Knowing the problem was so easy to re-create as had been done by the previous driver made me realize that the shit definitely would be hitting the fan over it and it did.

But yeah, all the "recalls" done in regards to the issue were really just ways to ensure that if the floormat was not anchored, the problem would be less likely to occur.
 

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I'm not sure why people rave about ZF transmissions, the ZF 6 speed in my 335i shifts slower than the one in my 2000 corolla and not nearly as smoothly. Same with other 3 series I've driven.

Yeah, don't know why they went away from GM trannies. They had problems with ZFs on E46s pre-facelift, went to GMs on facelifts models, no more problems. And what did they do? Went back to ZFs... Brilliant!

(BTW, GM in this instance doesn't mean General Motors - for those that are confused, )
 
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dbk

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Was considering trading in my 6mt Accord Sport for the V6 TLX or Accord next year.. Maybe this is a sign to keep the darn thing hehe
 
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