Acura?s Image Issues

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By Christie Schweinsberg

WardsAuto.com, Oct 22 2004

Acura has updated its flagship RL sedan, but will status-conscious luxury buyers bite?

WASHINGTON ? Debuting in 1986, it was the first to challenge the German luxury marques? U.S. dominance, yet American Honda Motor Co. Inc.?s Acura brand has never quite lived up to its intentions.

While its vehicles sell well enough, Acura?s image has yet to achieve par with the Mercedes-Benz and BMW brands, or even that of Toyota Motor Corp.?s Lexus.

There are a multitude of reasons: Acura lacks a V-8 engine; other than the NSX supercar, no other model has rear-wheel drive; and its vehicles feel, well, like really nice Hondas.


To put itself on a more even playing field, Acura has given its flagship RL a complete makeover.

The current RL, which is 8 years old, sold a paltry 3,535 units through September, a 35.2% falloff from the unspectacular 5,457 sold in like-2003.

Market share is a piddling 0.4% for the year.

However, Acura optimistically expects to sell 20,000 units of the redesigned RL. (See related story: Acura Expects 20,000 Annual Sales for RL)

Although it appears ambitious, Acura likely can achieve that goal. But the ?05 RL?s sales still will fall far short of the BMW 5-Series (43,714 units in the ?04 model year) and Mercedes E-Class (58,088).

Still, Acura says it has confidence in the ?05 RL.

Based on the same global midsize sedan platform as the Honda Accord and Acura TSX and TL, the new RL, indeed, is a marked improvement over the previous generation. Steering, ride and handling are improved notably.

The RL has grown 1.1 ins. (2.8 cm) in width, but overall length is reduced 3 ins. (7.6 cm). The wheelbase is downsized 4.4 ins. (11.2 cm).

The exterior gets a major overhaul from the ?04 RL?s dull and dated styling, and now follows the sharp, angular family resemblance the brand has established with the TL and TSX. The interior is vastly improved as well, with the impeccable fit and finish Honda is known for.

Should the driver choose not to use the ID, there are separate buttons for all three functions, or a voice-recognition system with which to make a selection.

The RL is the first recipient of Honda?s new Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive system, which, like its ambitious name suggests, does provide superb handling.

The SH AWD system is the first of its kind, says Acura, delivering torque strategically not just front to rear, but also left to right.

During straight-line cruising and moderate cornering, up to 70% of torque is at the front wheels; during full-throttle acceleration that same percentage is shifted to the rear.

In cornering, up to 100% of rear torque is sent to the outer wheel to improve performance, stability and traction, Honda says.

The 3.5L VTEC V-6 engine, mated to a 5-speed automatic Sequential SportShift transmission, delivers 300 hp and 260 lb.-ft. (Nm 353) of torque, besting the outgoing RL by 75 hp and 29 lb.-ft. (Nm 39) of torque.

In a circuit track test with the 5-Series, E-Class and Audi A6, the RL?s steering and cornering is noticeably better than Audi?s and on par with the others. There is noticeable handling improvement over the outgoing RL.

Although the ?05 RL has no available options, Acura is banking on its standard in-car satellite AcuraLink navigation system to move the model.

The auto maker says the system is the first of its kind in North America, with the ability to receive real-time traffic, accident and construction information for 20 major metropolitan areas via its connection to XM Satellite Radio?s XM NavTraffic service.

AcuraLink performed admirably in a test. However, it only provides real-time information for highways, and, as experienced here driving in downtown Washington, traffic, accidents and construction backups are everywhere, not just on the interstates.

The real question is whether buyers will pay $48,900 for the new RL. Acura executives emphasize that the vehicle is less expensive than a comparably equipped A6, 5-Series or E-Class. But will status-conscience luxury owners care?

The Acura must compete with an indiscernible sense of opulence behind the wheel of a Mercedes or BMW. Although the auto maker seems to have done everything right with the new RL, it remains to be seen if this is the vehicle that can vault Acura to the level of its German competitors.
 

Babbles

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I was listening to the raid and an Acura ad came on advertising the RL. The ad did all of the typical bragging points, but at the end of the commercial they guy said something about the RL leaving other luxuxry cars in the dust.

I had to laugh to myself about that one. Until Honda wakes up and develops a 'real' rear wheel drive platform and a V8 they will always be second fiddle in the luxury car market.
 

OS

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The RL doesn't feel like a Honda. I have an 03 accord and poked around at an 05 RL. It's much more solid feeling like when the doors close and stuff.

As for the cries about no V8, the RL makes as much HP as the MB E500 and costs thousands less.

That being said, Honda/Acura would have been better off building just a RWD RL that costs 5K less. But the platform doesn't allow for that since it has a traversely mounted engine.

 

Passions

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When people are paying $50k for a car, it's not just looks/handling/performance, alot of it is the NAME BRAND. The BMW/BENZ factor.

And sad to say, but Acura does not fit in that category.

mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: toant103
i will NEVER SPEND that much on the RL. Get my money worth with a M45

Completely different cars there..

Not they aren't. Same class, same price, same size, similar power outputs.

It just so happens that the M45 does it the right way...V8 + RWD
 

Mani

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Acura's image is deserved. Aside from the integra line it seems like every freaking one of their cars has just been an upscale Accord. The new RL is a step in the right direction but a V6 and AWD just aren't inspiring enough to make it a market killer.
 

Ryan

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What kinds of issues can Acura be having with sales up over 16% this year alone, growing more than any other luxury brand in the US?

Acura is defining itself nicely. Infiniti doens't even touch the sales of Acura, and if growth continues, Acura stands to become to the #3 luxury maker in the US. Believe what you want, sales growth tells the real story.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
What kinds of issues can Acura be having with sales up over 16% this year alone, growing more than any other luxury brand in the US?

Acura is defining itself nicely. Infiniti doens't even touch the sales of Acura, and if growth continues, Acura stands to become to the #3 luxury maker in the US. Believe what you want, sales growth tells the real story.

There's no where to go but up when you've been playing in the mud behind Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.

And just about any car manufacturer will see increased sales when they introduce a new model and a redesign (TSX + TL). Let's see what the numbers are like once the novelty runs out and see if they can put up some consistent numbers like BMW and Lexus.

And sales growth means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to brand recognition or prestige compared to the aforementioned companies. Acura isn't anywhere close. Acura is like Volvo or Saab. Not many people see them as "luxury"
 

boyRacer

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Heh. this badge stuff is smart business... but i think its retarded.

honda integra... or acura rsx... really couldn't care less. id probably be more inclined to buy the former.
 

OS

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Originally posted by: NFS4
There's no where to go but up when you've been playing in the mud behind Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.

And just about any car manufacturer will see increased sales when they introduce a new model and a redesign (TSX + TL). Let's see what the numbers are like once the novelty runs out and see if they can put up some consistent numbers like BMW and Lexus.

And sales growth means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to brand recognition or prestige compared to the aforementioned companies. Acura isn't anywhere close. Acura is like Volvo or Saab. Not many people see them as "luxury"

Nah Acura still has better name recognition than Volvo or Saab. I went a get together with many old friends from HS. I had just come from the Acura dealer carrying a TSX brochure and an old hottie classmate had sudden interest, "you're gonna get an Acura??"


 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: NFS4
There's no where to go but up when you've been playing in the mud behind Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.

And just about any car manufacturer will see increased sales when they introduce a new model and a redesign (TSX + TL). Let's see what the numbers are like once the novelty runs out and see if they can put up some consistent numbers like BMW and Lexus.

And sales growth means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to brand recognition or prestige compared to the aforementioned companies. Acura isn't anywhere close. Acura is like Volvo or Saab. Not many people see them as "luxury"

Nah Acura still has better name recognition than Volvo or Saab. I went a get together with many old friends from HS. I had just come from the Acura dealer carrying a TSX brochure and an old hottie classmate had sudden interest, "you're gonna get an Acura??"

better sell that accord of yours and get a TSX instead
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: rbloedow
What kinds of issues can Acura be having with sales up over 16% this year alone, growing more than any other luxury brand in the US?

Acura is defining itself nicely. Infiniti doens't even touch the sales of Acura, and if growth continues, Acura stands to become to the #3 luxury maker in the US. Believe what you want, sales growth tells the real story.

There's no where to go but up when you've been playing in the mud behind Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.

And just about any car manufacturer will see increased sales when they introduce a new model and a redesign (TSX + TL). Let's see what the numbers are like once the novelty runs out and see if they can put up some consistent numbers like BMW and Lexus.

And sales growth means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to brand recognition or prestige compared to the aforementioned companies. Acura isn't anywhere close. Acura is like Volvo or Saab. Not many people see them as "luxury"

With the upcoming RDX, and the rumored sport coupe/convertable coming from Honda, I have no doubt they'll be able to keep the momentum up. With they type of quality Honda is churning out in the TSX, TL, and RL - Acura's brand recognition will rise. I agree that they're not at the levels fo Lexus, MB, or BMW, but they're moving on up, and doing it fast.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It looks like an Accord. AWD aint gonna save it.

Which speaks volumes about the badge whores in this country

If you're spending $50,000 on a "luxury" sedan, I think you have a right to be a badge whore
 

OS

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: OS
Nah Acura still has better name recognition than Volvo or Saab. I went a get together with many old friends from HS. I had just come from the Acura dealer carrying a TSX brochure and an old hottie classmate had sudden interest, "you're gonna get an Acura??"

better sell that accord of yours and get a TSX instead

LOL, if I get a new car soon, it'll probably be the 05 6MT G35 sedan. 30K sticker, 300 HP, HIDs, leather, and sport package all standard. :Q

But yeah to me since I know cars, platforms and technology inside out, the accord and TSX is all the same sh*t to me. Hell auto for auto, the i4 accord and TSX are actually real close in acceleration. The extra features are nice, but not a worthwhile upgrade for me.

Back in HS I used to have a turbo Volvo and that same girl didn't give me props for that.
 

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: OS
Nah Acura still has better name recognition than Volvo or Saab. I went a get together with many old friends from HS. I had just come from the Acura dealer carrying a TSX brochure and an old hottie classmate had sudden interest, "you're gonna get an Acura??"

better sell that accord of yours and get a TSX instead

LOL, if I get a new car soon, it'll probably be the 05 6MT G35 sedan. 30K sticker, 300 HP, HIDs, leather, and sport package all standard. :Q

But yeah to me since I know cars, platforms and technology inside out, the accord and TSX is all the same sh*t to me. Hell auto for auto, the i4 accord and TSX are actually real close in acceleration. The extra features are nice, but not a worthwhile upgrade for me.

Back in HS I used to have a turbo Volvo and that same girl didn't give me props for that.

If I recall correctly the TSX is the European Accord.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It looks like an Accord. AWD aint gonna save it.

Which speaks volumes about the badge whores in this country

Nothing to do with badge. But at that price, you are paying for appearance and design, and it just looks like an accord, which is unacceptable.
Even the Acura TL looks more different from the Accord than the RL. Maybe they should have made it look more like the TL.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It looks like an Accord. AWD aint gonna save it.

Which speaks volumes about the badge whores in this country

Nothing to do with badge. But at that price, you are paying for appearance and design, and it just looks like an accord, which is unacceptable.
Even the Acura TL looks more different from the Accord than the RL. Maybe they should have made it look more like the TL.

The TL looks 10x better than the RL.

Come to think of it, their whole lineup is Accord based (save for the RSX and NSX)

MDX - which is based on the outgoing Odyssey which is based on the '98 Accord
TSX - European Accord
TL - Accord
RL - Accord

Now I can understand them using the Accord platform to get costs down...but to use it for your FLAGSHIP? Come on!!
 

OS

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It looks like an Accord. AWD aint gonna save it.

Which speaks volumes about the badge whores in this country

Nothing to do with badge. But at that price, you are paying for appearance and design, and it just looks like an accord, which is unacceptable.
Even the Acura TL looks more different from the Accord than the RL. Maybe they should have made it look more like the TL.

You should go see it in person, since it gives a different sense of scale and touch. I don't think it comes off as an accord, too much chrome and projector/HIDs.


 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It looks like an Accord. AWD aint gonna save it.

Which speaks volumes about the badge whores in this country

Nothing to do with badge. But at that price, you are paying for appearance and design, and it just looks like an accord, which is unacceptable.
Even the Acura TL looks more different from the Accord than the RL. Maybe they should have made it look more like the TL.

The TL looks 10x better than the RL.

Come to think of it, their whole lineup is Accord based (save for the RSX and NSX)

MDX - which is based on the outgoing Odyssey which is based on the '98 Accord
TSX - European Accord
TL - Accord
RL - Accord

Now I can understand them using the Accord platform to get costs down...but to use it for your FLAGSHIP? Come on!!


The upcoming RDX will be accord based too, along with the coupe. I guess it's a good platform
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: rbloedow

The upcoming RDX will be accord based too, along with the coupe. I guess it's a good platform

I guess Acura is continuing the tradition of offering gussied up Accords
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: rbloedow

The upcoming RDX will be accord based too, along with the coupe. I guess it's a good platform

I guess Acura is continuing the tradition of offering gussied up Accords

Meh - the average consumer does not know that (Aside from styling, which is very subjective), the RL is lightyears ahead of the accord in ever category
 
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