Acura TSX burning oil

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pauldun170

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Maybe for American and German autos. But a 2010 4 cyl tsx should not be burning 1qt every 3k.

His problem is he does not have the balls to escalate and is letting the dealership take him for a ride.

All makes and models have incidents of oil consumption.


http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784028&highlight=oil+consumption


Plug in any manufacturer with "oil consumption" and you'll come across stories.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hon...il+consumption&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
 

Jimzz

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What the engine calls for - 5W-20



Not only, but that's one of the places it's happened repeatedly.


What brand? Mobil runs a little thin while Castrol is on the very thick side of the scale just as an example.

Try some 5w30.
 

LTC8K6

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The manual seems to say the light and the message come on related to oil pressure, not oil level.

It tells you to check the level because that's the most likely reason for low oil pressure.

But it's certainly confusing and it probably works for both pressure and level. So when you get at those angles, it thinks you are low on oil.

You could get a Scangauge and maybe watch the actual oil pressure reading...?
 

RampantAndroid

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The manual seems to say the light and the message come on related to oil pressure, not oil level.

It tells you to check the level because that's the most likely reason for low oil pressure.

But it's certainly confusing and it probably works for both pressure and level. So when you get at those angles, it thinks you are low on oil.

You could get a Scangauge and maybe watch the actual oil pressure reading...?

Sure - this thread is two issues I guess. There is oil burn (verified from the dip stick and Acura checking my car every 500 miles) and I get a oil warning light.
 

RampantAndroid

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What brand? Mobil runs a little thin while Castrol is on the very thick side of the scale just as an example.

Try some 5w30.

Isn't the rating number the indicator of how thin or thick it is? It's the viscosity. I'm using Mobil1.
 

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Sure - this thread is two issues I guess. There is oil burn (verified from the dip stick and Acura checking my car every 500 miles) and I get a oil warning light.

Well, if you are repeatedly losing oil pressure, that will be followed by oil burning, and then by rattling noises, and then by silence.
 

RLGL

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One quart to 1K miles is not that bad, normal no, but the motor is a machine. I have had new engines in boats that used one quart in 10 running hours and that was not bad enough to have warranty repairs.
Oil is cheap engines are not.
If it bugs you that much....TRADE IT!!!
 

RampantAndroid

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Well, if you are repeatedly losing oil pressure, that will be followed by oil burning, and then by rattling noises, and then by silence.

See, that's the thing - Acura is claiming oil pressure is fine...

Are they able to attach a diagnostic tool that can be left in the car for a week that'll record when the oil pressure over time?
 

pauldun170

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Your oil consumption is acceptable and based on the consumption alone there is no reason for Acura to investigate further. I do not know of one manufacturer that would care about 1qt every 3K mile. Once you establish your burn rate, it is up to you to add oil when appropriate. Its the luck of the draw sometimes. If the only issue is that its an oil burner (at the rate you are saying) that car could last for 400K miles of trouble free driving.

However
As long as the oil level marks are in between the lower and upper markings you should NOT be getting an oil pressure light under any circumstances.

As other have mentioned, call corporate and document EVERYTHING.
Honda\Acura isn't the easiest to deal with sometimes when it comes to stuff like this but keep at it. Car should still be covered
 

pauldun170

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One quart to 1K miles is not that bad, normal no, but the motor is a machine. I have had new engines in boats that used one quart in 10 running hours and that was not bad enough to have warranty repairs.
Oil is cheap engines are not.
If it bugs you that much....TRADE IT!!!

This

don't like it...trade it in.

The worst oil burner I had to deal with was an Isuzu with a 3.2. It would burn 1qt every 1100miles unless the PCV valve was older than one year. then it would burn a qt every 500 miles. Except for the oil burn...130K+ miles trouble free driving.
Our Mazda6 burns at about a qt every 3K-4K
My Kawasaki burned oil up until about 30K then it stopped. Engine finally broke in I guess.
My Honda is just starting to burn oil at about 11K but the CBR1K is notorious for oil burning.
 

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You can probably buy a scanner yourself that will give you an oil pressure history.
 

phucheneh

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If there is oil on the dipstick at all, it is highly unlikely that your oil pressure light will come on, assuming everything else is normal. The full mark on your dipstick is where it should be after draining and refilling to spec. Should be 4.5 quarts or so on the 4cyl; not sure of the exact number on that. Some manufacturers will state that the car should sit for an arbitrary amount of time before the oil will actually hit the full mark, but I've never known Honda to be like that.

Bottom line is one quart low. Below that, there is absolutely no standard for graduation. If there is one inch between the 'full' and 'quart low' marks, you can't simply say that two inches will equal two quarts.

Beyond that, though, Hondas typically don't even have much below the quart low line. At 1.5 quarts low, the dipstick probably has no oil on it.

A quart low on an engine with a 4.5qt capacity should NOT cause an oil pressure light. Ever. Something is wrong, and it should concern you far more than what sounds like fairly minimal oil loss. Either that, or (no offense) you are not reading the stick correctly, and you are actually losing a ton of oil. I.e. you're getting an oil change, seeing an oil pressure light (let's call it the 'functional main/rod bearings are overrated' light) 3k later, and adding a quart of oil when you are actually, in fact, multiple quarts low.
 

RampantAndroid

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If there is oil on the dipstick at all, it is highly unlikely that your oil pressure light will come on, assuming everything else is normal. The full mark on your dipstick is where it should be after draining and refilling to spec. Should be 4.5 quarts or so on the 4cyl; not sure of the exact number on that. Some manufacturers will state that the car should sit for an arbitrary amount of time before the oil will actually hit the full mark, but I've never known Honda to be like that.

Bottom line is one quart low. Below that, there is absolutely no standard for graduation. If there is one inch between the 'full' and 'quart low' marks, you can't simply say that two inches will equal two quarts.

Beyond that, though, Hondas typically don't even have much below the quart low line. At 1.5 quarts low, the dipstick probably has no oil on it.

A quart low on an engine with a 4.5qt capacity should NOT cause an oil pressure light. Ever. Something is wrong, and it should concern you far more than what sounds like fairly minimal oil loss. Either that, or (no offense) you are not reading the stick correctly, and you are actually losing a ton of oil. I.e. you're getting an oil change, seeing an oil pressure light (let's call it the 'functional main/rod bearings are overrated' light) 3k later, and adding a quart of oil when you are actually, in fact, multiple quarts low.

I always read after the car has been sitting for a while. If it is below halfway between the top and bottom marks, I add oil. I changed my oil at 43015. I'm at 44-something now, and am a little below the top mark. This was one day before the pressure/level light came on. So this isn't about the oil level anymore - while I AM burning oil, it's about either a faulty sensor (what Acura keeps saying) or a faulty pump....Acura is getting the car on Monday again and wants to keep it for a week or so it sounds like. This is their last chance before I escalate it to corporate and go a bit crazy on them. I've talked to both service and retail managers and gotten nowhere.
 

phucheneh

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Are you hearing anything strange? A legit low oil pressure light will often go hand in hand with valvetrain clatter. The pressure sensor is most always towards the bottom of the engine, so if you have pressure low enough to trip the switch there, you generally have something close to total oil starvation at the top.

If nothing seems strange except for the light switching on, I would guess the oil level is a red herring here. Turning the car off and adding oil may fix it, but it might simply be the 'turning the car off' part that is ridding you of the light.
 

RampantAndroid

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Are you hearing anything strange? A legit low oil pressure light will often go hand in hand with valvetrain clatter. The pressure sensor is most always towards the bottom of the engine, so if you have pressure low enough to trip the switch there, you generally have something close to total oil starvation at the top.

If nothing seems strange except for the light switching on, I would guess the oil level is a red herring here. Turning the car off and adding oil may fix it, but it might simply be the 'turning the car off' part that is ridding you of the light.

Sorry - I guess I wasn't clear - the light goes away within seconds of coming on, usually. No need to turn the car off and back on. SOmetimes it'll flash back on again a little later. I usually stop the car ASAP and check to make sure all is still in order and keep driving since the light isn't staying on.

No funny noises at all.
 

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Can you get a mechanic to ride with you and show him? Is it predictable enough to do that?
 
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your dealer sucks.. you need a new dealer.

1. Talk to acura concierge, write a letter too explaining that this is a problem.
2. Get the dealer to do a boroscope check
3. If under warranty they should cover it. My dealer has been nothing but good to me.
 

RampantAndroid

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Can you get a mechanic to ride with you and show him? Is it predictable enough to do that?

I wish it was predictable. It's quite the opposite. Sometimes I won't see it for weeks. Sometimes, weekly. This is the first time I know it's happened with the oil near the top of the dipstick.

your dealer sucks.. you need a new dealer.

1. Talk to acura concierge, write a letter too explaining that this is a problem.
2. Get the dealer to do a boroscope check
3. If under warranty they should cover it. My dealer has been nothing but good to me.

The next dealer is a bit more of a drive. Though I guess Honda dealers can also do the work. I fully intend to write a letter pending what they come up with next week.
 
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question: how many miles on that engine. I have 113K on my 2009 TSX. I havent had much of a oil burn issue but i had brake issues and blow speaker issues.
 

RampantAndroid

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question: how many miles on that engine. I have 113K on my 2009 TSX. I havent had much of a oil burn issue but i had brake issues and blow speaker issues.

44k. It started having these issues at 30k or so. What brake issues? Back brakes wearing too fast?
 

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i had the back brakes wearing too fast on my accord. i just ended up getting a pair of akebonos and not going to use oem pads for this car. Also, my car started burning about a quart every oil change at around 70k miles. honda (or any other mfr) is not going to do anything about it and unfortunately we're going to have to just live with it. even though it burns oil the engine is still butter smooth.
 

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RampantAndroid

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i had the back brakes wearing too fast on my accord. i just ended up getting a pair of akebonos and not going to use oem pads for this car. Also, my car started burning about a quart every oil change at around 70k miles. honda (or any other mfr) is not going to do anything about it and unfortunately we're going to have to just live with it. even though it burns oil the engine is still butter smooth.

Acura WILL do something since I have a warning light. Light means something wrong. I'm seriously tempted to tell Acura that if they think nothing is wrong, to give me kelley blue book for it right there. Anything to get away from Honda at this point.

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