You get nearly perfect scaling for CUDA programs that don’t require a whole lot of inter-process communication, which is a fairly large set.
Even if it were 3x the performance, price, and power output as the 3090 Ti, the fact that you can't actually achieve 3x 3090 Ti performance even if you owned three 3090 Ti (i.e. SLI is dead, and even if it were alive you don't get perfect scaling) means that it is in a performance class of its own, and so someone who demands the most performance at any cost would actually pay $5000 for a RTX 4090 Uber. Heck, they'd likely be willing to pay 4 or even 5x the price of the RTX 3090 Ti.
You get nearly perfect scaling for CUDA programs that don’t require a whole lot of inter-process communication, which is a fairly large set.
So to make it simple. When will we hear you bought AMD?I thought that's what you meant when you compared 3 cards to a single new one. I can promise you if a 19 year old mouth foamy gamer has a credit card with $5,001 of room on it and that 4090Ti costs $5000 out the door with shipping, that kid is buying that card and Nvidia damn well knows it. Nvidia simply has to balance the cost of segmenting and marketing a new tier of card vs how many mouth foamers will borrow money to get it. You buying one for work is the exception, not the rule. The high Vram makes it like a cheap Quadro or something for certain applications that aren't dependent on specialized drivers.
Nvidia is practically in a monopolistic position in terms of market share. Most gamers simply won't buy AMD. It's not even an option for them, no matter how hard Nvidia continues to ream them each new gen. If gamers want to game, they will pay the higher prices or simply get nothing. I'm hoping Nvidia makes a huge mistake and either delays the 4000 series, prices it way too high, or both. I want to see everyone either buy AMD or a used GPU instead. Charging $1200+ for a 3080Ti when the same card with 2GB less ram cost basically half the price is enough for me to wish for their demise. The 3080 was unavailable, so instead of making more, they added 2GB and doubled the price. This justifies coordinated behavior on the part of gamers so they can act in a collective manner for better valued products.
There should be a consumer's union of sorts that issues recommendations to buy a product based on historical pricing and value, or not buy it. I feel about Nvidia the way I did about Intel when they charged $700 for 6 slow cores or $400 for 4 faster ones for more than a decade. All I wanted was for Intel to burn. They almost seemed to intentionally frustrate and abuse the consumer, as if to punish them for being in the position of eating off their master's plate. The time has come to storm the stables, take the cattle and corn, spill the hot soup in our master's lap before trapping them inside and BURNING THAT PLACE TO THE GROUND!
So to make it simple. When will we hear you bought AMD?
Define "delay"? The rumor mill says that the 4060/4070/4080 aren't launching this year, so what window of opportunity are we talking about here? One can argue that the non-AD102 dies are launching >3 months after the 4090 are launching is a form of delay. When's the last time we got a 3 month gap between the xx80 and xx90 tier SKUs? Heck, when's the last time we've seen Nvidia just launch one SKU at the beginning of a new generation?When it's confirmed that Nvidia either delays the 4060/4070/4080, announces them with a price hike, or both. I will either buy AMD or used. What's the alternative? An $800 4070 a year from now?
I thought that's what you meant when you compared 3 cards to a single new one. I can promise you if a 19 year old mouth foamy gamer has a credit card with $5,001 of room on it and that 4090Ti costs $5000 out the door with shipping, that kid is buying that card and Nvidia damn well knows it. Nvidia simply has to balance the cost of segmenting and marketing a new tier of card vs how many mouth foamers will borrow money to get it. You buying one for work is the exception, not the rule. The high Vram makes it like a cheap Quadro or something for certain applications that aren't dependent on specialized drivers.
Nvidia is practically in a monopolistic position in terms of market share. Most gamers simply won't buy AMD. It's not even an option for them, no matter how hard Nvidia continues to ream them each new gen. If gamers want to game, they will pay the higher prices or simply get nothing. I'm hoping Nvidia makes a huge mistake and either delays the 4000 series, prices it way too high, or both. I want to see everyone either buy AMD or a used GPU instead. Charging $1200+ for a 3080Ti when the same card with 2GB less ram cost basically half the price is enough for me to wish for their demise. The 3080 was unavailable, so instead of making more, they added 2GB and doubled the price. This justifies coordinated behavior on the part of gamers so they can act in a collective manner for better valued products.
There should be a consumer's union of sorts that issues recommendations to buy a product based on historical pricing and value, or not buy it. I feel about Nvidia the way I did about Intel when they charged $700 for 6 slow cores or $400 for 4 faster ones for more than a decade. All I wanted was for Intel to burn. They almost seemed to intentionally frustrate and abuse the consumer, as if to punish them for being in the position of eating off their master's plate. The time has come to storm the stables, take the cattle and corn, spill the hot soup in our master's lap before trapping them inside and BURNING THAT PLACE TO THE GROUND!
Hmmmm. Why isn't there a better option?The reason we should all be thrilled about Intel entering the market (and hopefully Imageneon), is that nvidia has far too much pricing power, agreed. At least unlike Intel back in 2008-2016 they give us large gen on gen improvements for those stupid prices. They ahould be ashamed to charge 1750 (rumored price for 4090) for a “prosumer” part with gimped fp64. The 3090 is an amazing part, but the price is absurd. I only paid it because there wasn't a better option.
Because no AMD part supports CUDAHmmmm. Why isn't there a better option?
So you want Intel and AMD to challenge Nvidia prices so that you can continue buying the only brand on the market with CUDA support?!Because no AMD part supports CUDA
So you want Intel and AMD to challenge Nvidia prices so that you can continue buying the only brand on the market with CUDA support?!
You're a captive customer mate, lower prices on consumer products won't help you. Think of the 4090 as a free card with a $2k CUDA licensing attached.
Are you sure about that?The 3090 and other prosumer cards are priced to reflect their position compared to competition. Not everyone cares about Cuda support.
They’re replacement Titans. Prosumer cards. Most people buying these are using them for Cuda (or mining).
Let's be fair now. The words were "most" & "not everyone".Are you sure about that?
Are you sure about that?
NVIDIA announces SIGGRAPH 2022 Special Address with CEO Jensen Huang on August 9th - VideoCardz.com
Jensen is back NVIDIA will host a Special Address at SIGGRAPH 2022. The CEO Jensen Huang and NVIDIA senior leadership will take part in a Special Address on August 9th. The event is planned as part of the SIGGRAPH 2022 (Special Interest Group on Computer Graphics and Interactive Techniques), an...videocardz.com
Jensen is giving a keynote at SIGGRAPH (August 7th). Maybe he will tease the 4090 then.
The oven is not enough any more.
The way the rumors about TDP have been going and it seems like their cards will draw as much power as an oven. May even have to unplug the oven to plug in to the 240V socket!
This thread is a self-licking ice cream cone. Court jesters abound.
Maybe they will pull a stunt where a helicopter will throw a hook into a volcano and pull it out.