Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[Saylick]

76 SM vs 70 SM is not a lot, true, but these SM are more powerful and clockspeed will be also significantly higher.

I'm not sure how much IPC gain we'll see with the new SMs tbh. The SM architecture number is incremental and not a new version number if I remember correctly, and as some people have pointed out, the warp scheduler does not appear to be wider to execute concurrently over all three FP + FP + INT banks; it's still 32 thread/clock issue if I'm not mistaken, so the theoretical max throughput is identical. Where we might see gains is data transfers, which translates into less execution bubbles.

Giving the SM a 10% IPC gain, AD103 is probably 60-70% faster than the 3080.

1.1 IPC x 1.4 clocks x 1.086 SMs = 1.672

 

[Mopetar]

I suspect memory bandwidth is still going to be an issue.

Worth reminding that the 4080 (as it stands) is only 8% more SMs than the 3080 12 GB.

It really depends on how effective the cache is. Cache is on an order of magnitude faster than having to go out to memory, and we've already seen that AMD was able to utilize that approach themselves.

 

[jpiniero]

Looks like Ada will be announced at GTC on September 20th. The actual release date of the 4090 is still up in the air I bet... but I'll say 3 weeks after.

 

[moonbogg]

Looks like Ada will be announced at GTC on September 20th. The actual release date of the 4090 is still up in the air I bet... but I'll say 3 weeks after.

Nice. So 2 grand it is?

 

[Saylick]

Nice. So 2 grand it is?

lol, I would hope not. Probably $1500 tops.

 

[DooKey]

lol, I would hope not. Probably $1500 tops.

I'm going with $1399.

 

[Karnak]

Above 3090 but below 3090Ti. Going with $1699 here.

 

[Frenetic Pony]

Above 3090 but below 3090Ti. Going with $1699 here.

I wonder how much it'll cost outside the US. The whole currency flux/inflation thing is already moving prices around EG PS5 just got more expensive everywhere but the US. Probably because the Yen is now worth less compared to the dollar than before, so even with inflation profit margins for a Japanese company might remain relatively steady for sales coming from the US; but as elsewhere has also fallen versus the dollar in tandem(ish) they get price increases as well.

Still, Nvidia is a US company. So with inflation they'll probably charge a bit more than previous here. Unfortunately for everyone else that means they'll charge even more elsewhere.

 

[Stuka87]

The 3090 FE was $1499. I highly doubt the 4090 will undercut that at all. I expect it to be the same price, but wont be surprised if its higher.

 

[CP5670]

I'm expecting $2000 for the 4090, would be surprised if it's less than that if it's the only card being released. Due to inflation $1500 back then is more like $1700 now, and it seems like a huge step forward from any current cards.

 

[Kaluan]

I'm expecting $2000 for the 4090, would be surprised if it's less than that if it's the only card being released. Due to inflation $1500 back then is more like $1700 now, and it seems like a huge step forward from any current cards.

That's what they said about the 3000 series as well (and it was misleading at best). But we'll see I guess.

 

[moonbogg]

I'm expecting $2000 for the 4090, would be surprised if it's less than that if it's the only card being released. Due to inflation $1500 back then is more like $1700 now, and it seems like a huge step forward from any current cards.

I agree. The 4000 series will be faster, so should also be more expensive by default. Then with inflation, add more to the price as well because inflation means people's money is worth less so Nvidia has to charge more, but people also have more to spend of course, so it balances out fine. So the 4080 would have been maybe $1000, but with inflation, an appropriate price that gamers will accept is more like $1500. The 4090 should have a baseline of around $2200, which is what the AIB 3090ti's cost and this will be much faster, so a good value in comparison. 4070 should come in around $850. Next gen for the 5000 series, just take all these prices and add 50%. Repeat again with 6000 series.

 

[maddie]

I agree. The 4000 series will be faster, so should also be more expensive by default. Then with inflation, add more to the price as well because inflation means people's money is worth less so Nvidia has to charge more, but people also have more to spend of course, so it balances out fine. So the 4080 would have been maybe $1000, but with inflation, an appropriate price that gamers will accept is more like $1500. The 4090 should have a baseline of around $2200, which is what the AIB 3090ti's cost and this will be much faster, so a good value in comparison. 4070 should come in around $850. Next gen for the 5000 series, just take all these prices and add 50%. Repeat again with 6000 series.

At that rate, 50% every 2 yrs/gen, $10,000 by 2030?

 

[Saylick]

At that rate, 50% every 2 yrs/gen, $10,000 by 2030?

"The more you buy [now], the more you save." - JHH

That's how inflation works, right? Guys??

 

[moonbogg]

At that rate, 50% every 2 yrs/gen, $10,000 by 2030?

As far as I'm concerned $2000 for a GPU might as well be $10,000. So yeah, I say they go for it. Seems to be Nvidia's trajectory on pricing anyway. What really confuses me is that people will actually pay for it, lol.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

As far as I'm concerned $2000 for a GPU might as well be $10,000. So yeah, I say they go for it. Seems to be Nvidia's trajectory on pricing anyway. What really confuses me is that people will actually pay for it, lol.

- I'm sitting here looking to double the performance of my 6 yo 980ti for $300 and there are dudes out there moving from a $2000 3090 to a $2000 4090 in a two year span. I just don't get it man.

 

[psolord]

- I'm sitting here looking to double the performance of my 6 yo 980ti for $300 and there are dudes out there moving from a $2000 3090 to a $2000 4090 in a two year span. I just don't get it man.

What? You are complaining about a mere 2000$ for the best of the best? The answer is simple my friend.

Spoiler

Also you are a leftist for complaining about prices. There!

 

[blackangus]

With inflation most people cant pay those prices, nor even the prices that were paid recently.
What drives upgrades is more performance at =< price. We all have less disposable income than we had two years ago, that make an upgrade look less enticing from the start.
Add to that significant price increases and that could be a large drop in demand.
Not to mention this supposed scarcity and massively inflated prices, but now there is some how a massive inventory?
That trick will get old real quick. If that happens again.... Ill just stay happy with what I have for a long time until there is something that is a good value proposition for me.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

What? You are complaining about a mere 2000$ for the best of the best? The answer is simple my friend.

Spoiler

Also you are a leftist for complaining about prices. There!

- That's the funny thing. I'm not even remotely close to poor. I've just never been the kind of guy that's ever done the "just because its a hobby means I can throw all good sense and reason out the window" kind of guy.

I know plenty of guys that will spend any price on their hobbies "because its a hobby" and it drives me nuts. It's also a good source of barely used second hand stuff, so I guess it works out.

If prices slowly rising so that folks don't notice it is boiling the frog, then we're deep in a throwing the lobster into an already boiling pot tail first situation here.

 

[amenx]

PC hardware is a cheap hobby compared to other hobbies. Get into high end audio and the sky is the limit.

 

[biostud]

PC hardware is a cheap hobby compared to other hobbies. Get into high end audio and the sky is the limit.

True, you can buy cables that alone will cost more than a highend computer.

 

[Aapje]

PC hardware is a cheap hobby compared to other hobbies. Get into high end audio and the sky is the limit.

You think that high end audio is expensive! Try yachting!

OK, I don't actually yacht, but I cycle past big yachts now and then. I liked the one that had the same paint as the owner's Mercedes and looked a bit like a submarine.

 

[biostud]

You think that high end audio is expensive! Try yachting!

OK, I don't actually yacht, but I cycle past big yachts now and then. I liked the one that had the same paint as the owner's Mercedes and looked a bit like a submarine.

Or space flight

 

[moonbogg]

Yes, the prices of GPUs should absolutely mirror what billionaires and celebrities consider expensive. So RTX 4090 at least $5 million. "Well, compared to private island renovations this thing is basically freeeee"

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti & RTX 4060 get first rumored performance claims

Specs are supposedly:

I personally like RTX 4070 from RTX 40 series based on leaked specs and performance.