Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

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fleshconsumed

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Honestly, I think I prefer the original. I get that path tracing looks cool, but it completely ruins the mood. Ravenholm is supposed to be dreadful frightful place. It's supposed to be dark and scary. Putting lights everywhere to show off the cool new technology for the sake of technology is not the right way to go about it.
 

biostud

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Honestly, I think I prefer the original. I get that path tracing looks cool, but it completely ruins the mood. Ravenholm is supposed to be dreadful frightful place. It's supposed to be dark and scary. Putting lights everywhere to show off the cool new technology for the sake of technology is not the right way to go about it.
Since this is purely a tech demo, the level artists would manually tune the intensity of the light sources to get the right mood if used in the final game.
 
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I wonder when Doom 3 and Quake 4 are getting the RTX treatment. I would really prefer if AMD one-upped Nvidia there with much performant hybrid raytracing.
 
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PJVol

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4060ti $450 ~ 3070
 
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Timmah!

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So without NVlink on RTX 4000, i presume there is no way to use 2 cards for not even 3D mark? I mean, AMD cards did not have any bridge anyway for Crossfire to work. And 3D Mark seems to allow you to run it even on the card, thats not display adapter, it just warns about the limits of PCI-Express, if you choose so. But no way to force it to use both cards at once?

Happy to report Octanebench, the actual important thing and reason to go with 2 GPUs for me, works as expected. Score over 2600, when single 3090 in my older rig scored 650.
 

Mopetar

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With only 8 GB of VRAM, I don't see this doing well at $450. Particularly if the 4070 sees continued rebates. At $450 this has 74% of the cores for 75% of the cost so there's already little reason to prefer it to a 4070 at the $600 MSRP.

This will likely lose to the 6750 XT in newer titles where 8 GB isn't enough. Maybe even the 6700 XT as well. 3060 has beat far better NVidia cards in similar situations where 8 GB was insufficient.
 

Heartbreaker

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With only 8 GB of VRAM, I don't see this doing well at $450. Particularly if the 4070 sees continued rebates. At $450 this has 74% of the cores for 75% of the cost so there's already little reason to prefer it to a 4070 at the $600 MSRP.

This will likely lose to the 6750 XT in newer titles where 8 GB isn't enough. Maybe even the 6700 XT as well. 3060 has beat far better NVidia cards in similar situations where 8 GB was insufficient.

While I think the hysteria over 8GB is overblown, I agree that going forward $400+ 8GB cards are over.

The 8GB 4060 non Ti is fine though, and will no doubt be up against the AMD 7600 versions that are also 8GB.

If looking at the 4060 Ti at $450, I'd either: go lower to the sub $400 4060, go higher for the 4070, or go AMD.
 

Timmah!

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I noticed the memory temps on my Suprim Liquid X during Octanebench run oscillate between 90 and 92C. Is that too much? If yes, is there anything i can do to solve it?
 

aigomorla

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Who didn't see this coming.
Who here really thinks the current price of video cards is reflective of its real value.
Espeically when games are being launched all broken and buggy as hell, that even a 4090 has trouble running it straight off the port.
 

DooKey

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Who didn't see this coming.
Who here really thinks the current price of video cards is reflective of its real value.
Espeically when games are being launched all broken and buggy as hell, that even a 4090 has trouble running it straight off the port.
Hmmmm, WTFtech.com. Let's wait and see what happens. Just saying.
 

NTMBK

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Who didn't see this coming.
Who here really thinks the current price of video cards is reflective of its real value.
Espeically when games are being launched all broken and buggy as hell, that even a 4090 has trouble running it straight off the port.
Nvidia need to get off their cryptomining high. Those prices were way overinflated, and need to come back down to earth. (Sorry, investors!)
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Nvidia need to get off their cryptomining high. Those prices were way overinflated, and need to come back down to earth. (Sorry, investors!)
Problem is it has already set new baselines for price that will never go away. Just like crypto did last time in 2018, which let Nvidia move their really low end crap like the 1660 to the $230 price point and put the very lowest part of the midrange (RTX 2060) at $350.
 

Ajay

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Problem is it has already set new baselines for price that will never go away. Just like crypto did last time in 2018, which let Nvidia move their really low end crap like the 1660 to the $230 price point and put the very lowest part of the midrange (RTX 2060) at $350.
Yep. And people are buying enough for NV to just leave the prices as is. Fat profit margins are making up the difference in reduced sales - and investors really like high gross profit margins.
 

Dribble

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Nvidia need to get off their cryptomining high. Those prices were way overinflated, and need to come back down to earth. (Sorry, investors!)
Look at the Nvidia share price - it's off the chart right now because of AI. I don't think Nvidia investors (who are the people who own the company) are that worried about desktop right now.
 
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jpiniero

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Aapje

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Problem is it has already set new baselines for price that will never go away. Just like crypto did last time in 2018, which let Nvidia move their really low end crap like the 1660 to the $230 price point and put the very lowest part of the midrange (RTX 2060) at $350.
Nvidia can still give us more for the same price.
 

Heartbreaker

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nVidia may be planning on doing a clamshell 4060 Ti? Let me guess, it'd be $579.

I remember a lot of rumors of things like 3070 16GB and 3080 20 GB, that never materialized. Wouldn't hold my breath on that 16GB model.

4060 Ti 8GB for the rumored $450, seems like a really bad place to be. Better off making it a 16GB $500, and leave 8GB to the regular 4060 for $350.
 

Aapje

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I remember a lot of rumors of things like 3070 16GB and 3080 20 GB, that never materialized.
Hardware unboxed said that they got told directly by an AIB that they were testing a 16 GB 3070 and we know for a fact that MSI sold 20 GB 3080's to miners (most likely a test run that they didn't want to let collect dust in their warehouse when they could sell it to miners for big money).

So it might have been a very last minute decision to gimp the VRAM on those cards.
 

Heartbreaker

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The gap between the 8 and the 16 has to be more than 50 bucks.

That assumes they need the 8GB version to cost $450, and that they will still offer that version. I'm saying it would have been better to kill the 8GB version, lower margin a bit, and only have the 16GB 4060 Ti version. 8GB relegated down to the regular 4060.
 

jpiniero

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Hardware unboxed said that they got told directly by an AIB that they were testing a 16 GB 3070 and we know for a fact that MSI sold 20 GB 3080's to miners (most likely a test run that they didn't want to let collect dust in their warehouse when they could sell it to miners for big money).

So it might have been a very last minute decision to gimp the VRAM on those cards.

Again, those would have been 2 GB chips. When the products were originally released, 2 GB GDDR6X didn't exist.

Clamshell is an entirely different bag of worms.
 

Aapje

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The gap between the 8 and the 16 has to be more than 50 bucks.
My guess is:
- 4060 Ti 16 GB for $499, which creates the same $100 gap to the 4070, as existed between the 3070 Ti and 3070.
- 4060 Ti 8 GB DOA edition for $429
- 4060 720p edition for $359

A $50 gap does seem a bit small, but a $100 gap seems too big. It also wouldn't leave enough room for a 4060 price increase.
 
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